Anonymous wrote: The t-shirts they are trying to sell are incredibly insulting to parents.

I think any parent who would be insulted is either incredibly insecure or full of him/herself. It's no more "insulting" than the shirts that say things like "9 out of 10 kids get their good looks from their grandmas!" or "9 out of 10 kids get their intelligence from their aunts" or "9 out of 10 kids get their kindness from their godparents." If you value your nanny, like we do, you wouldn't mind the fact that your child's personality IS strongly influenced by the nanny. My kids get their creativity from their nanny. If there was an "I get my creativity from my nanny!" shirt and she bought it for them, I wouldn't be insulted.

That said, I think all of those shirts are about as "awesome" as the "My (someone) went to (location) and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" which is why I personally wouldn't buy.

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Anonymous wrote:No, an analogy comparing someone liking print over online media (or vice versa) is one thing. We are not necessarily saying we DON'T like print, we are saying it is a BAD IDEA to go that route and a financial loss to do so in this day and age. Not profitable, will lose money. I love print magazines still, and buy them over digital, but there is no way I would ever tell someone in good faith that it is a smart idea for them to try and start up one of their own at this time.

What analogy comparing someone liking print over online media? What does print versus online media have to do with the aforementioned analogy (or analogies in general) which was about rudeness/mocking? I'm very confused by the first part of your comment, as it does not make any sense, unless you are A) unsure of what an analogy is, or B) unsure of what the originally posted analogy referred to. The second part of your comment DOES make sense, though, and I agree. I wouldn't tell someone I think their idea is a smart one if I did not feel that way, or if all evidence pointed to the contrary.

I'm sorry if I was confusing you. I meant that the original analogy was wrong with the conversation. It would have made sense if people were comparing liking print media (or "other genres") over online media (or "sci-fi" from your? analogy), but we weren't. The analogy about some people disliking sci-fi but you not telling them you think it is a worthless genre did not equal what we were talking about. We were not saying that the idea of gathering information was a worthless idea, we were saying the medium that was the main idea was not a good idea. Maybe you meant to bring across more about being rude with your analogy, but the whole sci-fi thing kind of overshadowed that and was really not needed. You could have just said you thought people were being rude with their comments and left it at that.

Ahh, now I see - the issue is that you've misunderstood the analogy. To clarify, the point was that it is NOT necessary to be insulting/rude when one feels something is not wonderful. Perhaps too much was being read into the analogy and the use of "sci-fi" was distracting, so, fine. I'll keep it at "a lot of these comments/commenters are incredibly rude/immature and I don't see the reason for such animosity/mocking" and leave it there.

The t-shirts they are trying to sell are incredibly insulting to parents.

If you look at new magazines coming out, they are mostly web based. Many offer subscriptions that can only be looked at on the web or are available for downloads. I love printed materials, but honestly, I could not see myself buying a magazine geared towards being a nanny.

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Anonymous wrote:No, an analogy comparing someone liking print over online media (or vice versa) is one thing. We are not necessarily saying we DON'T like print, we are saying it is a BAD IDEA to go that route and a financial loss to do so in this day and age. Not profitable, will lose money. I love print magazines still, and buy them over digital, but there is no way I would ever tell someone in good faith that it is a smart idea for them to try and start up one of their own at this time.

What analogy comparing someone liking print over online media? What does print versus online media have to do with the aforementioned analogy (or analogies in general) which was about rudeness/mocking? I'm very confused by the first part of your comment, as it does not make any sense, unless you are A) unsure of what an analogy is, or B) unsure of what the originally posted analogy referred to. The second part of your comment DOES make sense, though, and I agree. I wouldn't tell someone I think their idea is a smart one if I did not feel that way, or if all evidence pointed to the contrary.

I'm sorry if I was confusing you. I meant that the original analogy was wrong with the conversation. It would have made sense if people were comparing liking print media (or "other genres") over online media (or "sci-fi" from your? analogy), but we weren't. The analogy about some people disliking sci-fi but you not telling them you think it is a worthless genre did not equal what we were talking about. We were not saying that the idea of gathering information was a worthless idea, we were saying the medium that was the main idea was not a good idea. Maybe you meant to bring across more about being rude with your analogy, but the whole sci-fi thing kind of overshadowed that and was really not needed. You could have just said you thought people were being rude with their comments and left it at that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a nanny (over ten years) and former Special Education teacher with no children of my own. I subscribed to Parents Magazine for years and years because I liked the articles, suggestions, the recommendations, the funny things kids say, etc. I think a magazine just for nannies is a great idea.

Personally, and I know I'm probably in the minority, I'd rather read something in print (I will NEVER own a Kindle or e-reader and prefer an actual newspaper to a news site). That said, I think it's more likely that the website will be where any future success lies.

