Anonymous
02/20/2016 13:20
Subject: Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny candidate will have to adjust her rate to what the market pays in her new town for the job requirements. I would not hire a candidate who took a significant pay cut from her last position because I would feel like they wouldn't be satisfied in the long run. My current nanny has been with us a long time and, as a result, she is very well-compensated with pay and a full benefits package. It is worth it to us to pay her above market since she knows us and our needs so well that with the three adults working together, our household runs almost seamlessly. However, this would not be the case with a new nanny and she could also not command such a rich comp package if she was to move into a similar new position tomorrow.
Dream on. She earns a decent rate because her skills command that rate.
No smart person accepts lower pay for the same sort of job.
No dreaming necessary. She told me so herself.
How would she know? My actual experience is the opposite.
Her contacts. She has a wide network of friends and colleagues.
Apparently not wide enough, imo.
I'll have to take her word for it since she knows her qualifications and lives in our area and you don't.
Anonymous
02/19/2016 18:23
Subject: Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny candidate will have to adjust her rate to what the market pays in her new town for the job requirements. I would not hire a candidate who took a significant pay cut from her last position because I would feel like they wouldn't be satisfied in the long run. My current nanny has been with us a long time and, as a result, she is very well-compensated with pay and a full benefits package. It is worth it to us to pay her above market since she knows us and our needs so well that with the three adults working together, our household runs almost seamlessly. However, this would not be the case with a new nanny and she could also not command such a rich comp package if she was to move into a similar new position tomorrow.
Dream on. She earns a decent rate because her skills command that rate.
No smart person accepts lower pay for the same sort of job.
No dreaming necessary. She told me so herself.
How would she know? My actual experience is the opposite.
Her contacts. She has a wide network of friends and colleagues.
Apparently not wide enough, imo.
Anonymous
02/19/2016 18:07
Subject: Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny candidate will have to adjust her rate to what the market pays in her new town for the job requirements. I would not hire a candidate who took a significant pay cut from her last position because I would feel like they wouldn't be satisfied in the long run. My current nanny has been with us a long time and, as a result, she is very well-compensated with pay and a full benefits package. It is worth it to us to pay her above market since she knows us and our needs so well that with the three adults working together, our household runs almost seamlessly. However, this would not be the case with a new nanny and she could also not command such a rich comp package if she was to move into a similar new position tomorrow.
Dream on. She earns a decent rate because her skills command that rate.
No smart person accepts lower pay for the same sort of job.
No dreaming necessary. She told me so herself.
How would she know? My actual experience is the opposite.
Her contacts. She has a wide network of friends and colleagues.
Anonymous
02/18/2016 15:17
Subject: Re:Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, are you able to match the nannies request but want to know what value you get for the higher pay? Or, are you convinced that the nanny is overpriced for the market and want to set her straight? Only in the first instance would there be any legitimate reason for you to continue this conversation.
If she thinks the job will include cleaning the entire house, doing all laundry, and making all meals, then I would consider the rate. It seems like that's what she did previously and now has in mind. It's not what I am asking for, but I want to understand what she is offering.
That's a housekeeping position, not a house manager position. A house manager position involves handling the household budget, paying bills, scheduling and paying maintenance, landscaping/mowing/shoveling. A house manager can certainly command that rate, but it's doubtful that a housekeeper would.
In the nanny world, that's a Household Manager. You're describing what the role might be in a fully (or more generously) staffed house. Most Household Manager positions are essentially SAHM positions; the "management" part is that the person in the role takes all of the decision-making and scheduling work off the employers' hands, too, so is figuring out what needs doing as well as doing in, planning menus, keeping on top of everyone's schedules, that sort of thing.
Actually you are both correct, our industry here in America does not have standard descriptions to Domestic positions. There are groups like INA and DEMA trying to standardize the industry but it has not happened and there is little point in debating the subject. The OP is making her case and her candidate is making hers, the OP can say she is not going to meet the price and the candidate does not want to lower hers. Sounds like to me that if they are this much at ODDS chances are it would not work out as the match is doomed already.
