Anonymous
03/31/2015 12:34
Subject: NNTD or INA
I am curious to hear your feedback about the INA's Nanny Employer Handbook?
http://nanny.org/ina-nanny-employer-handbook/
How could the INA use this tool better to educate families on the fair treatment of nannies and the safety and wellbeing of their children?
http://nanny.org/ina-nanny-employer-handbook/
How could the INA use this tool better to educate families on the fair treatment of nannies and the safety and wellbeing of their children?
Anonymous
02/22/2015 19:39
Subject: NNTD or INA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nannies will be considered unskilled labor until there is a standard entry point and education level to the field. Hasn't happened yet, probably won't happen, and many many nannies are stubbornly against any sort of formalized entry point that would allow for the unskilled labor tag to be dropped.
At the same time many want to be seen as professionals.
The end result is pseudo professionalism multiple agencies , organizations and training sessions that take money from nannies but do very little to further the profession. These organizations can get away with it
I don't think INA shares its finances with its membership (isn't it a legal non-profit?) but I suspect it has a very big account, considering what it charges for membership, not to mention lots of additional avenues of income.
Anonymous wrote:INA provides it's members a financial report every year at the annual meeting. No secrets there I'm afraid.
Why hasn't INA taken the lead on the unskilled nanny problem? Shouldn't it be a priority for their nannies to have basic employment protections?
Anonymous wrote:INA has consistently advocated for the professional treatment of the nanny and family employment relationship. In 2013 they published the Nanny Employer Handbook to articulate the standards to the population. Have you read that?
In every state (NY, CA, MD) where domestic workers have won employment protections, nanny agencies have never supported their efforts. I know some agencies have told their nannies not to
participate. If this information is wrong, please enlighten us.
Anonymous wrote:Individual nanny agencies and the INA are not always on the same page. In California the first two efforts at a bill of rights were opposed because they required paid, OFF DUTY, meal and rest breaks for nannies. Fortunately that was dropped in the 3rd version. Seriously, do you believe a MB or DB is going to come home 3x a day to give you 2 10 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch. Hell no that would have crushed nanny employment, the middle class nanny employers would have moved their children to day care.
Anonymous
02/21/2015 19:25
Subject: NNTD or INA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nannies will be considered unskilled labor until there is a standard entry point and education level to the field. Hasn't happened yet, probably won't happen, and many many nannies are stubbornly against any sort of formalized entry point that would allow for the unskilled labor tag to be dropped.
At the same time many want to be seen as professionals.
The end result is pseudo professionalism multiple agencies , organizations and training sessions that take money from nannies but do very little to further the profession. These organizations can get away with it
I don't think INA shares its finances with its membership (isn't it a legal non-profit?) but I suspect it has a very big account, considering what it charges for membership, not to mention lots of additional avenues of income.
Anonymous wrote:INA provides it's members a financial report every year at the annual meeting. No secrets there I'm afraid.
Why hasn't INA taken the lead on the unskilled nanny problem? Shouldn't it be a priority for their nannies to have basic employment protections?
Anonymous wrote:INA has consistently advocated for the professional treatment of the nanny and family employment relationship. In 2013 they published the Nanny Employer Handbook to articulate the standards to the population. Have you read that?
In every state (NY, CA, MD) where domestic workers have won employment protections, nanny agencies have never supported their efforts. I know some agencies have told their nannies not to participate. If this information is wrong, please enlighten us.
Anonymous wrote:Individual nanny agencies and the INA are not always on the same page. In California the first two efforts at a bill of rights were opposed because they required paid, OFF DUTY, meal and rest breaks for nannies. Fortunately that was dropped in the 3rd version. Seriously, do you believe a MB or DB is going to come home 3x a day to give you 2 10 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch. Hell no that would have crushed nanny employment, the middle class nanny employers would have moved their children to day care.
Anonymous
02/21/2015 19:17
Subject: NNTD or INA
It's not in the interest of agencies to support more rights for nannies.
An agencies priority is to make money. They do this by acting as head hunters for parents.
The more rules and regulations there are the fewer people will be interested in hiring a nanny when they can just as easily send their child to a great daycare or have family look after the kids for a fraction of the cost.
Fewer parents = less business for agencies.
They nanny field is a complicated one. While I agree that nannies should be treated like human beings it can be difficult to enforce all the same rights a person in another field has for nannies. This because we are directly tied to the personal lives of others.
The right of the parent to have their child cared for how they see fit by whom they see fit trumps all.
An agencies priority is to make money. They do this by acting as head hunters for parents.
The more rules and regulations there are the fewer people will be interested in hiring a nanny when they can just as easily send their child to a great daycare or have family look after the kids for a fraction of the cost.
Fewer parents = less business for agencies.
They nanny field is a complicated one. While I agree that nannies should be treated like human beings it can be difficult to enforce all the same rights a person in another field has for nannies. This because we are directly tied to the personal lives of others.
The right of the parent to have their child cared for how they see fit by whom they see fit trumps all.
Anonymous
02/21/2015 18:20
Subject: NNTD or INA
Anonymous wrote:Nannies will be considered unskilled labor until there is a standard entry point and education level to the field. Hasn't happened yet, probably won't happen, and many many nannies are stubbornly against any sort of formalized entry point that would allow for the unskilled labor tag to be dropped.
At the same time many want to be seen as professionals.
The end result is pseudo professionalism multiple agencies , organizations and training sessions that take money from nannies but do very little to further the profession. These organizations can get away with it
I don't think INA shares its finances with its membership (isn't it a legal non-profit?) but I suspect it has a very big account, considering what it charges for membership, not to mention lots of additional avenues of income.
