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Good thing nobody's forcing anyone to buy the shirt. If you don't like it, quit your yapping and don't buy it. Easy as that.

Funny, I'd have thought constructive criticism ("I don't like it because of _______") to help the creators better target their merchandise and have a successful business venture would be welcome. Silly me! I will keep saying whatever I want, PP.

F you!!

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate your reply, PP, and while I disagree that creativity is a result of nurture (I am familiar with the debate and have reached the opposite conclusion you have), I know that is not a universal opinion. Regardless, since we will probably never know either way, I'm very happy to hear your kids have been given the opportunity for a loving, stable home and the opportunity to develop their creativity.

What I would suggest though is that your children might be considered an exception to the rule, and OP's shirt idea would probably not feel quite right with most parents who do take biological credit for their kids.

Good thing nobody's forcing anyone to buy the shirt. If you don't like it, quit your yapping and don't buy it. Easy as that.

I appreciate your reply, PP, and while I disagree that creativity is a result of nurture (I am familiar with the debate and have reached the opposite conclusion you have), I know that is not a universal opinion. Regardless, since we will probably never know either way, I'm very happy to hear your kids have been given the opportunity for a loving, stable home and the opportunity to develop their creativity.

What I would suggest though is that your children might be considered an exception to the rule, and OP's shirt idea would probably not feel quite right with most parents who do take biological credit for their kids.

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Anonymous wrote: The t-shirts they are trying to sell are incredibly insulting to parents.

I think any parent who would be insulted is either incredibly insecure or full of him/herself. It's no more "insulting" than the shirts that say things like "9 out of 10 kids get their good looks from their grandmas!" or "9 out of 10 kids get their intelligence from their aunts" or "9 out of 10 kids get their kindness from their godparents." If you value your nanny, like we do, you wouldn't mind the fact that your child's personality IS strongly influenced by the nanny. My kids get their creativity from their nanny. If there was an "I get my creativity from my nanny!" shirt and she bought it for them, I wouldn't be insulted.

That said, I think all of those shirts are about as "awesome" as the "My (someone) went to (location) and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" which is why I personally wouldn't buy.

Lady, your kids get their creativity from you or their father. Your nanny is skilled at giving them the opportunity to use and develop their natural talents, but she isn't the source of them.

All but one of kids were adopted out of the foster care system, so I guess you could say they get their creativity from the crack-addicted losers who created, abused and neglected them, but we like to believe NURTURE is just as important as nature. Thanks anyway.

Yeah, they got their creativity from those losers. Truth. You are wonderful people for helping them nurture those innate talents, however, which would not have seen the light of day otherwise.

No need to be a jerk.

Sorry if you think I was being a jerk; I don't believe I was and didn't mean to come across as one.

HOWEVER, I still disagree. It's not "truth" that they got their creativity from their bio-parents. Yes, they were probably born with a least a little of it, but often environment fosters creativity as much as, if not considerably more, than anything else. Creativity is not simply something a person is born with. It is not a genetic condition, passed down from the parents. Sometimes very creative people have children who are not creative at all and sometimes people who are not creative at all have very creative children.

Look up creativity: nature versus nurture. It's very interesting. A good search brings up many interesting discussions on that subject. One site (not sure if links are permitted, but you can google) says "Few creativity skills seem to be inherited, and most seem to be learnable with training... Research on how identical and fraternal twins score on available tests of these creativity skills show that differences between the scores of identical twins on creativity tests were similar to the differences between fraternal twins. (Concordance is low.) Therefore, these creativity skills do not have a large genetic contribution."

Trust me, as discussions like this come up A LOT within my family and social circle, I've done a lot of reading on these subjects.

So I believe that my kids DO get much of, if not most of, their creativity from their nanny, who is an artist, musician, and thespian. I truly believe, if she wasn't around, they wouldn't be the creative little people they are. How else does it make sense that all of them are into art, music, and theatre, when they're not all genetically related to each other? My husband, nanny, and I are the common threads - and like I said, they're not getting it from me.

Again, I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk. I'm honestly not trying to be.

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Anonymous wrote: The t-shirts they are trying to sell are incredibly insulting to parents.