Anonymous
02/18/2016 09:28
Subject: Re:Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, are you able to match the nannies request but want to know what value you get for the higher pay? Or, are you convinced that the nanny is overpriced for the market and want to set her straight? Only in the first instance would there be any legitimate reason for you to continue this conversation.
If she thinks the job will include cleaning the entire house, doing all laundry, and making all meals, then I would consider the rate. It seems like that's what she did previously and now has in mind. It's not what I am asking for, but I want to understand what she is offering.
That's a housekeeping position, not a house manager position. A house manager position involves handling the household budget, paying bills, scheduling and paying maintenance, landscaping/mowing/shoveling. A house manager can certainly command that rate, but it's doubtful that a housekeeper would.
In the nanny world, that's a Household Manager. You're describing what the role might be in a fully (or more generously) staffed house. Most Household Manager positions are essentially SAHM positions; the "management" part is that the person in the role takes all of the decision-making and scheduling work off the employers' hands, too, so is figuring out what needs doing as well as doing in, planning menus, keeping on top of everyone's schedules, that sort of thing.
Anonymous
02/18/2016 06:11
Subject: Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny candidate will have to adjust her rate to what the market pays in her new town for the job requirements. I would not hire a candidate who took a significant pay cut from her last position because I would feel like they wouldn't be satisfied in the long run. My current nanny has been with us a long time and, as a result, she is very well-compensated with pay and a full benefits package. It is worth it to us to pay her above market since she knows us and our needs so well that with the three adults working together, our household runs almost seamlessly. However, this would not be the case with a new nanny and she could also not command such a rich comp package if she was to move into a similar new position tomorrow.
Dream on. She earns a decent rate because her skills command that rate.
No smart person accepts lower pay for the same sort of job.
No dreaming necessary. She told me so herself.
How would she know? My actual experience is the opposite.
Anonymous
02/18/2016 02:40
Subject: Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny candidate will have to adjust her rate to what the market pays in her new town for the job requirements. I would not hire a candidate who took a significant pay cut from her last position because I would feel like they wouldn't be satisfied in the long run. My current nanny has been with us a long time and, as a result, she is very well-compensated with pay and a full benefits package. It is worth it to us to pay her above market since she knows us and our needs so well that with the three adults working together, our household runs almost seamlessly. However, this would not be the case with a new nanny and she could also not command such a rich comp package if she was to move into a similar new position tomorrow.
Dream on. She earns a decent rate because her skills command that rate.
No smart person accepts lower pay for the same sort of job.
No dreaming necessary. She told me so herself.
Anonymous
02/16/2016 23:55
Subject: Re:Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, are you able to match the nannies request but want to know what value you get for the higher pay? Or, are you convinced that the nanny is overpriced for the market and want to set her straight? Only in the first instance would there be any legitimate reason for you to continue this conversation.
If she thinks the job will include cleaning the entire house, doing all laundry, and making all meals, then I would consider the rate. It seems like that's what she did previously and now has in mind. It's not what I am asking for, but I want to understand what she is offering.
Sorry, but you're stupid if you think a nanny would do that.
I wasn't asking for or advertising for that! It's what SHE appears to be expecting to do and this be paid a high rate.
Why did you want her?
Anonymous
02/16/2016 21:17
Subject: Re:Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, are you able to match the nannies request but want to know what value you get for the higher pay? Or, are you convinced that the nanny is overpriced for the market and want to set her straight? Only in the first instance would there be any legitimate reason for you to continue this conversation.
If she thinks the job will include cleaning the entire house, doing all laundry, and making all meals, then I would consider the rate. It seems like that's what she did previously and now has in mind. It's not what I am asking for, but I want to understand what she is offering.
Sorry, but you're stupid if you think a nanny would do that.
I wasn't asking for or advertising for that! It's what SHE appears to be expecting to do and this be paid a high rate.
