OMG, you people here are just ridiculous. You call every poster a troll. Even worse, now you are calling children stupid?

Either A this is a troll

or B. OP's child is stupid. when I was 8 if someone lied to my parents about me and it was something serious, you bet your ass I wouldn't stand there and except my punishment. I would have sang like a canary. OP, why would your child just sit there while Nanny lies like that and then go on to accept getting a spanking and toys taken.

or C. The windshield is not what was broken and it was something else but had the same after market vs factory new issue. I know this because in my posts I often change minor details like instead of saying "I have a 5 year old girl and we live in Potomac" , I'll say " i have a 6 year old boy and we live in Rockville" so that friends won't be able to ID me even if they know the whole story already. I have been called out as a troll before because of this (I forget the made up minute detail and then the story doesnt make sense)

Pp here* Out of *this thread

Anonymous wrote:

mous wrote:OP, it's a good thing you fired your negligent and untruthful nanny. Clearly, she lied to you about how her windshield cracked and just wanted you to pay for it. Do not even consider hiring such a person back to look after your child.

But really, you have two other larger problems than your nanny. The first is that your child is obviously deeply disturbed if, at 8 years old, she is throwing tantrums of the kicking and screaming sort. Get her to a therapist right away for her rage disorder.

Your second problem is money. You will never make a lot of it trolling on websites and posting fake problems until they actually sound compelling enough to start interesting discussions. Try harder next time.



OP here. DC does not throw a tantrum of screams, or thrashing, or biting, or rage (like one might envision); but DC is definitely impatient. Nanny and DC were running late to DC's sports' practice and -- according to nanny -- frustrated DC slumped in the front seat, pushed her back against the front seat for leverage, and kicked their legs up at the windshield. Apparently, she struck the windshield with enough force to crack it. I do not question the nanny's story that this is exactly as things happened.

I do not think DC is "deeply disturbed", s/he has not so much as pushed another person in their life, and neither our family nor the school has never noticed any "deeply disturbed" behavior -- on the contrary they are usually very well behaved and well-liked by teachers and friends. There is no doubt that DC was a frustrated, tired, little miscreant on the day in question though. That is why DC is being punished in a not-inconsequential manner.

We both know you are a troll making up a fake post. And you are not very good at it.

If your DC was real and threw a tantrum worthy of kicking out a windshield, then yes, it is exactly what I envision, a tantrum of epic proportions that includes screaming, thrashing, and...listen for it...attempting to kick out a windshield. This is very deeply disturbed behavior for an 8yr old. Google it, since I don't expect you to be intelligent enough to pursue anything more worthy than that to bolster your stupidity.

Let me say it again for the idiots you don"t see you for what you are.

TROLL. You are posting fake problems hoping that people might devote serious energy in service of your fake ass problems.

The only TROLL around here, is you! No one cares Nancy Drew, majority seems to encourage this post. So take your lame ass out for his thread. M...K?!

PP, whatever you think is fine.

I will deal with my own DC, and in the end I am happy with my decision to go it alone for the time being. I think that I treated our short-term, part-time nanny as fairly and justly as anyone could have given the same circumstances.

I do not know why my DC was able to crack the nanny's windshield -- and believe me, I wish s/he had not. Perhaps, as other PPs have suggested, there was already a small hole or crack which already made this windshield weak and susceptible to cracking. Or perhaps, as you suggest, DC's tantrum was some sort of screaming, thrashing nightmare that the nanny will not admit to -- because she does not describe it that way at all.

I can guess based on your dismissive attitude that you would never treat another person -- me, the nanny, or anyone on this forum -- with as much patience, and a desire to do the right thing -- as I showed the nanny.

mous wrote:OP, it's a good thing you fired your negligent and untruthful nanny. Clearly, she lied to you about how her windshield cracked and just wanted you to pay for it. Do not even consider hiring such a person back to look after your child.

But really, you have two other larger problems than your nanny. The first is that your child is obviously deeply disturbed if, at 8 years old, she is throwing tantrums of the kicking and screaming sort. Get her to a therapist right away for her rage disorder.

Your second problem is money. You will never make a lot of it trolling on websites and posting fake problems until they actually sound compelling enough to start interesting discussions. Try harder next time.



OP here. DC does not throw a tantrum of screams, or thrashing, or biting, or rage (like one might envision); but DC is definitely impatient. Nanny and DC were running late to DC's sports' practice and -- according to nanny -- frustrated DC slumped in the front seat, pushed her back against the front seat for leverage, and kicked their legs up at the windshield. Apparently, she struck the windshield with enough force to crack it. I do not question the nanny's story that this is exactly as things happened.

I do not think DC is "deeply disturbed", s/he has not so much as pushed another person in their life, and neither our family nor the school has never noticed any "deeply disturbed" behavior -- on the contrary they are usually very well behaved and well-liked by teachers and friends. There is no doubt that DC was a frustrated, tired, little miscreant on the day in question though. That is why DC is being punished in a not-inconsequential manner.

