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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

Stereotype much? I used to go to SE a lot for a volunteer job I had and the only group that ever bothered me was a religious group trying to convert me.

Oh so you did not house your children and everything you own and hold dear in that neighborhood? You did not live among the poor and share the burdens of poverty. Never sent your kids to the worst schools in America or walk home alone after dark in that neighborhood? Aren't you a model of humility.

While I did not grow up in SE, I grew up in a very poor household and have lived in less than desirable neighborhoods in my life where if you walked outside at night, you never knew what you were going to encounter. Are there bad neighborhoods in SE? But to make a blanket statement about all of SE without spending time there is stereotyping and judging. Some of the scariest neighborhoods I have been through in DC were not in the SE, but in the NW before they cleaned them up.

This shit is what makes nannies go nuts. Make light if you will, but they are caring for your kids. You'd think you'd want them happy and healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

I live in the Palisades in a 1BR that costs $1350. Its not updated but its nice, the building is nice, the neighborhood is great, and I'm right on MacArthur. I don't know where you are getting these crazy high inflated prices, but again a nanny should NOT be living in Georgetown/Palisades/NW/Etc, that is a LUXURY, you should be living downtown and splitting a place with a roommate. Teachers and young lawyers do this, why should a nanny not have too?

Silly poster, don't you know that nannies are a special breed that are entitled to the same lifestyles as their employers, even though they have no experience and expect to get paid better than your average teacher or lawyer? And despite the fact that millions of Americans live in less than stellar living conditions, you are a bad employer if you know your nanny is living in one of those areas because she is more special than everyone else.

No one has said any of that. Yes we all know that there are workers that have it even worse, but that is only in an abstract way. I would hope that if any of us actually knew someone struggling to pay their bills we would help, no? If you employ a nanny, she is not an abstract idea, she is a real person, coming to your house daily, caring for your child home and family, and you should give a damn if YOU are the reason she can't afford to live like a decent human being, even though she works 50 hours a week for you.

If an employer offers a salary and then the employee accepts the job and salary, why then is the employer responsible as to where the employee lives?

BECAUSE NANNIES ARE REAL PEOPLE CARING FOR YOUR CHILDREN!!! YOU SHOULD PAY THEM A TON SO THEY CAN LIVE IN DC AND DRIVE A NICE CAR AND HAVE AN IPHONE YOU HORRIBLE MB!!!

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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

I live in the Palisades in a 1BR that costs $1350. Its not updated but its nice, the building is nice, the neighborhood is great, and I'm right on MacArthur. I don't know where you are getting these crazy high inflated prices, but again a nanny should NOT be living in Georgetown/Palisades/NW/Etc, that is a LUXURY, you should be living downtown and splitting a place with a roommate. Teachers and young lawyers do this, why should a nanny not have too?

Silly poster, don't you know that nannies are a special breed that are entitled to the same lifestyles as their employers, even though they have no experience and expect to get paid better than your average teacher or lawyer? And despite the fact that millions of Americans live in less than stellar living conditions, you are a bad employer if you know your nanny is living in one of those areas because she is more special than everyone else.

No one has said any of that. Yes we all know that there are workers that have it even worse, but that is only in an abstract way. I would hope that if any of us actually knew someone struggling to pay their bills we would help, no? If you employ a nanny, she is not an abstract idea, she is a real person, coming to your house daily, caring for your child home and family, and you should give a damn if YOU are the reason she can't afford to live like a decent human being, even though she works 50 hours a week for you.

If an employer offers a salary and then the employee accepts the job and salary, why then is the employer responsible as to where the employee lives?

I truly do not understand the vitriol here, and why anyone thinks these rants make any difference.

I'm an MB. When I looked for a nanny I had a gazillion applications and roughly 4 top choices (after reviewing qualifications, experience, recommendations, etc...) All were competent, qualified, experienced people I would consider professionals. All had more than 15 years of experience as full-time nannies. All of them quoted me their hourly (or in several instances, weekly) rates. The rate range spanned $14-18 per hour, in Montgomery County, two years ago. The narrowness, and competitiveness, of the range and applications was striking. Great if you're the employer, a tougher reality if you're looking for a job.

