Anonymous wrote:
It is called a "false choice" not a "false dilemma" PP.

And what I wrote (clearly) is that the occupation is moving toward a degreed position. Of course you will still find the majority of nannies simply being a babysitter but that is no longer sufficient for the educated parent.

Obviously our nanny could have been "wrong" for us but I would not have sought out an undocumented $12 an hour nanny because an MA/former teacher didn't work out -- anymore than I would seek medical treatment from an auto mechanic if my doctor misdiagnosed me. I would seek another MD.

Choose as you wish, PP - no one is stopping you. I am simply reporting my opinion and observations.

Have a nice weekend.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like anything else, when you see what you want,
you'll pay what it takes... assuming you can afford her.

Just like anything else, most people simply can't afford the best, and you settle for what you can afford.

Sound familiar?

If most people can't afford the best, then the best has priced itself out of its market, and there is simply not enough demand for it. There is a reason Vertu will never be a market share leader.

Good snapshot of ignorance.

Better snapshot of meaningless posing.

You're just mad that others can afford a better nanny than you can.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like anything else, when you see what you want,
you'll pay what it takes... assuming you can afford her.

Just like anything else, most people simply can't afford the best, and you settle for what you can afford.

Sound familiar?

If most people can't afford the best, then the best has priced itself out of its market, and there is simply not enough demand for it. There is a reason Vertu will never be a market share leader.

Good snapshot of ignorance.

Better snapshot of meaningless posing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the above PP:

Mother have been screwing up children since time began as well. Is this a characteristic you want in a caregiver who doesn't even have the biological imperative to keep the child alive as the natural mother does?

Are these the only two options available in the world? Someone who screws the kid up OR an ECD degree holder? There's nothing else in between? Setting up a false dilemma, are you?

Anonymous wrote:
I honestly see no reason in some MB's (or trolls) constant need to put down the women we employ to care for our children.

That's because you see a putdown where none is intended. It's not a putdown to say Job X does not require specialized education. Not having a specialized degree is also not a barrier to being cherished and valued by an employer.

Anonymous wrote:
I hired a woman who was a preschool teacher and has a masters degree in Early Childhood Development for my child. Yes, her rate was more than the undocumented nannies who were a full $10 dollars an hour cheaper but I wanted more for my kid than just a body to protect his body when I was at work.

And with all these accoutrements, she still could have been wrong for you in many, many ways. An ECD degree is not a guarantee of good nannying. And absence of one is not a guarantee of bad one, either.

Anonymous wrote:

English is not my first language, so yes, my English is a little bit rusty and don't like to prove read. But thanks because I would try to reread what I write to better my writing.

However, I speak 3 languages: French, Spanish and English. How about You? can we communicate in my native language?

By that way I start to learn English when I was 23 years old and still do, where studies have shown that I, always would be having some deficiency on a new language that I learn. So, your comment about my English is irrelevant. Instead is a distraction of the main point that Good Nannies Need to be experience and skilful to nurture children growth.

I agree that mothers raise their children without training or qualification but mothers become researchers and learn what they don't now on how to help their children grow. I'm a mother who often attend workshop and others sources on how to be a better parents and help my children to do their best. As we become more experience, our children strive better.

Anonymous wrote:To the above PP:

Mother have been screwing up children since time began as well. Is this a characteristic you want in a caregiver who doesn't even have the biological imperative to keep the child alive as the natural mother does?

Anonymous wrote:
I honestly see no reason in some MB's (or trolls) constant need to put down the women we employ to care for our children.

Anonymous wrote:
I hired a woman who was a preschool teacher and has a masters degree in Early Childhood Development for my child. Yes, her rate was more than the undocumented nannies who were a full $10 dollars an hour cheaper but I wanted more for my kid than just a body to protect his body when I was at work.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I interviewed a LOT of nannies, at a wide range of pay requests, and never encountered any with the "special training" people allude to on here. I am curious what this special training is. I have heard of nanny training centers in Britain but not here. A few short courses here and there doesn't seem like special training to me.

