Anonymous
10/14/2015 07:29
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
lAnonymous wrote:Or maybe it is true:
Also from the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/news/updated-vaccine-effectiveness-2014-15.htm):
When VE against all influenza viruses was combined, the overall VE estimate was 19% (95% CI: 7%– 29%). In practical terms, this means the flu vaccine reduced a person’s risk of having to seek medical care at a doctor’s office for flu illness by 19%.
I never get this junk again,never...
Anonymous
10/13/2015 23:01
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Wow...How did a four-letter titled post get so political??
Anonymous
10/13/2015 22:57
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Upon hire, did you mandate that she was to have this done annually?
Anyway, I am a Nanny & my bosses request I receive a flu shot each year. While it can be a pain to get (no pun intended here), I do it for the sake of the child I care so much about.
There are some people who have issues w/shots. I do not agree w/their views, I wholeheartedly believe in vaccines, esp. when it comes to young children.
If she won't get the shot, then you have every right to find a Nanny who will.
You will be your baby's only true advocate for his/her health so if your current Nanny refuses to comply, you can always just let her go.
I would.
Good luck.
Do they pay for you to get flu shot?
PP Here:
Well first I am going to see if I can get my health insurance to cover it, but if that doesn't work, then yes, by all means they will reimburse me if I end up having to pay up-front for it. I wouldn't have paid it out of my own pocket since I live alone (my kids are grown). I am only getting it done for them.
Anonymous
10/13/2015 14:27
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Wtf who calls any person a spade? PP present some citations or GTFO.
OP I used to decline flu shots. This summer I sat down and really read the science; this year I had gotten mine by early September. She sounds stupid to claim the shot makes her sick - it absolutely does not. You are about to add a new baby, right? Perfect time to sit down and rewrite your contract anyway as there will be a different division of duties. Add vaccinations in this time. She can decide whether to stay or not, but I would let a nanny go over this - and I'm a nanny. Absolutely could not bear to risk that with a newborn.
OP I used to decline flu shots. This summer I sat down and really read the science; this year I had gotten mine by early September. She sounds stupid to claim the shot makes her sick - it absolutely does not. You are about to add a new baby, right? Perfect time to sit down and rewrite your contract anyway as there will be a different division of duties. Add vaccinations in this time. She can decide whether to stay or not, but I would let a nanny go over this - and I'm a nanny. Absolutely could not bear to risk that with a newborn.
Anonymous
10/13/2015 13:29
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are stupid enough (yes stupid) to think that vaccinations somehow weaken the immune system or cause illness, you have no business working with children.
This argument is just absurd.
If you coincidentally get sick the year, or the week, after you get the flu shot, that is all it is, COINCIDENCE. Do some research, stop using your own anecdotal references as some sort of actual fact.
+ 100. Nanny here ( already posted). I'm so sick of uneducated people saying vaccines are ineffective or lead to illness. They have no business being a nanny of they are unwilling to be vaccinated. I will never work for family that doesn't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Signed - A nanny and future pharmacist.
The two of you cheapen your argument with name calling.
TO the future pharmacist I hope your offline personality is far better than your online one- you'll come into contact with many people who do not share your views as a pharmacist , and you won't last long in your job if you call them all stupid.
+1 I was on board until you repeated the word "stupid". *cringe*
I'm inclined to call a spade a spade. Apologies if it offends
THis is off topic, but that phrase (bolded) is also considered a racial slur. Just so you know when you might be offending someone if you choose to... It's in the same category as using "gypped" or "sell someone down the river".
Sorry to get even more off topic, but this is not true. The term dates back to early Greek confusion over the words for the noun "spade," trough or basin and the verb "to dig." The term "spade" was not used in a racial context until hundreds of years later.
To be more on topic, I side with the pro-vaxxers here
Sure, it may date to then, however it became a slur and is considered offensive by at least some african americans I know. Not all perhaps, but enough, just as with the other examples and many other colloquially used phrases.
Anonymous
10/13/2015 12:49
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
There's a huge difference between getting a Tdap booster which anyone who works with kids should have, and getting a flu shot which is primarily recommended for children and seniors. Not people who work with children and seniors, but for children and seniors themselves. All you paranoid people running around getting vaccinated when you don't need to be and probably shouldn't be, are creating the shortages so the people who actually need them don't have access or have to wait an extra long time. Knock it off with your paranoia already.
Anonymous
10/13/2015 12:46
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are stupid enough (yes stupid) to think that vaccinations somehow weaken the immune system or cause illness, you have no business working with children.
This argument is just absurd.
If you coincidentally get sick the year, or the week, after you get the flu shot, that is all it is, COINCIDENCE. Do some research, stop using your own anecdotal references as some sort of actual fact.
+ 100. Nanny here ( already posted). I'm so sick of uneducated people saying vaccines are ineffective or lead to illness. They have no business being a nanny of they are unwilling to be vaccinated. I will never work for family that doesn't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Signed - A nanny and future pharmacist.