We chose the person who was the best fit for our family, and given the rate range we did not have to make that choice based on money.

If all four of our top candidates had quoted us rates in the $18-25 range we would have hired within that market reality, and maybe the money would have influenced our decision.

That is a free market economy. I do not accept the position that I should be paying more than I am out of some sort of "noblesse oblige" thinking.

We are all subject to the economic realities of our life circumstances and our choices, and we make whatever decisions and choices are necessary and appropriate for us.

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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

Stereotype much? I used to go to SE a lot for a volunteer job I had and the only group that ever bothered me was a religious group trying to convert me.

Oh so you did not house your children and everything you own and hold dear in that neighborhood? You did not live among the poor and share the burdens of poverty. Never sent your kids to the worst schools in America or walk home alone after dark in that neighborhood? Aren't you a model of humility.

8:57 is exactly right, especially if she's a long term nanny.

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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

I live in the Palisades in a 1BR that costs $1350. Its not updated but its nice, the building is nice, the neighborhood is great, and I'm right on MacArthur. I don't know where you are getting these crazy high inflated prices, but again a nanny should NOT be living in Georgetown/Palisades/NW/Etc, that is a LUXURY, you should be living downtown and splitting a place with a roommate. Teachers and young lawyers do this, why should a nanny not have too?

Silly poster, don't you know that nannies are a special breed that are entitled to the same lifestyles as their employers, even though they have no experience and expect to get paid better than your average teacher or lawyer? And despite the fact that millions of Americans live in less than stellar living conditions, you are a bad employer if you know your nanny is living in one of those areas because she is more special than everyone else.

No one has said any of that. Yes we all know that there are workers that have it even worse, but that is only in an abstract way. I would hope that if any of us actually knew someone struggling to pay their bills we would help, no? If you employ a nanny, she is not an abstract idea, she is a real person, coming to your house daily, caring for your child home and family, and you should give a damn if YOU are the reason she can't afford to live like a decent human being, even though she works 50 hours a week for you.

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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

I live in the Palisades in a 1BR that costs $1350. Its not updated but its nice, the building is nice, the neighborhood is great, and I'm right on MacArthur. I don't know where you are getting these crazy high inflated prices, but again a nanny should NOT be living in Georgetown/Palisades/NW/Etc, that is a LUXURY, you should be living downtown and splitting a place with a roommate. Teachers and young lawyers do this, why should a nanny not have too?

Silly poster, don't you know that nannies are a special breed that are entitled to the same lifestyles as their employers, even though they have no experience and expect to get paid better than your average teacher or lawyer? And despite the fact that millions of Americans live in less than stellar living conditions, you are a bad employer if you know your nanny is living in one of those areas because she is more special than everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

Stereotype much? I used to go to SE a lot for a volunteer job I had and the only group that ever bothered me was a religious group trying to convert me.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with your thinking is that just because you work hard does not mean you are entitled to all the nice things you described. If you want those things you should get a degree and earn more.

Would you stand up for the same idea if you replaced the word nanny with McDonalds worker?

Stop trying to change the wage for nannies, if you have a degree and don't like the pay in this field then go somewhere else. If you don't have a degree then you should be grateful for $15 an hour.

As a nanny here is where your money should go:
Rent: $500 ($1500 2 bedroom split 3 ways)
Transportation: get a bike
Health Insurance: not needed
Groceries: $200
Phone: $35 T-mobile, you don't need an iPhone, you are a nanny
That's $735. Since you earn well over $2000 a month you have plenty left for personal things or to put at least $500 a month away in savings to go to college.

Hope this helps you realize the error of your ways.

You're an idiot! How is health insurance " not needed". Garbage response from a trash person.