Why the mocking/animosity from some posters, though? If you don't like the concept of the magazine, don't read it. If you don't want to help fund it, don't contribute to the Kickstarter campaign. I believe that sci-fi is a completely worthless genre, but when someone posts about sci-fi novels on my fiction writers forum, I see no reason to tell them how stupid it is.

I don't know why you even bothered to bring up your writing forum and sci-fi. We are trying to give her good advice about giving up the idea of a physical magazine.

SOME people were giving her (them?) good advice, others were being rude and/or mocking, hence I asked 'why the animosity?' I agreed with some of the comments/commenters by saying that I think future success is probably most likely to be in found online rather than in print, though I personally prefer print. I thought the reason for the analogy was pretty clear - when I am not a fan of something, I don't see fit to go tell others it's stupid, thus I do not understand why those who think the magazine is a bad idea feel the need to be nasty about it. An analogy, to clear up any further confusion, is "a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification," or "a partial similarity." Hope that helps.

No, an analogy comparing someone liking print over online media (or vice versa) is one thing. We are not necessarily saying we DON'T like print, we are saying it is a BAD IDEA to go that route and a financial loss to do so in this day and age. Not profitable, will lose money. I love print magazines still, and buy them over digital, but there is no way I would ever tell someone in good faith that it is a smart idea for them to try and start up one of their own at this time.

What analogy comparing someone liking print over online media? What does print versus online media have to do with the aforementioned analogy (or analogies in general) which was about rudeness/mocking? I'm very confused by the first part of your comment, as it does not make any sense, unless you are A) unsure of what an analogy is, or B) unsure of what the originally posted analogy referred to. The second part of your comment DOES make sense, though, and I agree. I wouldn't tell someone I think their idea is a smart one if I did not feel that way, or if all evidence pointed to the contrary.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a nanny (over ten years) and former Special Education teacher with no children of my own. I subscribed to Parents Magazine for years and years because I liked the articles, suggestions, the recommendations, the funny things kids say, etc. I think a magazine just for nannies is a great idea.

Personally, and I know I'm probably in the minority, I'd rather read something in print (I will NEVER own a Kindle or e-reader and prefer an actual newspaper to a news site). That said, I think it's more likely that the website will be where any future success lies.

Why the mocking/animosity from some posters, though? If you don't like the concept of the magazine, don't read it. If you don't want to help fund it, don't contribute to the Kickstarter campaign. I believe that sci-fi is a completely worthless genre, but when someone posts about sci-fi novels on my fiction writers forum, I see no reason to tell them how stupid it is.

I don't know why you even bothered to bring up your writing forum and sci-fi. We are trying to give her good advice about giving up the idea of a physical magazine.

SOME people were giving her (them?) good advice, others were being rude and/or mocking, hence I asked 'why the animosity?' I agreed with some of the comments/commenters by saying that I think future success is probably most likely to be in found online rather than in print, though I personally prefer print. I thought the reason for the analogy was pretty clear - when I am not a fan of something, I don't see fit to go tell others it's stupid, thus I do not understand why those who think the magazine is a bad idea feel the need to be nasty about it. An analogy, to clear up any further confusion, is "a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification," or "a partial similarity." Hope that helps.

No, an analogy comparing someone liking print over online media (or vice versa) is one thing. We are not necessarily saying we DON'T like print, we are saying it is a BAD IDEA to go that route and a financial loss to do so in this day and age. Not profitable, will lose money. I love print magazines still, and buy them over digital, but there is no way I would ever tell someone in good faith that it is a smart idea for them to try and start up one of their own at this time.

Anonymous wrote:I would pay for the shirts because the creator is hot.

Um..are you blind?

Anonymous wrote:Funny how quickly things get off track around here. lol

This. The sci-fi posters are real life wackos!!!

Where can you find a picture of said creator?

I would pay for the shirts because the creator is hot.

Very nice idea,just need to get better slogan.

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It is pretty stupid to think that someone who has no money is going to start up a SUCCESSFUL magazine that will actually pay for itself in this day and age. Not on a very narrow focus like the OP is suggesting, a magazine for nannies. There are already Parents magazines out there that generally will provide much of the same time of information, or many other sources on the internet for what people seek. It is bound to be a failure, a lost cause. If you were to bring up the idea to one of the big publishers (like Conde Nast and Hearst), they would probably laugh in your face. They make enough money from everything they already do, that they could put something like that out and actually have it get advertisers, but it wouldn't be enough for it to stay afloat. Bring your idea to Shark Tank and they would all "be out" within the first minute. It is NOT something that will be profitable in the slightest way. It will cost LOTS of money and you will not find enough of an audience to support it.

