Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 13:38     Subject: Flying with Nanny
Nanny here. Assuming parents keep out of sight (and no, they wouldn't board with the first class group, they would board after nanny and child were safely settled in), there is no reason to assume that the child will think their parents have abandoned them. This is the nanny with whol they leave the child each day for work, and with whom the child has had countless outings and adventures. For most kids with a long-term, loving nanny it would be no big deal.

--Nanny here.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 10:35     Subject: Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:
Oh come on people, to get an economy seat for the nanny is totally fine. I fly with my employer and it's a better situation for me at least, cuz I don't have the kids the whole flight. If they need me, I changed seat with her husband. Op, it's doable and it's OK.


Swapping seats from one class to another is not allowed.
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We did it all the time, like four times a year we travel. The crews never said a word even the flight purser.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2017 10:34     Subject: Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, in your first post you say you'll be in business class, nanny and child in economy, but you plan to have the child up front in business class with you for much of the flight.

But in your follow up post, you say that your child is now legally too old to be a lap child. Therefore, the airline will *NOT* allow you to bring your child into business class with you for any portion of the flight, as she is ticketed already in economy. So, it's clear that you haven't fully thought this through.

Can you require nanny to watch your child the entire flight in economy while you and your husband are in business class? Yes, you can. And you can also start looking for a new nanny when you return.


Yup. The nanny sits in coach with the kid, who will probably be crying because he knows his parents are on the plane, but he can't sit with them. The nanny gets crap sleep, because she's stuck in coach with the unhappy kid, but she's also going to be working when you reach your destination. Then she'll get to do it all over again on the way home.

At the very least, you better be paying your nanny a ton.

The child is too young and won't know their parents are on the same flight if they board separately and the child doesn't see the parents as they are in different sections. Its going to be difficult though because as a parent you will be tempted to check up on your child and then they will know.


Would you do this to your child? Let them think that you ditched them at the airport and now they're boarding a plane to goodness knows where with their nanny not mom and dad? My DD is 2 and is familiar with the airport and what a plane does. If we did this to her, she might think we're giving her away to the nanny! And then ignoring your child for the duration of an international flight so they don't know you're on the same plane? I hope you're not serious that this is a viable option.


That is totally insane. I cannot imagine any normal person doing that to a small child.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2017 07:27     Subject: Re:Flying with Nanny
No, OP, it is not acceptable to have your nanny and child in economy class on the same plane with you and DH in business. It is also impractical and your child will be crying for you the entire flight.

Everyone flies coach. Everyone sits together.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2017 00:10     Subject: Flying with Nanny
The nanny should quit on the spot.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2017 00:02     Subject: Re:Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:OP here with more explanation for why we are even asking this question in the first place. For domestic trips there is no question everyone would fly together. For this specific international trip, there is literally a $10k difference to have DD and nanny in economy vs in business. That's just hard to swallow for a 2 year old (who is just now too old to be a lap child), and we were wondering if this could in any way be an acceptable way to help defray the cost of flights.


If it is that costly, put everyone in coach. Problem solved.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 23:06     Subject: Flying with Nanny
OP,
Even your second posting sounded awful.
You are so concerned over money that you are thinking hurt feelings will cost you nothing.

But you risk having your Nanny as soon as you all set foot back home.
Then imagine all the time that you will be needing to search for that someone you can feel confident leaving your children with.

And as you know......

Time = Money Baby.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 19:32     Subject: Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, in your first post you say you'll be in business class, nanny and child in economy, but you plan to have the child up front in business class with you for much of the flight.

But in your follow up post, you say that your child is now legally too old to be a lap child. Therefore, the airline will *NOT* allow you to bring your child into business class with you for any portion of the flight, as she is ticketed already in economy. So, it's clear that you haven't fully thought this through.

Can you require nanny to watch your child the entire flight in economy while you and your husband are in business class? Yes, you can. And you can also start looking for a new nanny when you return.