The two of you cheapen your argument with name calling.
TO the future pharmacist I hope your offline personality is far better than your online one- you'll come into contact with many people who do not share your views as a pharmacist , and you won't last long in your job if you call them all stupid.
+1 I was on board until you repeated the word "stupid". *cringe*
I'm inclined to call a spade a spade. Apologies if it offends
THis is off topic, but that phrase (bolded) is also considered a racial slur. Just so you know when you might be offending someone if you choose to... It's in the same category as using "gypped" or "sell someone down the river".
Sorry to get even more off topic, but this is not true. The term dates back to early Greek confusion over the words for the noun "spade," trough or basin and the verb "to dig." The term "spade" was not used in a racial context until hundreds of years later.
To be more on topic, I side with the pro-vaxxers here
I've never heard of spade used in a racial context ever learn something new everyday.
Anonymous
10/13/2015 12:44
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are stupid enough (yes stupid) to think that vaccinations somehow weaken the immune system or cause illness, you have no business working with children.
This argument is just absurd.
If you coincidentally get sick the year, or the week, after you get the flu shot, that is all it is, COINCIDENCE. Do some research, stop using your own anecdotal references as some sort of actual fact.
+ 100. Nanny here ( already posted). I'm so sick of uneducated people saying vaccines are ineffective or lead to illness. They have no business being a nanny of they are unwilling to be vaccinated. I will never work for family that doesn't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Signed - A nanny and future pharmacist.
The two of you cheapen your argument with name calling.
TO the future pharmacist I hope your offline personality is far better than your online one- you'll come into contact with many people who do not share your views as a pharmacist , and you won't last long in your job if you call them all stupid.
+1 I was on board until you repeated the word "stupid". *cringe*
I'm inclined to call a spade a spade. Apologies if it offends
THis is off topic, but that phrase (bolded) is also considered a racial slur. Just so you know when you might be offending someone if you choose to... It's in the same category as using "gypped" or "sell someone down the river".
Sorry to get even more off topic, but this is not true. The term dates back to early Greek confusion over the words for the noun "spade," trough or basin and the verb "to dig." The term "spade" was not used in a racial context until hundreds of years later.
To be more on topic, I side with the pro-vaxxers here
Anonymous
10/13/2015 11:17
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are stupid enough (yes stupid) to think that vaccinations somehow weaken the immune system or cause illness, you have no business working with children.
This argument is just absurd.
If you coincidentally get sick the year, or the week, after you get the flu shot, that is all it is, COINCIDENCE. Do some research, stop using your own anecdotal references as some sort of actual fact.
+ 100. Nanny here ( already posted). I'm so sick of uneducated people saying vaccines are ineffective or lead to illness. They have no business being a nanny of they are unwilling to be vaccinated. I will never work for family that doesn't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Signed - A nanny and future pharmacist.
The two of you cheapen your argument with name calling.
TO the future pharmacist I hope your offline personality is far better than your online one- you'll come into contact with many people who do not share your views as a pharmacist , and you won't last long in your job if you call them all stupid.
+1 I was on board until you repeated the word "stupid". *cringe*
I'm inclined to call a spade a spade. Apologies if it offends
THis is off topic, but that phrase (bolded) is also considered a racial slur. Just so you know when you might be offending someone if you choose to... It's in the same category as using "gypped" or "sell someone down the river".
Anonymous
10/13/2015 11:14
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are stupid enough (yes stupid) to think that vaccinations somehow weaken the immune system or cause illness, you have no business working with children.
This argument is just absurd.
If you coincidentally get sick the year, or the week, after you get the flu shot, that is all it is, COINCIDENCE. Do some research, stop using your own anecdotal references as some sort of actual fact.
+ 100. Nanny here ( already posted). I'm so sick of uneducated people saying vaccines are ineffective or lead to illness. They have no business being a nanny of they are unwilling to be vaccinated. I will never work for family that doesn't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Signed - A nanny and future pharmacist.
The two of you cheapen your argument with name calling.
TO the future pharmacist I hope your offline personality is far better than your online one- you'll come into contact with many people who do not share your views as a pharmacist , and you won't last long in your job if you call them all stupid.
+1 I was on board until you repeated the word "stupid". *cringe*
I'm inclined to call a spade a spade. Apologies if it offends
Offend no. I have a tendency to agree with your views on vaccination. I understand the subject quite well you see I put myself through undergrad ( degree in microbiology) while working as a nanny, and now work part time as a a nanny while I pursue my masters in epidemiology.
I've learned you are more likely to get people to hear your views if you don't insult them first.
