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Anonymous wrote:OP again,

I'm kind of done with this thread. There is a Starbucks with an outdoors area with shade literally across the street she could go there with him and it under the umbrellas if shade is such a concern. She can also take him on our balcony with his toys/water table etc. None of which she chooses to do. There are options but IMO she is making excuses to not do her job. I have a full time job, I don't just hire a nanny to watch my son for the heck of it.

Ok OP, you are doing a bait and switch. You didn't say you would like the nanny to go out on the balcony. Obviously they can go in intermittently to cool off in that case. That is not the same as insisting she go bake in 90+ degree playground.

Not sure why you would want DC to just go sit at a table at Starbucks, though.

I agree with PP. OP you are now changing your story. Going to the balcony is not taking the kid out! I don't think your nanny has any problem taking your kid to the balcony, you must be lying. Have you even ever told her that taking the kid out on the balcony is the minimum thing you would like if she cannot actually go outside! I think you just assumed that your nanny (and all of us on this thread) would think that taking the kid out on the balcony was part of "taking the kid out". Why in the world hanging out with a kid at Starbucks would be any fun to your child or the nanny. It is difficult to contain a kid in public space, the best place for those types of outings are playgrounds, pools, soft gyms, even bookstores with kids area (Barnes and Nobles). Just tell the poor nanny to just take the kid out on the balcony, that's all,and let's all move on. But mind you, if your nanny ever gets a sunburn on the job, its on you, she already warned you she doesn't like hot humid days (maybe her skin doesnt take it well).

Anonymous wrote:OP again,

I'm kind of done with this thread. There is a Starbucks with an outdoors area with shade literally across the street she could go there with him and it under the umbrellas if shade is such a concern. She can also take him on our balcony with his toys/water table etc. None of which she chooses to do. There are options but IMO she is making excuses to not do her job. I have a full time job, I don't just hire a nanny to watch my son for the heck of it.

Ok OP, you are doing a bait and switch. You didn't say you would like the nanny to go out on the balcony. Obviously they can go in intermittently to cool off in that case. That is not the same as insisting she go bake in 90+ degree playground.

Not sure why you would want DC to just go sit at a table at Starbucks, though.

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Anonymous wrote:You say your nanny is only working a few hours at a time. What are those hours? This request becomes less reasonable if the hours are 12-3 instead of 8-11.

She is here from 1-4pm. So the morning outing before it gets really hot isn't an option for us. Other than the fact it is hotter at this time what else makes it less reasonable?

It's the hottest part of the day... the same reason you don't see many kids outside playing at 2pm during the summer, but tons at 6pm. Is there a reason you can't take your own child outside at 4:30?

OP here, yes because I am working! Which is why we've hired help. We are near Baltimore.

She leaves at 4:00 yet you continue working? I feel sorry for your child =(

She leaves at 4pm and his dad is home by then, you feel sorry for what? I'm still working those hours what am I expected to do? I'm confused on your statement.

OP again,

I'm kind of done with this thread. There is a Starbucks with an outdoors area with shade literally across the street she could go there with him and it under the umbrellas if shade is such a concern. She can also take him on our balcony with his toys/water table etc. None of which she chooses to do. There are options but IMO she is making excuses to not do her job. I have a full time job, I don't just hire a nanny to watch my son for the heck of it.

Anonymous wrote:Pp here: we always do our outside time before 12:30 though. I don't think it's healthy or wisedor anyone to be out during the hottest / strongest sun hours of the day. If she is there 1-4 I wouldn't take the child out either.

+1. When I was a nanny, I took the kids out from about 9am-12:30, depending on the day. We would frequently head to a park with a packed lunch when they were toddlers. We played in the shaded playground area, found somewhere to play with our bats/balls/buckets, then had lunch in the shade. The only time we were in direct sunlight for a prolonged period was if we were on the soccer field or basketball court, and never for 30 minutes at a time when it was 90+ degrees out. Then we would head home for naps. If we had outdoor time after naps, it was in the shaded yard at the house.

Ugh. I can't imagine any nanny wanting to go sit in the afternoon 90-100 degree sun, with all of the humid glory we get around here. Seriously, there is nowhere she can take your child that is shaded?

i wouldn't voluntarily go out during those hours either. If you told me to I'd wonder what fresh hell I'd entered. That is such a miserable time of day to be out, you said there's no shade and you won't let her drive anywhere to actually find shade. Nope, she doesn't need to go out then. If you're not willing to compromise on the driving, then don't expect her to compromise on the heat and lack of shade. You're nuts.

Agre with PPs. If you are taking him outside 5 days a week then these two days are not going to make or break things.

Pp here: we always do our outside time before 12:30 though. I don't think it's healthy or wisedor anyone to be out during the hottest / strongest sun hours of the day. If she is there 1-4 I wouldn't take the child out either.

I hate the heat & humidity more than anyone I've ever encountered.

I'm super pale and burn in 5 mins no matter how strong the SPF. Super temperature sensitive. Absolutely HATE living in this area from (usually) April-October.

I still take my twin toddlers outside almost (if not every) day I spend with them. (2x/week)
On the super nasty days we stay close to home- on the porch playing with bubbles/ride on toys/etc or in a park (not playground) by their house. But always outside. It comes with the territory.

OP you are being very unreasonable and actually ridiculous. This should not even be an issue. You stated that your nanny comes twice a week for about 3 hours or so (in the afternoon, at the hottest time of the day), and then you added you child takes a nap around 2/2:30 pm to 4 pm, and that there are practically no shaded area in the neighborhood for them to go, so why can't you do it after your child's nap? Or just ask the nanny to stay an hour extra, so by the time the kid wakes up, it is 4pm and she can take him out for a few minutes. You also added that she was doing it before summer, so it is not that she is unwilling to take him out, but she is bothered by the sun, and frankly I am bothered by the sun too, not only for me, but for my charge, I always worry that he will get sunburn or it is too hot when we go out during the hottest time of the day. Your nanny is doing her job by keeping your child safe and taking good care of him, so him not going out 2 days out of 7 (that is if YOU are taking him out the other 5 days of the week) won't hurt him at all. She is only there for 3 hours out of his 10 or so waking hours, you can take him out after you work, 20 minutes outside when the sun is going down, which would be a good way for you to relax too.

OP, to your nanny defense, 1-4 is the hottest time of the day. DC's nanny goes outside with him 10-12 and 4:30-6:30.

Get a new one if she doesn't enjoy the heat.

OP is also living in Baltimore, not the surface of the sun.

It is completely reasonable to expect the nanny to take the toddler outside 20-30min per week.

Just because there isn't shade doesn't make it unreasonable. Do all playgrounds have shade over every part? Because I know plenty that have almost zero shade. You bring a misting fan or splash some water on every once in a while, wear a hat, and apply sunscreen.

30 minutes is nothing. Especially when her job is a few hours twice a week.

OP says there is no shaded area for them to go to. That should have been the end of the conversation. If there is no shade and no splash pad then 30 minutes is unreasonable. I say that as a nanny who does outdoor time every day the weather is above freezing.