Let's face it, what the OP will end up doing will NOT be creating a magazine, but a 'zine that will have a hard time finding people to even take free copies of it. No one is paying $5 for a magazine that they can google all the information found in it. Stick to the website. You can start off with something basic, and build it up and get more advertisers over time, possibly get people to pay for a subscription to that. You can do a digital version of the magazine on the site if wanted. Skip the whole process of trying to do a physical one. You don't understand what you are trying to get yourself into. I have dealt with media and marketing and worked with print media before. It is not something to jump into lightly and you really need a wider audience for it and some start up money of your own (before attempting to get others to pitch in).

What you're saying makes sense, though I disagree about the same info already being in other magazines. I think a magazine (or website) specifically for nannies instead of parents is a great idea because, while some of the content will probably be suitable for both audiences, there are lots of issues that nannies deal with that parents do not, or that parents have the luxury of being able to deal with differently. I agree that online is more likely to be successful, especially with younger readers (by "younger," I mean 18-35). Nickelodeon Magazine, Teen, the Oprah magazine, and Cosmo Girl have all been shut down in recent years. Everyone is moving towards the online format, which sucks in a way because so many online sights are terrible and it's sometimes hard to tell the good (legit) from the bad (even Parents magazine has some really poorly written articles despite having solid print copy).

Funny how quickly things get off track around here. lol

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a nanny (over ten years) and former Special Education teacher with no children of my own. I subscribed to Parents Magazine for years and years because I liked the articles, suggestions, the recommendations, the funny things kids say, etc. I think a magazine just for nannies is a great idea.

Personally, and I know I'm probably in the minority, I'd rather read something in print (I will NEVER own a Kindle or e-reader and prefer an actual newspaper to a news site). That said, I think it's more likely that the website will be where any future success lies.

Why the mocking/animosity from some posters, though? If you don't like the concept of the magazine, don't read it. If you don't want to help fund it, don't contribute to the Kickstarter campaign. I believe that sci-fi is a completely worthless genre, but when someone posts about sci-fi novels on my fiction writers forum, I see no reason to tell them how stupid it is.

I don't know why you even bothered to bring up your writing forum and sci-fi. We are trying to give her good advice about giving up the idea of a physical magazine.

SOME people were giving her (them?) good advice, others were being rude and/or mocking, hence I asked 'why the animosity?' I agreed with some of the comments/commenters by saying that I think future success is probably most likely to be in found online rather than in print, though I personally prefer print. I thought the reason for the analogy was pretty clear - when I am not a fan of something, I don't see fit to go tell others it's stupid, thus I do not understand why those who think the magazine is a bad idea feel the need to be nasty about it. An analogy, to clear up any further confusion, is "a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification," or "a partial similarity." Hope that helps.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a nanny (over ten years) and former Special Education teacher with no children of my own. I subscribed to Parents Magazine for years and years because I liked the articles, suggestions, the recommendations, the funny things kids say, etc. I think a magazine just for nannies is a great idea.

Personally, and I know I'm probably in the minority, I'd rather read something in print (I will NEVER own a Kindle or e-reader and prefer an actual newspaper to a news site). That said, I think it's more likely that the website will be where any future success lies.

Why the mocking/animosity from some posters, though? If you don't like the concept of the magazine, don't read it. If you don't want to help fund it, don't contribute to the Kickstarter campaign. I believe that sci-fi is a completely worthless genre, but when someone posts about sci-fi novels on my fiction writers forum, I see no reason to tell them how stupid it is.

I don't know why you even bothered to bring up your writing forum and sci-fi. We are trying to give her good advice about giving up the idea of a physical magazine.

It is pretty stupid to think that someone who has no money is going to start up a SUCCESSFUL magazine that will actually pay for itself in this day and age. Not on a very narrow focus like the OP is suggesting, a magazine for nannies. There are already Parents magazines out there that generally will provide much of the same time of information, or many other sources on the internet for what people seek. It is bound to be a failure, a lost cause. If you were to bring up the idea to one of the big publishers (like Conde Nast and Hearst), they would probably laugh in your face. They make enough money from everything they already do, that they could put something like that out and actually have it get advertisers, but it wouldn't be enough for it to stay afloat. Bring your idea to Shark Tank and they would all "be out" within the first minute. It is NOT something that will be profitable in the slightest way. It will cost LOTS of money and you will not find enough of an audience to support it.

Let's face it, what the OP will end up doing will NOT be creating a magazine, but a 'zine that will have a hard time finding people to even take free copies of it. No one is paying $5 for a magazine that they can google all the information found in it. Stick to the website. You can start off with something basic, and build it up and get more advertisers over time, possibly get people to pay for a subscription to that. You can do a digital version of the magazine on the site if wanted. Skip the whole process of trying to do a physical one. You don't understand what you are trying to get yourself into. I have dealt with media and marketing and worked with print media before. It is not something to jump into lightly and you really need a wider audience for it and some start up money of your own (before attempting to get others to pitch in).