Anonymous
05/14/2013 13:51
Subject: Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
This latest run of commentary is just baffling. Is it really so hard to understand that many people simply CAN NOT AFFORD NOT TO WORK. No matter how crappy they feel or how poorly they might have to perform their job, if they are not sent home, they have to get through the day because for some people, $70-100 really does make the difference between paying a bill or buying groceries. It is not passive aggressive, entitled, lazy, or unethical. And as far as "wanting something for nothing"... if you call devoting our time/love/energy to the care of your children (and then wanting to take a paid day off when it is medically warranted) nothing, you have even bigger issues to address.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 13:47
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:13:08 why exactly couldn't you offer to make up the housekeeping if you didn't want to take a day without pay? Most employers wold be fine with this if the part-time nanny was in a bind.
You seem to be unwilling to consider anything other than the possibly that you are afforded PTO that you didn't negotiate in the beginning. Bad attitude.
The one with the bad attitude is you. Selfish, cold-hearted, elitist attitude.
Not pp, but why is this an elitist attitude? Seems to me you want something for nothing.
Correct. We want humane treatment for all employees simply because they are being human beings. PERIOD.
Great, I agree, but in this nanny/employer market, you have to negotiate for what you want. I would have thought you knew that?
Anonymous
05/14/2013 13:40
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:13:08 why exactly couldn't you offer to make up the housekeeping if you didn't want to take a day without pay? Most employers wold be fine with this if the part-time nanny was in a bind.
You seem to be unwilling to consider anything other than the possibly that you are afforded PTO that you didn't negotiate in the beginning. Bad attitude.
The one with the bad attitude is you. Selfish, cold-hearted, elitist attitude.
Not pp, but why is this an elitist attitude? Seems to me you want something for nothing.
Correct. We want humane treatment for all employees simply because they are being human beings. PERIOD.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 13:33
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:13:08 why exactly couldn't you offer to make up the housekeeping if you didn't want to take a day without pay? Most employers wold be fine with this if the part-time nanny was in a bind.
You seem to be unwilling to consider anything other than the possibly that you are afforded PTO that you didn't negotiate in the beginning. Bad attitude.
The one with the bad attitude is you. Selfish, cold-hearted, elitist attitude.
Not pp, but why is this an elitist attitude? Seems to me you want something for nothing.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 13:28
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:13:08 why exactly couldn't you offer to make up the housekeeping if you didn't want to take a day without pay? Most employers wold be fine with this if the part-time nanny was in a bind.
You seem to be unwilling to consider anything other than the possibly that you are afforded PTO that you didn't negotiate in the beginning. Bad attitude.
The one with the bad attitude is you. Selfish, cold-hearted, elitist attitude.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 13:26
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
13:08 why exactly couldn't you offer to make up the housekeeping if you didn't want to take a day without pay? Most employers wold be fine with this if the part-time nanny was in a bind.
You seem to be unwilling to consider anything other than the possibly that you are afforded PTO that you didn't negotiate in the beginning. Bad attitude.
You seem to be unwilling to consider anything other than the possibly that you are afforded PTO that you didn't negotiate in the beginning. Bad attitude.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 13:21
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:The nanny could have called the employer and taken PTO or a day without pay. The nanny could have called the employer and told her that she could do the housekeeping work that day because she was ill but would like to be able to make up the hours on a different day. The employer sounds reasonable and probably would have been fine with this.
Its not ethical to accept a job that doesn't offer PTO and then come in but not do your job because you don't want to take a day without pay. PTO is a negotiated benefit and not all jobs offer it. The nannies on this board act like they can get away with not negotiating for it but then be passive aggressive and show up anyway hoping to get sent home.
I'm going to have to agree. I've been fortunate to not have any major medical issues while employed, but don't act like the employer is horrible because the nanny CHOSE to come into work.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 13:08
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:The nanny could have called the employer and taken PTO or a day without pay. The nanny could have called the employer and told her that she could do the housekeeping work that day because she was ill but would like to be able to make up the hours on a different day. The employer sounds reasonable and probably would have been fine with this.
Its not ethical to accept a job that doesn't offer PTO and then come in but not do your job because you don't want to take a day without pay. PTO is a negotiated benefit and not all jobs offer it. The nannies on this board act like they can get away with not negotiating for it but then be passive aggressive and show up anyway hoping to get sent home.
What is it you aren't getting? It's not passive aggressive. It's a matter of not being ABLE to afford to not work. Given the choice between not being able to pay your bills or feed yourself, or go to work sick, a lot of people have NO CHOICE. I'm not going to take an unpaid day off when I can't afford it just so I don't piss you off, sorry. I'll work until my boss tells me I can't. You have no compassion and really should evaluate your priorities and morals.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 12:57
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny outrage is ridiculous. You are adults. Most adults who work are responsible enough to stay home when they can't work. They use PTO or leave without pay depending on what they negotiated if they are unable to work that day. Being so ill that you can't stay awake or are too much pain to do your job means that you are unable to do your job that day.