Yup. The nanny sits in coach with the kid, who will probably be crying because he knows his parents are on the plane, but he can't sit with them. The nanny gets crap sleep, because she's stuck in coach with the unhappy kid, but she's also going to be working when you reach your destination. Then she'll get to do it all over again on the way home.

At the very least, you better be paying your nanny a ton.

The child is too young and won't know their parents are on the same flight if they board separately and the child doesn't see the parents as they are in different sections. Its going to be difficult though because as a parent you will be tempted to check up on your child and then they will know.

Of course the child will know. They all go to the airport together and then the parents board the plane and sit in first and then. Many and child have to walk past them to get to their seats. My toddler is a great traveler but she would have a fit the whole time if she wakes past me and dh and sat with the nanny the whole flight. And she loves her nanny. But mom is mom. And also how does the nanny go to the bathroom? Leave the child by herself? Go to first to tell you she's going to the bathroom to then have mom or dad sit with the child? This is just not thought out. I'd fly with the hood in first and nanny can fly in coach but not work.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 18:28     Subject: Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, in your first post you say you'll be in business class, nanny and child in economy, but you plan to have the child up front in business class with you for much of the flight.

But in your follow up post, you say that your child is now legally too old to be a lap child. Therefore, the airline will *NOT* allow you to bring your child into business class with you for any portion of the flight, as she is ticketed already in economy. So, it's clear that you haven't fully thought this through.

Can you require nanny to watch your child the entire flight in economy while you and your husband are in business class? Yes, you can. And you can also start looking for a new nanny when you return.


Yup. The nanny sits in coach with the kid, who will probably be crying because he knows his parents are on the plane, but he can't sit with them. The nanny gets crap sleep, because she's stuck in coach with the unhappy kid, but she's also going to be working when you reach your destination. Then she'll get to do it all over again on the way home.

At the very least, you better be paying your nanny a ton.

The child is too young and won't know their parents are on the same flight if they board separately and the child doesn't see the parents as they are in different sections. Its going to be difficult though because as a parent you will be tempted to check up on your child and then they will know.


Would you do this to your child? Let them think that you ditched them at the airport and now they're boarding a plane to goodness knows where with their nanny not mom and dad? My DD is 2 and is familiar with the airport and what a plane does. If we did this to her, she might think we're giving her away to the nanny! And then ignoring your child for the duration of an international flight so they don't know you're on the same plane? I hope you're not serious that this is a viable option.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 17:44     Subject: Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, in your first post you say you'll be in business class, nanny and child in economy, but you plan to have the child up front in business class with you for much of the flight.

But in your follow up post, you say that your child is now legally too old to be a lap child. Therefore, the airline will *NOT* allow you to bring your child into business class with you for any portion of the flight, as she is ticketed already in economy. So, it's clear that you haven't fully thought this through.

Can you require nanny to watch your child the entire flight in economy while you and your husband are in business class? Yes, you can. And you can also start looking for a new nanny when you return.


Yup. The nanny sits in coach with the kid, who will probably be crying because he knows his parents are on the plane, but he can't sit with them. The nanny gets crap sleep, because she's stuck in coach with the unhappy kid, but she's also going to be working when you reach your destination. Then she'll get to do it all over again on the way home.

At the very least, you better be paying your nanny a ton.

The child is too young and won't know their parents are on the same flight if they board separately and the child doesn't see the parents as they are in different sections. Its going to be difficult though because as a parent you will be tempted to check up on your child and then they will know.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 15:59     Subject: Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:OP, in your first post you say you'll be in business class, nanny and child in economy, but you plan to have the child up front in business class with you for much of the flight.

But in your follow up post, you say that your child is now legally too old to be a lap child. Therefore, the airline will *NOT* allow you to bring your child into business class with you for any portion of the flight, as she is ticketed already in economy. So, it's clear that you haven't fully thought this through.

Can you require nanny to watch your child the entire flight in economy while you and your husband are in business class? Yes, you can. And you can also start looking for a new nanny when you return.


Yup. The nanny sits in coach with the kid, who will probably be crying because he knows his parents are on the plane, but he can't sit with them. The nanny gets crap sleep, because she's stuck in coach with the unhappy kid, but she's also going to be working when you reach your destination. Then she'll get to do it all over again on the way home.

