Anonymous wrote:OP and complaining PPs, if you don't like it if an employer is late, then get a new job. Easy. All your justifications and complaints and issues are sort of silly, but if that is your bottom line, fine. That's your right. So quit.

I'm not the op but have posted in this thread. What is silly about taking a job with hours that fit my schedule? I have a very busy life complete with 2 jobs, a monthly dr appt, and a LIFE that includes regular things like dr, dentist appts, etc. I took a job with hours to accommodate me and give me time to do all the other things I have going on. Flexibility in my end time was NOT discussed or asked for when I interviewed. In fact, I was very clear about needing to leave on time and the parents claimed they'd be home early most days. So I'm missing the "silly" part. It's not how I was told it would be. That's annoying. Duh.

Anonymous wrote:My MB and DB are late about 90% of the time. Usually from 15 minutes to an hour late. Thankfully I have no life outside of work and I get paid hourly.

See, maybe I just work with great employers. If they see that they are being 15-60 minutes late all the time, then they add on an hour to my schedule which gives them this buffer time they need. They do this out of respect for me and so that they don't feel bad when they are running late. Since I would be getting paid for that hour most days anyways (if they are late), it just makes sense. Then on days that they come home early, they have a bit of time to go change or start dinner before they take over with the kids, or now and then they just let me go home early. Since they have added this extra buffer, they won't be "late" quite so much, and so if it is ever outside of the new schedule, it is something that I deal with.

It is not hard for any other family to do this as well. So if they aren't willing to do this, and they are constantly late, then I might reconsider working for them. You can say that their job makes them late as much as you want, but if the employers aren't considerate enough to add on an extra hour as a buffer when they know they might be late a lot, then I usually don't want to work for that type of person. Since I have never had a family that was constantly late that wasn't willing to rearrange a schedule, I can't say if they are just harder to find or people on this site just like to use work keeping them late as an excuse instead of working out something better with the hours needed. I do know that most of my families have suggested doing this with the schedule from when I interviewed with them, bringing it up themselves, so that I would know I might possibly go home earlier some days but would be staying a bit later with the flex time on a regular basis.

Why don't you let them pay you for an additional hour every day? Are they being cheap with you?

My MB and DB are late about 90% of the time. Usually from 15 minutes to an hour late. Thankfully I have no life outside of work and I get paid hourly.

Anonymous wrote:OP and complaining PPs, if you don't like it if an employer is late, then get a new job. Easy. All your justifications and complaints and issues are sort of silly, but if that is your bottom line, fine. That's your right. So quit.

So you've never complained about a way in which (or a particular time that) your boss is/was thoughtless and inconsiderate? You just up and quit? Great suggestion, very productive and especially appropriate when there are so many jobs out there for grabs.

Are you the same obnoxious poster who ruined ISYN for a time? Sure sound like it. Awful.

OP and complaining PPs, if you don't like it if an employer is late, then get a new job. Easy. All your justifications and complaints and issues are sort of silly, but if that is your bottom line, fine. That's your right. So quit.

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Anonymous wrote:They NEED to state up front then that they need a nanny who basically has no life outside of work. I actually saw ad to this affect recently. They need to state up front if they consistently need someone more than the stated 50 hours per week. Also, if they want flexibility, then they need to be willing to offer it in return. I don't get that from them.

I agree with everything you said here EXCEPT that if they require flexibility that they need to be willing to give you flexibility as well. I don't agree with that. Of course as a nanny I would appreciate any flexibility that my bosses give me but I would never expect it.

No. It needs to go BOTH ways. I may end up being 5 to 10 minutes every once in a while, and I should expect flexibility for that. Like when the weather is really bad, even when I leave my house earlier, I might still be a little late. Yet I shouldn't have to feel like it's a big deal if I am going to give them flexibility too. Their issue is that it's becoming a weekly occurrence. If I was late even once per week, I'd probably get fired.