I think any parent who would be insulted is either incredibly insecure or full of him/herself. It's no more "insulting" than the shirts that say things like "9 out of 10 kids get their good looks from their grandmas!" or "9 out of 10 kids get their intelligence from their aunts" or "9 out of 10 kids get their kindness from their godparents." If you value your nanny, like we do, you wouldn't mind the fact that your child's personality IS strongly influenced by the nanny. My kids get their creativity from their nanny. If there was an "I get my creativity from my nanny!" shirt and she bought it for them, I wouldn't be insulted.

That said, I think all of those shirts are about as "awesome" as the "My (someone) went to (location) and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" which is why I personally wouldn't buy.

Lady, your kids get their creativity from you or their father. Your nanny is skilled at giving them the opportunity to use and develop their natural talents, but she isn't the source of them.

All but one of kids were adopted out of the foster care system, so I guess you could say they get their creativity from the crack-addicted losers who created, abused and neglected them, but we like to believe NURTURE is just as important as nature. Thanks anyway.

Yeah, they got their creativity from those losers. Truth. You are wonderful people for helping them nurture those innate talents, however, which would not have seen the light of day otherwise.

No need to be a jerk.

Anonymous wrote:Are you seriously STILL going on about this? Really. NO ONE cares. At all.

If no one cared, we "STILL wouldn't be going on about this".

Are you seriously STILL going on about this? Really. NO ONE cares. At all.

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Anonymous wrote: The t-shirts they are trying to sell are incredibly insulting to parents.

I think any parent who would be insulted is either incredibly insecure or full of him/herself. It's no more "insulting" than the shirts that say things like "9 out of 10 kids get their good looks from their grandmas!" or "9 out of 10 kids get their intelligence from their aunts" or "9 out of 10 kids get their kindness from their godparents." If you value your nanny, like we do, you wouldn't mind the fact that your child's personality IS strongly influenced by the nanny. My kids get their creativity from their nanny. If there was an "I get my creativity from my nanny!" shirt and she bought it for them, I wouldn't be insulted.

That said, I think all of those shirts are about as "awesome" as the "My (someone) went to (location) and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" which is why I personally wouldn't buy.

Lady, your kids get their creativity from you or their father. Your nanny is skilled at giving them the opportunity to use and develop their natural talents, but she isn't the source of them.

All but one of kids were adopted out of the foster care system, so I guess you could say they get their creativity from the crack-addicted losers who created, abused and neglected them, but we like to believe NURTURE is just as important as nature. Thanks anyway.

Schooled!

lol - Sorry (& thanks). I'm a little sensitive about stuff like that. I had a huge fight with my sister-in-law a many years ago when my oldest did something that reminded me so strongly of myself that I said "Yup! She's definitely mine!" and she actually had the audacity to say "Well, not technically."

Sorry to take it off-topic though. Carry on.

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Anonymous wrote: The t-shirts they are trying to sell are incredibly insulting to parents.

I think any parent who would be insulted is either incredibly insecure or full of him/herself. It's no more "insulting" than the shirts that say things like "9 out of 10 kids get their good looks from their grandmas!" or "9 out of 10 kids get their intelligence from their aunts" or "9 out of 10 kids get their kindness from their godparents." If you value your nanny, like we do, you wouldn't mind the fact that your child's personality IS strongly influenced by the nanny. My kids get their creativity from their nanny. If there was an "I get my creativity from my nanny!" shirt and she bought it for them, I wouldn't be insulted.

That said, I think all of those shirts are about as "awesome" as the "My (someone) went to (location) and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" which is why I personally wouldn't buy.

Lady, your kids get their creativity from you or their father. Your nanny is skilled at giving them the opportunity to use and develop their natural talents, but she isn't the source of them.

All but one of kids were adopted out of the foster care system, so I guess you could say they get their creativity from the crack-addicted losers who created, abused and neglected them, but we like to believe NURTURE is just as important as nature. Thanks anyway.

Schooled!

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Anonymous wrote: The t-shirts they are trying to sell are incredibly insulting to parents.