It certainly doesn't sound like the OP is type who would be angry if the nanny called out sick.
I don't understand why nannies seem to think its perfectly fine to go in anyway to collect the money or not take PTO and then fall asleep not doing your job.
You have obviously never struggled or been hungry. The choice isn't always so black and white. I have had jobs without PTO. I also had some pretty serious and debilitating stomach issues at the same time and no health insurance. I would wake up screaming in the night in pain, but not going to work meant not getting paid/not being able to afford groceries/rent/doctor visits. I couldn't afford to not try to go to work. Sometimes I got sent home.
Take note, you entitled MBs.
+1
Condemn the poor all you like, but they have to make the tough choices you don't. Give thanks for that and try to extend a little compassion.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 12:50
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The nanny outrage is ridiculous. You are adults. Most adults who work are responsible enough to stay home when they can't work. They use PTO or leave without pay depending on what they negotiated if they are unable to work that day. Being so ill that you can't stay awake or are too much pain to do your job means that you are unable to do your job that day.
It certainly doesn't sound like the OP is type who would be angry if the nanny called out sick.
I don't understand why nannies seem to think its perfectly fine to go in anyway to collect the money or not take PTO and then fall asleep not doing your job.
You have obviously never struggled or been hungry. The choice isn't always so black and white. I have had jobs without PTO. I also had some pretty serious and debilitating stomach issues at the same time and no health insurance. I would wake up screaming in the night in pain, but not going to work meant not getting paid/not being able to afford groceries/rent/doctor visits. I couldn't afford to not try to go to work. Sometimes I got sent home.
Take note, you entitled MBs.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 12:38
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
The nanny could have called the employer and taken PTO or a day without pay. The nanny could have called the employer and told her that she could do the housekeeping work that day because she was ill but would like to be able to make up the hours on a different day. The employer sounds reasonable and probably would have been fine with this.
Its not ethical to accept a job that doesn't offer PTO and then come in but not do your job because you don't want to take a day without pay. PTO is a negotiated benefit and not all jobs offer it. The nannies on this board act like they can get away with not negotiating for it but then be passive aggressive and show up anyway hoping to get sent home.
Its not ethical to accept a job that doesn't offer PTO and then come in but not do your job because you don't want to take a day without pay. PTO is a negotiated benefit and not all jobs offer it. The nannies on this board act like they can get away with not negotiating for it but then be passive aggressive and show up anyway hoping to get sent home.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 12:30
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:The nanny outrage is ridiculous. You are adults. Most adults who work are responsible enough to stay home when they can't work. They use PTO or leave without pay depending on what they negotiated if they are unable to work that day. Being so ill that you can't stay awake or are too much pain to do your job means that you are unable to do your job that day.
It certainly doesn't sound like the OP is type who would be angry if the nanny called out sick.
I don't understand why nannies seem to think its perfectly fine to go in anyway to collect the money or not take PTO and then fall asleep not doing your job.
You have obviously never struggled or been hungry. The choice isn't always so black and white. I have had jobs without PTO. I also had some pretty serious and debilitating stomach issues at the same time and no health insurance. I would wake up screaming in the night in pain, but not going to work meant not getting paid/not being able to afford groceries/rent/doctor visits. I couldn't afford to not try to go to work. Sometimes I got sent home.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 12:14
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Anonymous wrote:The nanny outrage is ridiculous. You are adults. Most adults who work are responsible enough to stay home when they can't work. They use PTO or leave without pay depending on what they negotiated if they are unable to work that day. Being so ill that you can't stay awake or are too much pain to do your job means that you are unable to do your job that day.
The key question, which OP hasn't answered, is whether or not the nanny receives PTO. If she doesn't, then of course we will be outraged on her behalf - many people who work at hourly jobs cannot afford to lose a day's worth of pay. Clearly the nanny thought she could tough it out and couldn't, but it isn't like she showed up thinking "HA! I won't do anything today and I'll still get paid!" - obviously she feels like crap.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 12:06
Subject: Re:Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
The nanny outrage is ridiculous. You are adults. Most adults who work are responsible enough to stay home when they can't work. They use PTO or leave without pay depending on what they negotiated if they are unable to work that day. Being so ill that you can't stay awake or are too much pain to do your job means that you are unable to do your job that day.
It certainly doesn't sound like the OP is type who would be angry if the nanny called out sick.
I don't understand why nannies seem to think its perfectly fine to go in anyway to collect the money or not take PTO and then fall asleep not doing your job.
It certainly doesn't sound like the OP is type who would be angry if the nanny called out sick.
I don't understand why nannies seem to think its perfectly fine to go in anyway to collect the money or not take PTO and then fall asleep not doing your job.
Anonymous
05/14/2013 11:58
Subject: Nanny fell asleep while watching my kids
Shut up about the trolling. This is a real post.