Anyway, for the OP, we found a nanny we are very happy with who charges $15/hour for one family and $20/hour for two. I was not more impressed with nannies who requested more (some of them much more!), and this was after paid trial periods. I found that nannies charging less than $15/hour were generally at a lower skill level, but that is not meant as an insult to anyone making less as I am sure there is variation across areas.

I’m THE OP,
I don’t agree that caregivers don’t need “specialized skills, experience and qualification to nurture, guide and promote healthy grow to little people whom are inexperience individuals. They need guidance and support to help them strive for a higher levels of development.
But according to what you wrote, a caregiver just need to be a person that don’t have training or experience to nurture any developmental skills to a child, then why is pet trainer need to have special skills and training about different breed? Also why is Zoo keeper need to be train to care for wile animals, bees keeper do the same and even gardener need special train and skills on trees and flowers.
Our children need the same an experience care giver that know how to nurture healthy grow, attentive to children needs, fallow parents subjections, keep children save, fallow a stablish routines.
Not investing in higher quality child care for a child could result in a downfall not only for parents that may need to pay+$ to an occupational therapist for help a child to develop physical and cognitively but also for the child who can fall behind developmentally.
PS: Children with special needs attend section of therapies such as speech, occupational therapy, behaviors therapy and so far. However, their caregiver should be experience and nurture to help them strive.

Leaving aside the issue of absolutely atrocious English skills you displayed in your post....this is where you are mistaken.

Mothers have been raising children, without special training and skills, for milennia. Somehow, the sum total of knowledge and experience one needed to raise healthy children was passed around without mandatory education requirements.

Your comparison with the pet trainer is unwarranted because nannies aren't trying to teach the child anything that's unnatural to them. I also don't think you're getting very far with your zoo keeper comparison - what is it that they do beyond cleaning cages? again, keeping wild animals in the zoo is unnatural - unlike raising human children.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I interviewed a LOT of nannies, at a wide range of pay requests, and never encountered any with the "special training" people allude to on here. I am curious what this special training is. I have heard of nanny training centers in Britain but not here. A few short courses here and there doesn't seem like special training to me.

Anyway, for the OP, we found a nanny we are very happy with who charges $15/hour for one family and $20/hour for two. I was not more impressed with nannies who requested more (some of them much more!), and this was after paid trial periods. I found that nannies charging less than $15/hour were generally at a lower skill level, but that is not meant as an insult to anyone making less as I am sure there is variation across areas.

English is not my first language, so yes, my English is a little bit rusty and don't like to prove read. But thanks because I would try to reread what I write to better my writing.

However, I speak 3 languages: French, Spanish and English. How about You? can we communicate in my native language?

By that way I start to learn English when I was 23 years old and still do, where studies have shown that I, always would be having some deficiency on a new language that I learn. So, your comment about my English is irrelevant. Instead is a distraction of the main point that Good Nannies Need to be experience and skilful to nurture children growth.

I agree that mothers raise their children without training or qualification but mothers become researchers and learn what they don't now on how to help their children grow. I'm a mother who often attend workshop and others sources on how to be a better parents and help my children to do their best. As we become more experience, our children strive better.

I’m THE OP,
I don’t agree that caregivers don’t need “specialized skills, experience and qualification to nurture, guide and promote healthy grow to little people whom are inexperience individuals. They need guidance and support to help them strive for a higher levels of development.
But according to what you wrote, a caregiver just need to be a person that don’t have training or experience to nurture any developmental skills to a child, then why is pet trainer need to have special skills and training about different breed? Also why is Zoo keeper need to be train to care for wile animals, bees keeper do the same and even gardener need special train and skills on trees and flowers.
Our children need the same an experience care giver that know how to nurture healthy grow, attentive to children needs, fallow parents subjections, keep children save, fallow a stablish routines.
Not investing in higher quality child care for a child could result in a downfall not only for parents that may need to pay+$ to an occupational therapist for help a child to develop physical and cognitively but also for the child who can fall behind developmentally.
PS: Children with special needs attend section of therapies such as speech, occupational therapy, behaviors therapy and so far. However, their caregiver should be experience and nurture to help them strive.