I agree with this. I have worked for my bosses for over a year and been 10 minutes late ONCE and am usually 10-15 minutes early. They nearly had a cow when I was late but they are late 2-3 times a week and I greet them with a smile and don't bitch about it. If they expect flexibility they should be so in return.

I still disagree that flexibility needs to go both ways. Yes, flexibility on their part is certainly appreciated and reasonable MBs and DBs will offer extra flexibility in the case of inclement weather but just because they come home late one day every week does not mean that you can go into work late one day every week. I understand that you may have plans and even if you don't, you want to be getting home BUT if you are late in the morning then you may very well affect their being late to work and that it just not acceptable. I am a nanny and I wouldn't appreciate if my bosses were regularly home significantly late but I realize that them coming home late and me going into work late are just not the same thing. If they are coming home late then (depending on their profession) it may very well be out of their hands. If you are going into work late it is probably because you overslept. A major reason why a lot of parents want a nanny is for the flexibility (though I do believe that if this is the case that they should let you know they need flexibility in the interview). Nobody becomes a nanny because they want flexibility with their start time everyday. I think that it completely ridiculous, and I'm a nanny.

Ok, so a nanny can't have another job after the FT one she has each day? Or school or anything else planned? That is what you are saying, a nanny can't be late in the mornings since it would cause MB to be late to work. Well, if MB is constantly late home each evening, then she makes NANNY late for whatever nanny has plans for, which could be anything. There is no rule saying nanny can only have one job, or can't be taking evening classes, or whatever. MB has no special powers that make it allowable for her to be late all the time and therefore making nanny late as well. Flexibility is good, but an employer doesn't have a right to abuse this outside of a normal set schedule. Being flexible is MB asking if I can stay 30 minutes later at least a day in advance, or getting home 5-10 minutes late no more than once a month. Being flexible is not me having to schedule a buffer time of an extra 30-60 minutes at the end of my day just in case MB is late on a regular basis.

If a nanny has a job or classes after her FT position it should be layed out during the interview process. Families should then decide whether or not they want a nanny that is unable to offer flexibility. If parents then decide to hire said nanny then they should be extra careful not to be late. At the same time, if parents require regular flexibility from their nanny, they should outline that in the interview process. If your boss comes home late every once in a while it does not give you the right to come in a little late the next morning. If you have no prior engagements after work and your boss comes home 5 minutes late once a week it is not a big deal, suck it up.

I never said that I would be late in the morning at any time because my boss has been late herself at night. I am always early or if running late, I end up just on time. I would never think it was ok to be late because someone else has been. I also don't mind her being late by 5 minutes every now and then. It is a problem if she is coming in 15 minutes late on a regular basis, as that means she actually needs more coverage built in to the schedule than she currently has. I am happy to build that into my regular schedule. I have no regular classes after work or another job on a daily basis. I have one on one day and my MB for earlier in the day respects that I have that other commitment and never causes me to be late for it. I actually don't deal with a MB or DB who is late on a regular basis at all. They usually come in saying how sorry they are for being late when it is only 3-4 minutes later than normal. I tell them it is fine and not a problem with me.

I was giving examples in my posts about reasons why a family should be considerate of their nanny's time. Even if there is no other job or classes, you should always be expecting that there might be something she needs to do and give a heads up about the possibility of being late if you know in advance, ask the day before if you need her to stay later because you know you have a meeting that will run late, or whatnot. I also don't see me needing to let MB know of everything that I do in my own personal life, in my own personal time. Maybe I start classes after I have taken the job? If they said that they will not be late on a regular basis then why should I have to tell her I am and what time they start at? Am I supposed to let her know when I might have to run to a store that closes by 6:30pm just in case she plans on being late that day? I know things happen and sometimes it is just traffic that causes someone to be 20 minutes late which I understand. But if 20 minutes late 2-3 times a week (kind of like some other PP has mentioned), then that shows a schedule that the MB set up which is not actually what she needs and should be changed.

Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that I don't think that a nanny arriving for work late or parents arriving home late is the same as being flexible. Parents should pay the nanny for as much time as they need her - my employers pay me to stay until 6, even though they are often home at 5:30, so they have this built-in time for running errands or staying late at the office, etc. Meanwhile, I do have to leave right on the dot because I go immediately to a second job that starts at 6:30. In our relationship, flexibility is them asking me if I can come in early the following day, or me asking if I can leave early one Thursday two months down the road to pick someone up at the airport, etc. etc. Always plenty of notice, always a request, never an expectation - that's what I think of when I think of flexibility. Being late repeatedly is just disrespectful on either side.

I agree that the parents should be paying to have the nanny stay until 6:30pm if they want the flexibility to frequently arrive home later than 6pm. Just because you are a nanny, it does not mean that parents have a right to be late all the time if their job isn't forcing them to, but it is them just wanting to stop off to do a bit of shopping after work or whatever personal reason for them being late (not jb related). If I accept a position where they give me a set schedule and say that they don't work in the type of position that will ask them to stay late, then I expect them to try and get home by the end of my scheduled time with them. I would be happy to arrange "on call" hours at the end of a shift to allow flex time for them if their job needs that, I have done that before, but you need to include those hours in the position so that I CAN schedule other things in the evenings for other stuff (evening classes, extra babysitting).

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I don't know if it's the OP, or other posters as well, but you're sounding a bit over the top now. If your employers are coming home late and apparently you seem sooo peeved off, just quit then. I'm sure in this current job market, there are plenty of nannies out there who would take a position with the parents being late once in a while.

EVERY WEEK, not once in a while. I swear you people can't read. And no all those agreeing with me are others, it's not all me posting. Believe it or not, some of us do think it's a two-way street. I would quit, but my last day is in 7 weeks, counting down the days!

Okay, I don't know if it's the OP, or other posters as well, but you're sounding a bit over the top now. If your employers are coming home late and apparently you seem sooo peeved off, just quit then. I'm sure in this current job market, there are plenty of nannies out there who would take a position with the parents being late once in a while.

I just want to say that I don't think that a nanny arriving for work late or parents arriving home late is the same as being flexible. Parents should pay the nanny for as much time as they need her - my employers pay me to stay until 6, even though they are often home at 5:30, so they have this built-in time for running errands or staying late at the office, etc. Meanwhile, I do have to leave right on the dot because I go immediately to a second job that starts at 6:30. In our relationship, flexibility is them asking me if I can come in early the following day, or me asking if I can leave early one Thursday two months down the road to pick someone up at the airport, etc. etc. Always plenty of notice, always a request, never an expectation - that's what I think of when I think of flexibility. Being late repeatedly is just disrespectful on either side.

How about NEEDS to be out the door on time. Another job or classes is hardly frivolous crap to need to leave on time. My bosses have no reason to stay late at their jobs. They often just wanna go do other crap. My stuff actually IS more important than theirs at the end of the day. If they hadn't guaranteed my leave time, I never would've taken the job.

Ok, so a nanny can't have another job after the FT one she has each day? Or school or anything else planned? That is what you are saying, a nanny can't be late in the mornings since it would cause MB to be late to work. Well, if MB is constantly late home each evening, then she makes NANNY late for whatever nanny has plans for, which could be anything. There is no rule saying nanny can only have one job, or can't be taking evening classes, or whatever. MB has no special powers that make it allowable for her to be late all the time and therefore making nanny late as well.

Look you are being immature and unprofessional. This will not get you anywhere but pissed off or fired.

In the working world, the reality is that you can't be late but you can often be expected to stay late. This is pretty much the norm in many professional environments. You never show up late in the morning to your client's meeting and you can't boot them out the door when the clock strikes five. This is what it is. Doesn't matter whether you like it or not.

