OP, you've only been a nanny 6 months and you think you are impossible to replace? You also think you can be 100% sure that they aren't shopping for a new nanny?

Only if you are making up your story.

My body, my choice. If they didn't mention it when they hired me, that's their problem. I'm not putting that in my body. So if they ask, yes I lie. The onus is on them to tell me in the interview they want this, 3 years into a job they can't just start demanding I put that crap in my body. I am healthy and NEVER get sick. They are sick all the time, they need the shot not me.

Anonymous wrote:Many jobs require the flu shot, and for good reasons.

OP may think she's fine just saying no, but if the parents are smart, they are already conducting a search for a new nanny. If they asked her to do it, they care a lot about it. The fact that she doesn't care enough about their child's heart condition would be reason enough to get a new nanny.

And, OP, when they do replace you, don't expect the notice and severance clauses to be honored because you will be fired for cause.

Endangering the health of children because you are weirdly anti-vaccine even though you haven't ever had the flu shot is incredibly selfish, as well as ignorant.

OP here: you are truly stupid. I can say with 100% certainty that they are not looking for a new nanny. I talked to the family again today and they assured me AGAIN that they respect my decision. They hired TWO nannies before me and had to get rid of both of them because "J" never became comfortable with them and would cry all day, which is important that she not do. I was the only nanny and candidate that came that she never freaked out about. I've been with them for 6 months now and they told me today that they do not want to go through all of that again and that they respect me and my decisions.

So please, before you make yourself sound like a moron on here, realize that you don't know me or the family.

If the flu or pertusss shots were a condition of employment, fine. I do not think this can be "cause" for firing, if this is something they suddenly decided they wanted.

Many jobs require the flu shot, and for good reasons.

OP may think she's fine just saying no, but if the parents are smart, they are already conducting a search for a new nanny. If they asked her to do it, they care a lot about it. The fact that she doesn't care enough about their child's heart condition would be reason enough to get a new nanny.

And, OP, when they do replace you, don't expect the notice and severance clauses to be honored because you will be fired for cause.

Endangering the health of children because you are weirdly anti-vaccine even though you haven't ever had the flu shot is incredibly selfish, as well as ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:
2. As an adult, you are doing far more harmful things to your body and increasing your chances of developing a terminal illness later in life by eating fast food, not exercising, or other common things than getting a flu shot. You take far more risks in your daily life and the scientific evidence really does show that a flu shot is very low risk. You have a higher risk of experiencing complications from having the flu than complications from the vaccine. Avoiding the flu and other respiratory diseases, reduces your risk of more likely chronic disorders long term.

And those of us who don't eat fast food, don't smoke, do exercise, etc., are we allowed to not want to put this in our bodies?

+100000

Anonymous wrote:
2. As an adult, you are doing far more harmful things to your body and increasing your chances of developing a terminal illness later in life by eating fast food, not exercising, or other common things than getting a flu shot. You take far more risks in your daily life and the scientific evidence really does show that a flu shot is very low risk. You have a higher risk of experiencing complications from having the flu than complications from the vaccine. Avoiding the flu and other respiratory diseases, reduces your risk of more likely chronic disorders long term.

And those of us who don't eat fast food, don't smoke, do exercise, etc., are we allowed to not want to put this in our bodies?

Family was fine with me not wanting it

No, the family would not have asked you to get the shot if they didn't care about it. OP- do you care at all about the kids or if this just a job to you? If you do care about them, then you should get the shot. A heart condition is not something to take lightly.

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Anonymous wrote:If the twins are protected with the shot, then why does it really matter if the nanny gets it or not? Can someone please explain to me?

Anyone? I am truly curious.

Someone already did. It doesn't always stop illness with EVERYONE. So if it doesn't with one of the kids, and nanny never got a shot (people are assuming that nanny has a higher chance of getting sick without a shot), then nanny might get sick and pass it to the child that the shot just doesn't work on. Of course, this could happen with nanny getting the shot as well, but it cuts down the chances a bit more if everyone gets a shot. Not saying I am in favor of making nanny get the shot, but there is logic in why people want kids and nanny to all get the flu shot each year.

