Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above. Nothing will ever be spelled out in any contract in any business 100%. Treating a stain on a child's clothing that was made by the nanny when she was feeding him is simple common sense. In the law profession it is called, "the spirit of the agreement". You clean up spilled food and that isn't in the contract either.

Cleaning up after the children usually is in the contract, so that covers spilled food. You could say it covers treating stains I suppose, but contract are always up for interpretation, and it sounds like OPs nanny drew a hard line at laundry duties, and she is choosing to hold firm to that line. The "spirit of the agreement" trope is how a lot of nannies end up doing things they never wanted or agreed to do.

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nannydebsays wrote:I am really truly not sure how my last post on 1/21 at around 19:30 is indicating that I think no one should ever help with anything.

"Yes, your Nanny has the right to decline additional duties. And you have the right to fire her for being stupid and shortsighted enough to refuse to help with child's laundry.

You: Nanny, I need you to take the time to spot treat and soak stained clothes.

Nanny: I don't want to do that.

You: (as soon as you have alternate care) Nanny, I am letting you go
a) because you are not fulfilling the terms of our work agreement that states you help with child laundry.
OR
b) because you are unwilling to add minor help with child's laundry to your duties.
Today is your last day.

No one is forcing anyone to retain the services of a Nanny too lazy to assist with laundry or anything else. YOU define the job parameters, and YOU are responsible for hiring someone willing to fulfill those duties."

Sincerely, Puzzled Nanny who has always and forever done kid laundry because it's a part of the job of being a nanny.

P.S. You might all fall over if you knew what my list of duties entails. So I find your collective crazy pretty hysterical.

This is the issue we collectively think is ridiculous. That treating a stain on your charge's clothes made when you, the nanny, were feeding him is an additional duty. Any more than cleaning up food he dropped on the floor when you were feeding him is considered an additional duty!

I'm sorry you cannot see that your statement is simply wrong and stop being so defensive.

Good grief you all are crazy and not so bright. Reading comprehension ladies. Work on it.

All that nannydeb was saying is that OPs nanny has the RIGHT to refuse anything not laid out in her contract. Nowhere did she say that she should, nowhere did she say OP was asking something out of line, and she even indicated that OP had every right to decide that this rigid nanny isn't for her. And I think we can all agree that OPs nanny is rigid and stupid.

A further example would be that many nanny contracts do not include dishes as a duty. I could certainly refuse to wash a single dish if I wanted to be a jerk, and that is my right in this lovely free country, where we are all free to be assholes and idiots. I however don't mind cleaning the dishes while I'm cleaning up lunch for the children, and because of that attitude I have a very flexible relationship with my nanny family.

Laundry is outside of this nanny's contract and she can refuse to do anything she damn well pleases. And OP can fire her ass. Lay off of nannydeb.

Not PP but now you are being stunningly defensive and childish with your ridiculous name calling. No one has reading comprehension issues, Angel.

I agree 100% with the earlier poster who said that if cleaning up spilled food from the floor (that your charge dropped while you were feeding him) wasn't a part of the nanny's contract, she would still be expected to do it. Same with treating stains on the child's clothes that were made when you were feeding him. It is COMMON SENSE.

For God's sake, just admit that you are wrong and get on with your life and careers!!! You are both wrong on this.

This was my first post on this thread, so not sure how I am being stunningly defensive. OPs nanny can refuse whatever she wants to refuse. That is the part you all don't seem to get. Yes it may be common sense. Yes it is totally reasonable to request. But it isn't in their agreement, and I wouldn't say that treating stains is the same things as cleaning up dropped food. Many people don't treat their clothes before washing them. Laundry is not part of my contract either, and my MB justs asks me to lay out any clothes that need to be treated, and she will take care of it. Of course I have no problem spraying the stains myself, and often do my charge's laundry to be helpful. OPs nanny is different, and it is her right to be lazy/rigid/stupid, whatever you want to call it.

I agree with the above. Nothing will ever be spelled out in any contract in any business 100%. Treating a stain on a child's clothing that was made by the nanny when she was feeding him is simple common sense. In the law profession it is called, "the spirit of the agreement". You clean up spilled food and that isn't in the contract either.

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nannydebsays wrote:I am really truly not sure how my last post on 1/21 at around 19:30 is indicating that I think no one should ever help with anything.

"Yes, your Nanny has the right to decline additional duties. And you have the right to fire her for being stupid and shortsighted enough to refuse to help with child's laundry.

You: Nanny, I need you to take the time to spot treat and soak stained clothes.

Nanny: I don't want to do that.

You: (as soon as you have alternate care) Nanny, I am letting you go
a) because you are not fulfilling the terms of our work agreement that states you help with child laundry.
OR
b) because you are unwilling to add minor help with child's laundry to your duties.
Today is your last day.