Why hasn't INA taken the lead on the unskilled nanny problem? Shouldn't it be a priority for their nannies to have basic employment protections?
In every state (NY, CA, MD) where domestic workers have won employment protections, nanny agencies have never supported their efforts. I know some agencies have told their nannies not to participate. If this information is wrong, please enlighten us.
Anonymous
02/21/2015 17:54
Subject: NNTD or INA
Nannies will be considered unskilled labor until there is a standard entry point and education level to the field. Hasn't happened yet, probably won't happen, and many many nannies are stubbornly against any sort of formalized entry point that would allow for the unskilled labor tag to be dropped.
At the same time many want to be seen as professionals.
The end result is pseudo professionalism multiple agencies , organizations and training sessions that take money from nannies but do very little to further the profession. These organizations can get away with it
At the same time many want to be seen as professionals.
The end result is pseudo professionalism multiple agencies , organizations and training sessions that take money from nannies but do very little to further the profession. These organizations can get away with it
Anonymous
02/21/2015 17:40
Subject: NNTD or INA
Anonymous wrote:INA is perfect for submissive type nannies who kiss-up to the agencies. That's why their nannies have essentially zero representation. Is there any hope?
We know a couple of nannies have board positions, but as far as the bigger picture is concerned, INA nannies are silent.
For instance, seeing that INA is supposed to have a legislative arm, why are nannies still legally "unskilled" labor? That's why nannies don't have basic employment protections. Tell your boss you're having a baby, and you can kiss that job goodbye. Poor nannies are living in the dark ages.
Thanks, INA. Do you even care about nannies?
Anonymous
02/21/2015 17:06
Subject: NNTD or INA
INA is perfect for submissive type nannies who kiss-up to the agencies. That's why their nannies have essentially zero representation. Is there any hope?
Anonymous
02/21/2015 13:03
Subject: NNTD or INA
NNTD seems to be losing its fire
nannydebsays
02/20/2015 15:30
Subject: NNTD or INA
For a nanny that has the funds and the time, INA is a terrific option. They have a large budget for speakers, and the conference is usually very beneficial.
For nannies with limited time and funds, a local NNTD event is the way to go. As a volunteer organizer, I can tell you I try to line up terrific speakers, but we are working with NO budget unless local agencies sponsor the day, and even then, our budget is limited.
Some great speakers want $200+ for 3 hours of their time (including travel), and since the purpose of NNTD is AFFORDABLE nanny education, trying to keep ticket prices low is our goal. So we have to make hard choices - Pay $200 for a speaker who will talk for an hour, and charge more than $50 per ticket, or find low/no cost speakers and charge less than $35 per ticket.
The numbers just don't work. 5 - 8 speakers at $200+ each, plus space rental, plus supplies, plus food...we'd be looking at $2500 out of pocket costs, and hoping we sell 50 $50 tickets just to break even. Not many organizer nannies are willing to front that kind of money and possibly lose it. So we find lower cost speakers, and provide the best training we can afford at less than $35/ticket for 30+ nannies.
For nannies with limited time and funds, a local NNTD event is the way to go. As a volunteer organizer, I can tell you I try to line up terrific speakers, but we are working with NO budget unless local agencies sponsor the day, and even then, our budget is limited.
Some great speakers want $200+ for 3 hours of their time (including travel), and since the purpose of NNTD is AFFORDABLE nanny education, trying to keep ticket prices low is our goal. So we have to make hard choices - Pay $200 for a speaker who will talk for an hour, and charge more than $50 per ticket, or find low/no cost speakers and charge less than $35 per ticket.
The numbers just don't work. 5 - 8 speakers at $200+ each, plus space rental, plus supplies, plus food...we'd be looking at $2500 out of pocket costs, and hoping we sell 50 $50 tickets just to break even. Not many organizer nannies are willing to front that kind of money and possibly lose it. So we find lower cost speakers, and provide the best training we can afford at less than $35/ticket for 30+ nannies.
Anonymous
02/20/2015 14:07
Subject: NNTD or INA
Anonymous wrote:I've attended both INA conferences and NNTD the last two years.
I've enjoyed both INA conferences and thought the quality of speakers and workshops I attended were excellent. I also thought the networking opportunities at conference were really helpful to me when I was looking for a new job. I will not be attending this year only because the dates conflict with a family event I have to attend.
Sadly I was dissapointed with both NNTD's (in 2 separate major metro areas) that I attended. I thought they were both poorly planned and not very well thought out. It's dissapointing because I love the premise behind NNTD, but just feel like something is not working. There has to be a reason that the number of events is declining. For example, there isn't even one being held in Los Angeles anymore, which is a huge nanny market.
I too have attended both conferences in the past. INA in Los Angeles last year was fantastic - take a look at the speakers! All the INA board members volunteer - they don't get paid, I don't know where that idea came from. And $40 or so a year of dues is hardly anyone getting rich.
http://nanny.org/annual-conference/past-conferences/2014-annual-conference/2014-ina-annual-conference-speakers/
NNTD is totally volunteer coordinated too - the difference being I think that INA has bigger numbers and it's higher conference fees (for 2.5 days) allow them to hire speakers like Dr. Karp who don't come cheap. NNTD speakers are all volunteer, they even pay their transportation if they are out of town. That limits the quality of the speakers you have access to.
They are both good in different ways - depends on what you are looking for and how you want to up your game.