Anonymous
02/16/2016 20:09
Subject: Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny candidate will have to adjust her rate to what the market pays in her new town for the job requirements. I would not hire a candidate who took a significant pay cut from her last position because I would feel like they wouldn't be satisfied in the long run. My current nanny has been with us a long time and, as a result, she is very well-compensated with pay and a full benefits package. It is worth it to us to pay her above market since she knows us and our needs so well that with the three adults working together, our household runs almost seamlessly. However, this would not be the case with a new nanny and she could also not command such a rich comp package if she was to move into a similar new position tomorrow.
Dream on. She earns a decent rate because her skills command that rate.
No smart person accepts lower pay for the same sort of job.
I wonder how long she'll be looking. I suspect a while before settling for no more than $25/hr.
Fewer people can afford higher rates, so of course it'll take longer than your average nanny with her average rates.
Most of us can't afford to be out of work for long.
Most of us with specialized experience (homeschooling, managing a house or estate, intensive tutoring, etc) have money put aside so that we can spend months looking for the next position.
Anonymous
02/16/2016 20:08
Subject: Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny candidate will have to adjust her rate to what the market pays in her new town for the job requirements. I would not hire a candidate who took a significant pay cut from her last position because I would feel like they wouldn't be satisfied in the long run. My current nanny has been with us a long time and, as a result, she is very well-compensated with pay and a full benefits package. It is worth it to us to pay her above market since she knows us and our needs so well that with the three adults working together, our household runs almost seamlessly. However, this would not be the case with a new nanny and she could also not command such a rich comp package if she was to move into a similar new position tomorrow.
Dream on. She earns a decent rate because her skills command that rate.
No smart person accepts lower pay for the same sort of job.
I wonder how long she'll be looking. I suspect a while before settling for no more than $25/hr.
Fewer people can afford higher rates, so of course it'll take longer than your average nanny with her average rates.
Most of us can't afford to be out of work for long.
I found my $25/hr job while being paid close to half that. It certainly didn't happen overnight, but I was in no hurry.
Anonymous
02/16/2016 20:07
Subject: Re:Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, are you able to match the nannies request but want to know what value you get for the higher pay? Or, are you convinced that the nanny is overpriced for the market and want to set her straight? Only in the first instance would there be any legitimate reason for you to continue this conversation.
If she thinks the job will include cleaning the entire house, doing all laundry, and making all meals, then I would consider the rate. It seems like that's what she did previously and now has in mind. It's not what I am asking for, but I want to understand what she is offering.
That's a housekeeping position, not a house manager position. A house manager position involves handling the household budget, paying bills, scheduling and paying maintenance, landscaping/mowing/shoveling. A house manager can certainly command that rate, but it's doubtful that a housekeeper would.
Anonymous
02/16/2016 20:01
Subject: Re:Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, are you able to match the nannies request but want to know what value you get for the higher pay? Or, are you convinced that the nanny is overpriced for the market and want to set her straight? Only in the first instance would there be any legitimate reason for you to continue this conversation.
If she thinks the job will include cleaning the entire house, doing all laundry, and making all meals, then I would consider the rate. It seems like that's what she did previously and now has in mind. It's not what I am asking for, but I want to understand what she is offering.
Sorry, but you're stupid if you think a nanny would do that.
Anonymous
02/16/2016 19:42
Subject: Re:Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
Anonymous wrote:OP, are you able to match the nannies request but want to know what value you get for the higher pay? Or, are you convinced that the nanny is overpriced for the market and want to set her straight? Only in the first instance would there be any legitimate reason for you to continue this conversation.
If she thinks the job will include cleaning the entire house, doing all laundry, and making all meals, then I would consider the rate. It seems like that's what she did previously and now has in mind. It's not what I am asking for, but I want to understand what she is offering.
Anonymous
02/16/2016 19:20
Subject: Re:Nanny candidate thinks prior job determines current pay
OP, are you able to match the nannies request but want to know what value you get for the higher pay? Or, are you convinced that the nanny is overpriced for the market and want to set her straight? Only in the first instance would there be any legitimate reason for you to continue this conversation.