I work in primary and acute pediatric care. I see the people who refuse to vaccinate and then I see the children that get sick because of them. I do not insult people to their face (though there are plenty of times I wish I could) but there are arenas in which people need to be called what they are; this is one of them. To refuse to vaccinate, for the flu, Tdap, whatever else your NF/job is requiring when you will be working with vulnerable populations, is just plain stupid. I'm sick of people sugarcoating this issue and trying to be "respectful" of individual decisions, not vaccinating is a decision that impacts everyone. Why are we letting people off the hook for this!
Anonymous
10/13/2015 10:54
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are stupid enough (yes stupid) to think that vaccinations somehow weaken the immune system or cause illness, you have no business working with children.
This argument is just absurd.
If you coincidentally get sick the year, or the week, after you get the flu shot, that is all it is, COINCIDENCE. Do some research, stop using your own anecdotal references as some sort of actual fact.
+ 100. Nanny here ( already posted). I'm so sick of uneducated people saying vaccines are ineffective or lead to illness. They have no business being a nanny of they are unwilling to be vaccinated. I will never work for family that doesn't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Signed - A nanny and future pharmacist.
The two of you cheapen your argument with name calling.
TO the future pharmacist I hope your offline personality is far better than your online one- you'll come into contact with many people who do not share your views as a pharmacist , and you won't last long in your job if you call them all stupid.
+1 I was on board until you repeated the word "stupid". *cringe*
I'm inclined to call a spade a spade. Apologies if it offends
Offend no. I have a tendency to agree with your views on vaccination. I understand the subject quite well you see I put myself through undergrad ( degree in microbiology) while working as a nanny, and now work part time as a a nanny while I pursue my masters in epidemiology.
I've learned you are more likely to get people to hear your views if you don't insult them first.
Anonymous
10/13/2015 10:50
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are stupid enough (yes stupid) to think that vaccinations somehow weaken the immune system or cause illness, you have no business working with children.
This argument is just absurd.
If you coincidentally get sick the year, or the week, after you get the flu shot, that is all it is, COINCIDENCE. Do some research, stop using your own anecdotal references as some sort of actual fact.
+ 100. Nanny here ( already posted). I'm so sick of uneducated people saying vaccines are ineffective or lead to illness. They have no business being a nanny of they are unwilling to be vaccinated. I will never work for family that doesn't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Signed - A nanny and future pharmacist.
The two of you cheapen your argument with name calling.
TO the future pharmacist I hope your offline personality is far better than your online one- you'll come into contact with many people who do not share your views as a pharmacist , and you won't last long in your job if you call them all stupid.
Too bad -- they are all stupid. Anti-vaxers should all be sterilized or live on Amish farms.
Not wanting to get the flu shot does not make one anti axes.
Adults have the right to choose what they put in their bodies. Just sat the MB who is the op has the right to request the person caring for her kid get the flu shot.
Anonymous
10/13/2015 10:25
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are stupid enough (yes stupid) to think that vaccinations somehow weaken the immune system or cause illness, you have no business working with children.
This argument is just absurd.
If you coincidentally get sick the year, or the week, after you get the flu shot, that is all it is, COINCIDENCE. Do some research, stop using your own anecdotal references as some sort of actual fact.
+ 100. Nanny here ( already posted). I'm so sick of uneducated people saying vaccines are ineffective or lead to illness. They have no business being a nanny of they are unwilling to be vaccinated. I will never work for family that doesn't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Signed - A nanny and future pharmacist.
The two of you cheapen your argument with name calling.
TO the future pharmacist I hope your offline personality is far better than your online one- you'll come into contact with many people who do not share your views as a pharmacist , and you won't last long in your job if you call them all stupid.
+1 I was on board until you repeated the word "stupid". *cringe*
I'm inclined to call a spade a spade. Apologies if it offends
Anonymous
10/13/2015 10:00
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
I'm pretty sure that peds are still recommending that anyone who will be in regular, sustained contact with a newborn should be up-to-date on the TDaP and the flu shot/mist. I'd talk to your pediatrician. If the ped recommends that the nanny get the flu shot, then tell the nanny that, per your pediatrician's advice, she gets the flu shot/mist. If she refuses, give her the notice provided for in your contract. She makes her choice, you make yours.
Anonymous
10/13/2015 09:40
Subject: Nanny refusing flu shot
Anonymous wrote:Let me preface this by stating that I'm a firm believer in vaccinations.
That being said, some people do have severe and unusual reactions to them. My niece almost died from a (verified by a team of doctors) reaction to the DTaP vaccine. Due to the severity of her reaction, she will never receive another DTaP, so she did not receive the full series. After that experience my brother and sister in law with her team of specialists have had to weigh the risks and benefits of each vaccination for her. At this point, they choose to skip the flu vaccine because it's not worth the risk.
My point is that there are complex situations with vaccinations and not everyone who doesn't vaccinate is uneducated or stupid.
This nanny says she gets the flu when she gets the shot. She did not say she has a compromised immune system or an allergy.