I agree that a SAHM should charge much less than a professional Nanny.

A professional Nanny comes to the home, that way a parent does not have to pack up the child and drive the child to someone else's house to drop him or her off. This way the child can stay in his or her own home, play with their own toys and eat their own food. They usually get one on one care and attention and are not subjected to germs and such from other children.

A SAHM usually is caring for her own children as well and has the luxury of watching other children alongside her own in her own home. Which means she can do as she pleases like do her dishes, laundry, cooking, etc. since she never has to leave her house.

She should charge much less than a professional nanny by all means.

Those that do not are just greedy and see children as ca$h cows.

Anonymous wrote:How about if I come to your house and care for 6 neighborhood 3 & 4 year olds? Each of the parents pay me. Am I everyone's nanny?

PP, since I have no child in that mix (and if I did I wouldn't allow a single caregiver to manage that many kids in my home), you would be an uninvited intruder making an effort to take over my home and have it serve as your own family daycare.

A nanny goes to her employer's home to do her job. She may care for a child or children from 1 family, or for children from 2 or 3 families, b ut she does her work in one of the family homes, and is paid by each family. Nanny is an employee.

A family day care provider uses her own home or another suitable location to care for children from 1 or more families. The children may all be related or unrelated. There are rules and regs governing the number of kids permitted, and the care provider may have to take into account that her own kid(s) are in the mix. A family daycare provider is the boss of the daycare, and the parents are her clients. She sets her own rules, manages her own time, and if a parent dislikes how the FDCP provides care, that parent finds someone else to provide care. If the FDCP chooses to "fire" a family, she does so at her will and on her timetable. A FDCP is self-employed.

How about if I come to your house and care for 6 neighborhood 3 & 4 year olds? Each of the parents pay me. Am I everyone's nanny?

Huh. PP I was honestly not aware that was an issue at all. Where is it that a person caring for 2 unrelated children in one of the children's homes has to have a home daycare license?

nannydebsays wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that the sitter coming to your house is an employee and you legally incur other costs above the hourly rate. Using the SAHM in her home the cost is just the hourly rate.

Except if you call her a nanny share. The law is really screwed up about this. I don't really know how nanny shares get away with skirting the law. Normally if a child is being cared for outside of his OWN home, there needs to be a in-home daycare license.

A SAHM providing child care of any type in HER home isn't a nanny. She's a home daycare provider. She therefore needs to pay her taxes as a "self-employed" person, or she will pay her taxes as an LLC or some other business.

A nanny in a share is the employee of both/all share partners. She should be getting a check from each share partner each week, with taxes taken out.

Nannies, nanny employers, nanny share members, and SAHM's who offer child care only get away with "skirting the law" if they deliberately choose to be tax evaders. It's not a big mystery.

The nanny share isn't about skirting taxes, it's about not having the home daycare provider license for the care of a child outside of the child's own home.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that the sitter coming to your house is an employee and you legally incur other costs above the hourly rate. Using the SAHM in her home the cost is just the hourly rate.

Except if you call her a nanny share. The law is really screwed up about this. I don't really know how nanny shares get away with skirting the law. Normally if a child is being cared for outside of his OWN home, there needs to be a in-home daycare license.

A SAHM providing child care of any type in HER home isn't a nanny. She's a home daycare provider. She therefore needs to pay her taxes as a "self-employed" person, or she will pay her taxes as an LLC or some other business.

A nanny in a share is the employee of both/all share partners. She should be getting a check from each share partner each week, with taxes taken out.

Nannies, nanny employers, nanny share members, and SAHM's who offer child care only get away with "skirting the law" if they deliberately choose to be tax evaders. It's not a big mystery.

Indeed. I'm assuming that grandmothers are helping out for free (no business, no regulations). The next door neighbor watching your child in her home for $ is running a business.

The law cares not how you and the child may be related. No one is going to inspect your genealogy charts. As PP said, what matters, is the $$$$$ trail.

The laws governing in-home daycare wouldn't apply to grandmothers and aunts. Anyone can watch another person's kids for free. Once money is changing hands, the legal situation is different.

Anonymous wrote:

http://www.dss.virginia.gov/facility/child_care/licensed/child_day_centers/

Child day centers are child day programs offered to (i) two or more children under the age of 13 years in a facility that is not the residence of the provider or of any of the children in care or (ii) 13 or more children at any location. A child day program is a regularly operating service arrangement for children where, during the absence of a parent or guardian, a person or organization has agreed to assume responsibility for the supervision, protection and well-being of a child under the age of 13 years for less than a 24-hour period.

You need to be concerned with the family daycare laws, not centers. Nice try.

http://www.dss.virginia.gov/facility/child_care/licensed/child_day_centers/

Child day centers are child day programs offered to (i) two or more children under the age of 13 years in a facility that is not the residence of the provider or of any of the children in care or (ii) 13 or more children at any location. A child day program is a regularly operating service arrangement for children where, during the absence of a parent or guardian, a person or organization has agreed to assume responsibility for the supervision, protection and well-being of a child under the age of 13 years for less than a 24-hour period.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder that the sitter coming to your house is an employee and you legally incur other costs above the hourly rate. Using the SAHM in her home the cost is just the hourly rate.

Except if you call her a nanny share. The law is really screwed up about this. I don't really know how nanny shares get away with skirting the law. Normally if a child is being cared for outside of his OWN home, there needs to be a in-home daycare license.

False, look it up. There are limits on how many non-biological/legally related children can be cared for in one home, but it is certainly more than one. If your case were correct, every grandma/neighbor/aunt would need a permit. Check your facts before you post.

Both your arrogance and your ignorance are astounding. You apparently have never been licensed, have you? I have, and yes, the laws do vary from state to state, and county to county.
In some areas, if you are getting paid to provide care for ANY child, outside of the child's home, you need a license. Nanny shares seem to be going under the radar.