No one is forcing anyone to retain the services of a Nanny too lazy to assist with laundry or anything else. YOU define the job parameters, and YOU are responsible for hiring someone willing to fulfill those duties."

Sincerely, Puzzled Nanny who has always and forever done kid laundry because it's a part of the job of being a nanny.

P.S. You might all fall over if you knew what my list of duties entails. So I find your collective crazy pretty hysterical.

This is the issue we collectively think is ridiculous. That treating a stain on your charge's clothes made when you, the nanny, were feeding him is an additional duty. Any more than cleaning up food he dropped on the floor when you were feeding him is considered an additional duty!

I'm sorry you cannot see that your statement is simply wrong and stop being so defensive.

Good grief you all are crazy and not so bright. Reading comprehension ladies. Work on it.

All that nannydeb was saying is that OPs nanny has the RIGHT to refuse anything not laid out in her contract. Nowhere did she say that she should, nowhere did she say OP was asking something out of line, and she even indicated that OP had every right to decide that this rigid nanny isn't for her. And I think we can all agree that OPs nanny is rigid and stupid.

A further example would be that many nanny contracts do not include dishes as a duty. I could certainly refuse to wash a single dish if I wanted to be a jerk, and that is my right in this lovely free country, where we are all free to be assholes and idiots. I however don't mind cleaning the dishes while I'm cleaning up lunch for the children, and because of that attitude I have a very flexible relationship with my nanny family.

Laundry is outside of this nanny's contract and she can refuse to do anything she damn well pleases. And OP can fire her ass. Lay off of nannydeb.

Not PP but now you are being stunningly defensive and childish with your ridiculous name calling. No one has reading comprehension issues, Angel.

I agree 100% with the earlier poster who said that if cleaning up spilled food from the floor (that your charge dropped while you were feeding him) wasn't a part of the nanny's contract, she would still be expected to do it. Same with treating stains on the child's clothes that were made when you were feeding him. It is COMMON SENSE.

For God's sake, just admit that you are wrong and get on with your life and careers!!! You are both wrong on this.

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nannydebsays wrote:I am really truly not sure how my last post on 1/21 at around 19:30 is indicating that I think no one should ever help with anything.

"Yes, your Nanny has the right to decline additional duties. And you have the right to fire her for being stupid and shortsighted enough to refuse to help with child's laundry.

You: Nanny, I need you to take the time to spot treat and soak stained clothes.

Nanny: I don't want to do that.

You: (as soon as you have alternate care) Nanny, I am letting you go
a) because you are not fulfilling the terms of our work agreement that states you help with child laundry.
OR
b) because you are unwilling to add minor help with child's laundry to your duties.
Today is your last day.

No one is forcing anyone to retain the services of a Nanny too lazy to assist with laundry or anything else. YOU define the job parameters, and YOU are responsible for hiring someone willing to fulfill those duties."

Sincerely, Puzzled Nanny who has always and forever done kid laundry because it's a part of the job of being a nanny.

P.S. You might all fall over if you knew what my list of duties entails. So I find your collective crazy pretty hysterical.

This is the issue we collectively think is ridiculous. That treating a stain on your charge's clothes made when you, the nanny, were feeding him is an additional duty. Any more than cleaning up food he dropped on the floor when you were feeding him is considered an additional duty!

I'm sorry you cannot see that your statement is simply wrong and stop being so defensive.

Good grief you all are crazy and not so bright. Reading comprehension ladies. Work on it.

All that nannydeb was saying is that OPs nanny has the RIGHT to refuse anything not laid out in her contract. Nowhere did she say that she should, nowhere did she say OP was asking something out of line, and she even indicated that OP had every right to decide that this rigid nanny isn't for her. And I think we can all agree that OPs nanny is rigid and stupid.

A further example would be that many nanny contracts do not include dishes as a duty. I could certainly refuse to wash a single dish if I wanted to be a jerk, and that is my right in this lovely free country, where we are all free to be assholes and idiots. I however don't mind cleaning the dishes while I'm cleaning up lunch for the children, and because of that attitude I have a very flexible relationship with my nanny family.

Laundry is outside of this nanny's contract and she can refuse to do anything she damn well pleases. And OP can fire her ass. Lay off of nannydeb.

nannydebsays wrote:I am really truly not sure how my last post on 1/21 at around 19:30 is indicating that I think no one should ever help with anything.

"Yes, your Nanny has the right to decline additional duties. And you have the right to fire her for being stupid and shortsighted enough to refuse to help with child's laundry.

You: Nanny, I need you to take the time to spot treat and soak stained clothes.

Nanny: I don't want to do that.

You: (as soon as you have alternate care) Nanny, I am letting you go
a) because you are not fulfilling the terms of our work agreement that states you help with child laundry.
OR
b) because you are unwilling to add minor help with child's laundry to your duties.
Today is your last day.