Leaving aside the issue of absolutely atrocious English skills you displayed in your post....this is where you are mistaken.

Mothers have been raising children, without special training and skills, for milennia. Somehow, the sum total of knowledge and experience one needed to raise healthy children was passed around without mandatory education requirements.

Your comparison with the pet trainer is unwarranted because nannies aren't trying to teach the child anything that's unnatural to them. I also don't think you're getting very far with your zoo keeper comparison - what is it that they do beyond cleaning cages? again, keeping wild animals in the zoo is unnatural - unlike raising human children.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I interviewed a LOT of nannies, at a wide range of pay requests, and never encountered any with the "special training" people allude to on here. I am curious what this special training is. I have heard of nanny training centers in Britain but not here. A few short courses here and there doesn't seem like special training to me.

Anyway, for the OP, we found a nanny we are very happy with who charges $15/hour for one family and $20/hour for two. I was not more impressed with nannies who requested more (some of them much more!), and this was after paid trial periods. I found that nannies charging less than $15/hour were generally at a lower skill level, but that is not meant as an insult to anyone making less as I am sure there is variation across areas.

I’m THE OP,
I don’t agree that caregivers don’t need “specialized skills, experience and qualification to nurture, guide and promote healthy grow to little people whom are inexperience individuals. They need guidance and support to help them strive for a higher levels of development.
But according to what you wrote, a caregiver just need to be a person that don’t have training or experience to nurture any developmental skills to a child, then why is pet trainer need to have special skills and training about different breed? Also why is Zoo keeper need to be train to care for wile animals, bees keeper do the same and even gardener need special train and skills on trees and flowers.
Our children need the same an experience care giver that know how to nurture healthy grow, attentive to children needs, fallow parents subjections, keep children save, fallow a stablish routines.
Not investing in higher quality child care for a child could result in a downfall not only for parents that may need to pay+$ to an occupational therapist for help a child to develop physical and cognitively but also for the child who can fall behind developmentally.
PS: Children with special needs attend section of therapies such as speech, occupational therapy, behaviors therapy and so far. However, their caregiver should be experience and nurture to help them strive.

Anonymous wrote:I interviewed a LOT of nannies, at a wide range of pay requests, and never encountered any with the "special training" people allude to on here. I am curious what this special training is. I have heard of nanny training centers in Britain but not here. A few short courses here and there doesn't seem like special training to me.

Anyway, for the OP, we found a nanny we are very happy with who charges $15/hour for one family and $20/hour for two. I was not more impressed with nannies who requested more (some of them much more!), and this was after paid trial periods. I found that nannies charging less than $15/hour were generally at a lower skill level, but that is not meant as an insult to anyone making less as I am sure there is variation across areas.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like anything else, when you see what you want,
you'll pay what it takes... assuming you can afford her.

Just like anything else, most people simply can't afford the best, and you settle for what you can afford.

Sound familiar?

If most people can't afford the best, then the best has priced itself out of its market, and there is simply not enough demand for it. There is a reason Vertu will never be a market share leader.

Good snapshot of ignorance.

Anonymous wrote:Nannies charge anywhere from minimum wage (or even less, as most are still getting paid off the books) up to $30 an hour.

Your average might be $20/hr, or so.

However, there's no verifiable data with pay stubs or W2s.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just like anything else, when you see what you want,
you'll pay what it takes... assuming you can afford her.

Just like anything else, most people simply can't afford the best, and you settle for what you can afford.

Sound familiar?

If most people can't afford the best, then the best has priced itself out of its market, and there is simply not enough demand for it. There is a reason Vertu will never be a market share leader.