At the very least, you better be paying your nanny a ton.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 15:21     Subject: Flying with Nanny
OP, in your first post you say you'll be in business class, nanny and child in economy, but you plan to have the child up front in business class with you for much of the flight.

But in your follow up post, you say that your child is now legally too old to be a lap child. Therefore, the airline will *NOT* allow you to bring your child into business class with you for any portion of the flight, as she is ticketed already in economy. So, it's clear that you haven't fully thought this through.

Can you require nanny to watch your child the entire flight in economy while you and your husband are in business class? Yes, you can. And you can also start looking for a new nanny when you return.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 12:26     Subject: Re:Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here with more explanation for why we are even asking this question in the first place. For domestic trips there is no question everyone would fly together. For this specific international trip, there is literally a $10k difference to have DD and nanny in economy vs in business. That's just hard to swallow for a 2 year old (who is just now too old to be a lap child), and we were wondering if this could in any way be an acceptable way to help defray the cost of flights.


OP, I'm sorry, I know this hurts.

The only acceptable ways of building out this trip are:

1. Everyone sits together in whatever class, nanny works to take care of the child during the trip, or

2. Family (including your child) in business/first, nanny in coach. You take care of your child during the flight. Nanny does not work during the trip.


Hypothetical here ... let's say OP advertised for someone to watch her child during the flight, and paid accordingly. Someone applied, and got hired for the job. How is it different, just because the nanny is already on the payroll?

I agree that it reinforces a power/class differential. But that differential exists. The relationship is employer/employee. Maybe one day the nanny will work for wealthier people with a private plane. Maybe one day she will have enough money to fly business class and hire someone to watch her squirmy toddler.

As long as the nanny understands that it's a work day, I don't see the problem, or why there should be hurt feelings. OP, just be up front with her about why you're doing it this way, and don't sell it to her as a fabulous trip or something.


I don't see a problem that employers fly business and staff flies economy, I think the problem is that the child is with nanny in economy.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 11:37     Subject: Re:Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here with more explanation for why we are even asking this question in the first place. For domestic trips there is no question everyone would fly together. For this specific international trip, there is literally a $10k difference to have DD and nanny in economy vs in business. That's just hard to swallow for a 2 year old (who is just now too old to be a lap child), and we were wondering if this could in any way be an acceptable way to help defray the cost of flights.


OP, I'm sorry, I know this hurts.

The only acceptable ways of building out this trip are:

1. Everyone sits together in whatever class, nanny works to take care of the child during the trip, or

2. Family (including your child) in business/first, nanny in coach. You take care of your child during the flight. Nanny does not work during the trip.


Hypothetical here ... let's say OP advertised for someone to watch her child during the flight, and paid accordingly. Someone applied, and got hired for the job. How is it different, just because the nanny is already on the payroll?

I agree that it reinforces a power/class differential. But that differential exists. The relationship is employer/employee. Maybe one day the nanny will work for wealthier people with a private plane. Maybe one day she will have enough money to fly business class and hire someone to watch her squirmy toddler.

As long as the nanny understands that it's a work day, I don't see the problem, or why there should be hurt feelings. OP, just be up front with her about why you're doing it this way, and don't sell it to her as a fabulous trip or something.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2017 11:30     Subject: Re:Flying with Nanny
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here with more explanation for why we are even asking this question in the first place. For domestic trips there is no question everyone would fly together. For this specific international trip, there is literally a $10k difference to have DD and nanny in economy vs in business. That's just hard to swallow for a 2 year old (who is just now too old to be a lap child), and we were wondering if this could in any way be an acceptable way to help defray the cost of flights.


OP, I'm sorry, I know this hurts.

The only acceptable ways of building out this trip are:

1. Everyone sits together in whatever class, nanny works to take care of the child during the trip, or

2. Family (including your child) in business/first, nanny in coach. You take care of your child during the flight. Nanny does not work during the flight.