No one is forcing anyone to retain the services of a Nanny too lazy to assist with laundry or anything else. YOU define the job parameters, and YOU are responsible for hiring someone willing to fulfill those duties."

Sincerely, Puzzled Nanny who has always and forever done kid laundry because it's a part of the job of being a nanny.

P.S. You might all fall over if you knew what my list of duties entails. So I find your collective crazy pretty hysterical.

This is the issue we collectively think is ridiculous. That treating a stain on your charge's clothes made when you, the nanny, were feeding him is an additional duty. Any more than cleaning up food he dropped on the floor when you were feeding him is considered an additional duty!

I'm sorry you cannot see that your statement is simply wrong and stop being so defensive.

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Anonymous wrote:Job creep.

Then you can either pay for the clothes you ruined or keep looking for a family with disposable clothing.

She didn't ruin them. The kid did. Put him in a paper sack.

No, I don't do ANY household chores for my NF, no dishes, no clothes, no cleaning and even I would 1) put a bid on the kids to attempt to keep their clothes clean and 2) find some shout and spray a stain if it did happen. How lazy can a nanny be...

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Anonymous wrote:Job creep.

Then you can either pay for the clothes you ruined or keep looking for a family with disposable clothing.

She didn't ruin them. The kid did. Put him in a paper sack.

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Anonymous wrote:If your nanny is pushing back against even simply giving the shirt a spritz as she tosses it into the basket I think you are better off searching for a new nanny if you are early into your contract with her. This does not sound like someone who is going to be willing to help pitch in as needed to make things run smoothly (within reason) and rather will be constantly examining if something is spelled out in her contract or not.

+1
I am usually in favor of working situations out but your nanny just seems lazy and unreasonable. It is virtually unheard of to not do the children's laundry. You aren't even asking for that, just a stain pre-treat! Not to mention the fact that she should be able to figure out how to feed your daughter without resulting in food all over her clothes....

Unless this nanny has some AMAZING other attributes, it is time for you to think about replacing her.

Kind of like divorcing your husband because he's sloppy.

No, you arm and employer, nanny is an employee and the charges clothes and even laundry is a basic nanny duty.
Can't believe you've asked her multiple times to do stain prevention and she complains and refuses. Real prima Donna. Give her a warning and start dialing around. She seems like the type to cop and attitude and continue her prima Donna nature. Done and done.

I am really truly not sure how my last post on 1/21 at around 19:30 is indicating that I think no one should ever help with anything.

"Yes, your Nanny has the right to decline additional duties. And you have the right to fire her for being stupid and shortsighted enough to refuse to help with child's laundry.

You: Nanny, I need you to take the time to spot treat and soak stained clothes.

Nanny: I don't want to do that.

You: (as soon as you have alternate care) Nanny, I am letting you go
a) because you are not fulfilling the terms of our work agreement that states you help with child laundry.
OR
b) because you are unwilling to add minor help with child's laundry to your duties.
Today is your last day.

No one is forcing anyone to retain the services of a Nanny too lazy to assist with laundry or anything else. YOU define the job parameters, and YOU are responsible for hiring someone willing to fulfill those duties."

Sincerely, Puzzled Nanny who has always and forever done kid laundry because it's a part of the job of being a nanny.

P.S. You might all fall over if you knew what my list of duties entails. So I find your collective crazy pretty hysterical.

Anonymous wrote:Some of the nannies on this site are ridiculous. You won't even spray a child's shirt so a stain doesn't set in because you are so afraid of job creep?

Then the same nannies come on her complaining about being let go or not being able to keep a long term position. A successful relationship requires compromise and flexibility on both sides.

BTW, I'm a nanny and agree with the PP about NannyDeb's advice.

It's really only ONE nanny, Nannydeb in fact, that is saying this is a problem. Most of the posts have been from nannies saying that OP is completely justified in her feelings and that her nanny is lazy.

Not sure why you felt the need to add this pointless comment, seeing as you obviously haven't even read the thread.

Some of the nannies on this site are ridiculous. You won't even spray a child's shirt so a stain doesn't set in because you are so afraid of job creep?

Then the same nannies come on her complaining about being let go or not being able to keep a long term position. A successful relationship requires compromise and flexibility on both sides.

BTW, I'm a nanny and agree with the PP about NannyDeb's advice.

Anonymous wrote:Job creep.

Then you can either pay for the clothes you ruined or keep looking for a family with disposable clothing.

Job creep.

I don't see how spraying a stain that happened while the child is in your care is "additional" duties. So is wiping the counter after lunch and snack additional in Nannydeb's contract? What about putting the dirty diaper in the garbage or *gasp* the laundry pail?

Once the mess is off the child, it's no longer the nanny's job is that how it works? Wiping a counter or high chair tray is housework, so I'm guessing that's a separate expectation in the contract?

OP I guess you need to find a new nanny.