I think there is confusion on the flu shot - it doesn't prevent the flu it just lessens the severity. These twins are unlikely to be around many people other than his/her parents and nanny. Thus, nannies typically are required to get the shot because if they get the flu they'll often miss at least one week of work AND expose the child to the flu. Since the child is vaccinated, you hope that their flu won't be as severe, but with something like a heart condition it could be quite serious to be exposed at all at this age. For the people who got the flu the only year they got the shot - unfortunately, again, the shot probably only lessened the severity of your flu, but it was probably a particularly bad flu year (and perhaps the reason that you got the shot that year?).
If you are allergic to chicken eggs, there is really nothing you can do about getting the flu shot because you are allergic. If you are worried about additives, it's very easy to get the mercury free flu shots now - I got mine at urgent care. Personally, I require pertussis and flu shot vaccinations (and proof with receipt b/c I pay for it) for my nannies. I wouldn't hire or keep employed a nanny who refused. All nurses, doctors etc get the flu shot every year -

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Anonymous wrote:If the twins are protected with the shot, then why does it really matter if the nanny gets it or not? Can someone please explain to me?

Anyone? I am truly curious.

Its because vaccines are often not 100% effective in all people. Sadly, the people with conditions that make getting the flu a serious medical risk end up being these people. This is why doctors recommend that parents, family members and care givers of children with medical issues be vaccinated. You also are contagious several days before you show any symptoms. When the nanny gets the flu she'll be home sick for a few days, the preemie twins with the heart condition will be in the hospital. Lovely nanny. Real piece of work.

OP Here: before you decide to be a smartass, read back to my responses. Family was fine with me not wanting it. End of story. You my friend Are the "real piece of work." Pathetic that you need to resort to a online forum to try and put someone down.

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Anonymous wrote:If the twins are protected with the shot, then why does it really matter if the nanny gets it or not? Can someone please explain to me?

Anyone? I am truly curious.

Its because vaccines are often not 100% effective in all people. Sadly, the people with conditions that make getting the flu a serious medical risk end up being these people. This is why doctors recommend that parents, family members and care givers of children with medical issues be vaccinated. You also are contagious several days before you show any symptoms. When the nanny gets the flu she'll be home sick for a few days, the preemie twins with the heart condition will be in the hospital. Lovely nanny. Real piece of work.

Stop being rude.

OP said the family understood and were willing to work with her. End of story.

If a job requires something you're not comfortable with, don't take the job. If a caretaker doesn't want to do something you consider non-negotiable, hire a different one. Very simple. There is plenty of room in this world for people to think and feel differently.

Anonymous wrote:If the twins are protected with the shot, then why does it really matter if the nanny gets it or not? Can someone please explain to me?

Anyone? I am truly curious.

Its because vaccines are often not 100% effective in all people. Sadly, the people with conditions that make getting the flu a serious medical risk end up being these people. This is why doctors recommend that parents, family members and care givers of children with medical issues be vaccinated. You also are contagious several days before you show any symptoms. When the nanny gets the flu she'll be home sick for a few days, the preemie twins with the heart condition will be in the hospital. Lovely nanny. Real piece of work.

My nanny told me she doesn't want to get the flu shot and it was fine to me. Did you try telling MB that you didn't want to? My nanny gave me a reason but I forgot what it was. It was so insignificant. I considered a "job perk" that I would pay for it but if she didn't want to take me up on it, that was absolutely ok with me.

Unless you are taking care of infant newborns, babies get their own flu show. Mine got one at 9 months.

Asking you to get the flu shot was probably for your protection so you don't miss work due to the flu.

Anonymous wrote:If the twins are protected with the shot, then why does it really matter if the nanny gets it or not? Can someone please explain to me?

Anyone? I am truly curious.