I think any parent who would be insulted is either incredibly insecure or full of him/herself. It's no more "insulting" than the shirts that say things like "9 out of 10 kids get their good looks from their grandmas!" or "9 out of 10 kids get their intelligence from their aunts" or "9 out of 10 kids get their kindness from their godparents." If you value your nanny, like we do, you wouldn't mind the fact that your child's personality IS strongly influenced by the nanny. My kids get their creativity from their nanny. If there was an "I get my creativity from my nanny!" shirt and she bought it for them, I wouldn't be insulted.

That said, I think all of those shirts are about as "awesome" as the "My (someone) went to (location) and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" which is why I personally wouldn't buy.

Lady, your kids get their creativity from you or their father. Your nanny is skilled at giving them the opportunity to use and develop their natural talents, but she isn't the source of them.

All but one of kids were adopted out of the foster care system, so I guess you could say they get their creativity from the crack-addicted losers who created, abused and neglected them, but we like to believe NURTURE is just as important as nature. Thanks anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:No, an analogy comparing someone liking print over online media (or vice versa) is one thing. We are not necessarily saying we DON'T like print, we are saying it is a BAD IDEA to go that route and a financial loss to do so in this day and age. Not profitable, will lose money. I love print magazines still, and buy them over digital, but there is no way I would ever tell someone in good faith that it is a smart idea for them to try and start up one of their own at this time.

What analogy comparing someone liking print over online media? What does print versus online media have to do with the aforementioned analogy (or analogies in general) which was about rudeness/mocking? I'm very confused by the first part of your comment, as it does not make any sense, unless you are A) unsure of what an analogy is, or B) unsure of what the originally posted analogy referred to. The second part of your comment DOES make sense, though, and I agree. I wouldn't tell someone I think their idea is a smart one if I did not feel that way, or if all evidence pointed to the contrary.

I'm sorry if I was confusing you. I meant that the original analogy was wrong with the conversation. It would have made sense if people were comparing liking print media (or "other genres") over online media (or "sci-fi" from your? analogy), but we weren't. The analogy about some people disliking sci-fi but you not telling them you think it is a worthless genre did not equal what we were talking about. We were not saying that the idea of gathering information was a worthless idea, we were saying the medium that was the main idea was not a good idea. Maybe you meant to bring across more about being rude with your analogy, but the whole sci-fi thing kind of overshadowed that and was really not needed. You could have just said you thought people were being rude with their comments and left it at that.

Ahh, now I see - the issue is that you've misunderstood the analogy. To clarify, the point was that it is NOT necessary to be insulting/rude when one feels something is not wonderful. Perhaps too much was being read into the analogy and the use of "sci-fi" was distracting, so, fine. I'll keep it at "a lot of these comments/commenters are incredibly rude/immature and I don't see the reason for such animosity/mocking" and leave it there.

I'm with ya, PP. Don't waste your time and energy trying to explain yourself, though, especially if your responses are going to require that the persons reading it possess intelligence and reading comprehension skills. That's unheard of 'round these parts!

FYI, I completely understood your sci-fi analogy and totally agreed with your initial, and subsequent, posts!

Anonymous wrote:Obviously, those who find the shirt offensive are insecure and have no sense of humor - it is not meant to take literally.

I'm a nanny and I find the shirts in poor taste, so I'd love for you to explain how that relates at all to any feelings of insecurity I might have.

Obviously, those who find the shirt offensive are insecure and have no sense of humor - it is not meant to take literally.

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Anonymous wrote: The t-shirts they are trying to sell are incredibly insulting to parents.

I think any parent who would be insulted is either incredibly insecure or full of him/herself. It's no more "insulting" than the shirts that say things like "9 out of 10 kids get their good looks from their grandmas!" or "9 out of 10 kids get their intelligence from their aunts" or "9 out of 10 kids get their kindness from their godparents." If you value your nanny, like we do, you wouldn't mind the fact that your child's personality IS strongly influenced by the nanny. My kids get their creativity from their nanny. If there was an "I get my creativity from my nanny!" shirt and she bought it for them, I wouldn't be insulted.

That said, I think all of those shirts are about as "awesome" as the "My (someone) went to (location) and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" which is why I personally wouldn't buy.

Lady, your kids get their creativity from you or their father. Your nanny is skilled at giving them the opportunity to use and develop their natural talents, but she isn't the source of them.