It sucks but in many professional environments working parents need to prove that they can still do their job with kids. I kid you not but you can really harm your career by saying something like I need to cut this short because my nanny is meeting up her girlfriends. It says you didn't make good choices in having childcare. A dad saying this would be laughed out of the room but if he said I need to cut this short we have a T time at club X then everyone would be OK. In other environment like healthcare, the entire setup expects doctors and even nurses to work beyond their shifts when something comes up. Sometimes this is a medical emergency or sometimes its just out of compassion to not walk out and hand off a patient immediately at the end of the shift.

Not all parents work in these types of environments but many do. If as a nanny you want to be out the door when the clock strikes 5, you have to say something upfront in the interview.

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Anonymous wrote:They NEED to state up front then that they need a nanny who basically has no life outside of work. I actually saw ad to this affect recently. They need to state up front if they consistently need someone more than the stated 50 hours per week. Also, if they want flexibility, then they need to be willing to offer it in return. I don't get that from them.

I agree with everything you said here EXCEPT that if they require flexibility that they need to be willing to give you flexibility as well. I don't agree with that. Of course as a nanny I would appreciate any flexibility that my bosses give me but I would never expect it.

No. It needs to go BOTH ways. I may end up being 5 to 10 minutes every once in a while, and I should expect flexibility for that. Like when the weather is really bad, even when I leave my house earlier, I might still be a little late. Yet I shouldn't have to feel like it's a big deal if I am going to give them flexibility too. Their issue is that it's becoming a weekly occurrence. If I was late even once per week, I'd probably get fired.

I agree with this. I have worked for my bosses for over a year and been 10 minutes late ONCE and am usually 10-15 minutes early. They nearly had a cow when I was late but they are late 2-3 times a week and I greet them with a smile and don't bitch about it. If they expect flexibility they should be so in return.

I still disagree that flexibility needs to go both ways. Yes, flexibility on their part is certainly appreciated and reasonable MBs and DBs will offer extra flexibility in the case of inclement weather but just because they come home late one day every week does not mean that you can go into work late one day every week. I understand that you may have plans and even if you don't, you want to be getting home BUT if you are late in the morning then you may very well affect their being late to work and that it just not acceptable. I am a nanny and I wouldn't appreciate if my bosses were regularly home significantly late but I realize that them coming home late and me going into work late are just not the same thing. If they are coming home late then (depending on their profession) it may very well be out of their hands. If you are going into work late it is probably because you overslept. A major reason why a lot of parents want a nanny is for the flexibility (though I do believe that if this is the case that they should let you know they need flexibility in the interview). Nobody becomes a nanny because they want flexibility with their start time everyday. I think that it completely ridiculous, and I'm a nanny.

Ok, so a nanny can't have another job after the FT one she has each day? Or school or anything else planned? That is what you are saying, a nanny can't be late in the mornings since it would cause MB to be late to work. Well, if MB is constantly late home each evening, then she makes NANNY late for whatever nanny has plans for, which could be anything. There is no rule saying nanny can only have one job, or can't be taking evening classes, or whatever. MB has no special powers that make it allowable for her to be late all the time and therefore making nanny late as well. Flexibility is good, but an employer doesn't have a right to abuse this outside of a normal set schedule. Being flexible is MB asking if I can stay 30 minutes later at least a day in advance, or getting home 5-10 minutes late no more than once a month. Being flexible is not me having to schedule a buffer time of an extra 30-60 minutes at the end of my day just in case MB is late on a regular basis.

If a nanny has a job or classes after her FT position it should be layed out during the interview process. Families should then decide whether or not they want a nanny that is unable to offer flexibility. If parents then decide to hire said nanny then they should be extra careful not to be late. At the same time, if parents require regular flexibility from their nanny, they should outline that in the interview process. If your boss comes home late every once in a while it does not give you the right to come in a little late the next morning. If you have no prior engagements after work and your boss comes home 5 minutes late once a week it is not a big deal, suck it up.