We both know you are a troll making up a fake post. And you are not very good at it.

If your DC was real and threw a tantrum worthy of kicking out a windshield, then yes, it is exactly what I envision, a tantrum of epic proportions that includes screaming, thrashing, and...listen for it...attempting to kick out a windshield. This is very deeply disturbed behavior for an 8yr old. Google it, since I don't expect you to be intelligent enough to pursue anything more worthy than that to bolster your stupidity.

Let me say it again for the idiots you don"t see you for what you are.

TROLL. You are posting fake problems hoping that people might devote serious energy in service of your fake ass problems.

OP here. 17:55, thank you for the information about windshields damage. There was definitely spidering, though not as veined as some. It is possible, of course, based on what you and PPs have noted -- that there was pre-existing damage, which my DC's kick undoubtedly made 10x worse (as I had never noticed damage on nanny's windshield before).

In any case, it would have been awkward for me to challenge her on it, as it was undisputed by DC that s/he kicked at the nanny's windshield. Just an unfortunate situation all around.

Next time I would ask the nanny to perhaps make a claim on their own auto insurance (so that it was repaired to their very own insurance company' standards) and offer to pay the deductible.

I feel a little "swindled" perhaps, but the nanny learned a lesson my mother has always put this way, "sometimes when you try to load in too much loot, the bag breaks."

"Said child should have been injured"?
Who the hell are you, 17:55?

Anonymous wrote:OP, you did everything right. I don't understand why posters are getting on you for the kid kicking the windshield. That doesn't mean the child needs help. I have done things in anger in the past and I'm sure others have too. That is not indicative of the type of person yo are.

You are fine. It looks like you we're already thinking about letting her go, so enjoy this time with your kids!

Btw, as a nanny, I would never ask to get my job back and say I will give half the payment back given by my employer.

The nanny should never have asked for the second payment as she had no intention of switching out the windshield. She knew it was aftermarket as she didn't take it to the dealer and another company. She should have offered the entire payment back. It would be very hard for a child that young to kick a windshield without prior damage. The child would have to be kicking it with a huge force (and gymnastics is not going to do it as we are in gymnastics too). You'd need a hammer or bat or something else but a common shoe isn't going to do it (and yes, I put my feet up there all the time even though I know better and have never done anything but leave foot prints). Nanny probably broke it driving or someone else and put the kid there to blame her. She knew mom was a sucker and would pay. Windshields if anything usually crack from a very hard flying rock at a strong speed and then splinter depending on the crack. I've had two windshields replaced due to rocks and spidering where there was nothing that could be done (and other cracks repaired) and my husband has had two replaced and several repaired. One of my husband's spidered so badly he could barely see out of it and that was from a rock on a highway that he didn't bother to fix right away. It is not easy just to kick in a windshield, particularly a young child. Personally, I would have asked the glass replacement company if that was even possible before repair. Then I would have had a company come to my house on work hours so it was no inconvenience to her. What ever one our insurance uses comes to the house, is very nice and did a great job very quickly. All we had to do was be home and provide a safe place to work.

That is extreme anger to break through safety glass in a car. Also, if the child used that much force, the said child should have been injured and immediately taken to the doctor or ER.

Typing on ipad, sorry for typos.

OP, you did everything right. I don't understand why posters are getting on you for the kid kicking the windshield. That doesn't mean the child needs help. I have done things in anger in the past and I'm sure others have too. That is not indicative of the type of person yo are.

You are fine. It looks like you we're already thinking about letting her go, so enjoy this time with your kids!

Btw, as a nanny, I would never ask to get my job back and say I will give half the payment back given by my employer.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is some information about windshields:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_human_kick_in_a_windshield_from_inside_the_car

or:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/removing-windshield-kick-out-766564/
(if your child kicked it that hard, she would have caused herself damage)

Thank you, PP! This is exactly why I called troll early on.

Not a troll, but possible evidence that the older windshield was already structurallt weakened.

Anonymous wrote:Here is some information about windshields:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_human_kick_in_a_windshield_from_inside_the_car

or:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/removing-windshield-kick-out-766564/
(if your child kicked it that hard, she would have caused herself damage)

Thank you, PP! This is exactly why I called troll early on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is some information about windshields:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_human_kick_in_a_windshield_from_inside_the_car

or:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/removing-windshield-kick-out-766564/
(if your child kicked it that hard, she would have caused herself damage)

+1000

Thank you for evidence that I may have been played. It did not occur to ask if there may have been a pre-existing crack. Live and learn, but I do not regret having paid to take care of the nanny's concerns.

I have stuck by my original decision, and honestly I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. Another of my DC said yesterday that s/he liked it better when I drove them around.

Anonymous wrote:Here is some information about windshields:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_human_kick_in_a_windshield_from_inside_the_car

or:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/removing-windshield-kick-out-766564/
(if your child kicked it that hard, she would have caused herself damage)

+1000