I don't want to put gas on the fire, because I think insurance is important, but I have been a nanny for over 10 years and have never had insurance. I didn't ever need it, if you are young and healthy you can get by without having insurance.

Yes, my young, healthy sister couldn't afford insurance working at a small non-profit and thought she would be ok and then had to have emergency surgery for appendicitis. It took her years to pay that off, even after the hospital wrote off a lot of the bill. You need insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

Thank you for staying in the realm of reality. I feel like I'm reading poorly written fan fiction with all the MBs inventing stuff about hip, expensive, luxury, apartments and vehicles. It seems like they all did mushrooms before writing out their replies.

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Anonymous wrote:So the pay should be dependent on how many children she has and whether she is single or not? Wouldn't that discriminate in terms of pay against single people solely on the basis of them being single? Or childless?

No. But as another poster has already said, any nanny you wish to employ on a full time basis, has a right to earn a "living" wage.

Living wage as defined by the government is below what the OP mentions (15/hr). If Maryland and DC got it wrong what is then living wage? A number please?

Well everyone in the main forum thinks you need at least $100k, so why don't we start there! But for real, I'm not sure if the living wage is recalculated each year or not, and I would be curious what factors they use to determine it. Maybe if we knew what those were, and what they value or undervalue certain things at, we could have a real discussion. For example some posters have tried to compare their experiences as grad students 15 years ago to making the same amount today. Obviously it isn't the same. Apartments, even studios are not $750/month in reality.

I don't think anyone here has said that nannies should only pay $750 a month in rent because that is what the poster paid fifteen years ago. The issue is whether a new, unproven, average-rate nanny is entitled to a wage that let's her keep a one-bedroom apartment in Dupont Circle plus a car rather than living in a modest walkup studio in Silver Spring and getting around by subway. It seems that a great many professionals on this board did pretty much that early on in their careers, because their skills and experience at the time were not valuable enough to support a one-bedroom plus car lifestyle.

Please point to the post asking for an expensive DuPont Circle apartment and a vehicle?

Dumb people reread the thread: OP clearly does not live in DuPont and the only person who mention DuPont was responding to an accusation that rent could be had in that area for something like $750. Not one nanny has even said they want to live in DuPont Circle. You are arguing with yourself against the fiction you are making up in your minds. Most people arguing against paying a living wage are basing their points on unsubstantiated assumptions about some luxury lifestyle non one here is advocating for.

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Anonymous wrote:And no one HAS to live in Dupont.

This is what is pissing me off in this thread. Nannies whining "I DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE. I WORK IN GEORGETOWN AND SHOULD BE PAID TO LIVE IN GEORGETOWN! I NEED $2800 A MONTH TO COVER RENT!!!!"

Nannies, go live in SE, pay $350 a month by splitting a 2BR and take the metro to anywhere in DC. It's not that hard.

SE? I'm sure if you ever even had to drive through SE, you'd have your music off, windows up, doors locked, and your head down. If you are okay with your nanny living in the slums, please exit the thread, because the grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

To the other posters suggesting silver spring, again, you are living in the past. Silver Spring may have been much cheaper than DC in the past. Where that $750/month Dupont studio is now $1800-$2300/month, a silver spring studio is $1600-$1800/month. I live in a semi-safe area of PG county, and my studio is $1275/month! I suppose I should split it with a stranger, ie. roommate?

I live in the Palisades in a 1BR that costs $1350. Its not updated but its nice, the building is nice, the neighborhood is great, and I'm right on MacArthur. I don't know where you are getting these crazy high inflated prices, but again a nanny should NOT be living in Georgetown/Palisades/NW/Etc, that is a LUXURY, you should be living downtown and splitting a place with a roommate. Teachers and young lawyers do this, why should a nanny not have too?

Because you are assuming the nanny is young and new to her career. You try to pay us all the same even if we have 10 years of experience. A new young nanny with little experience? Sure get a roommate. A 30 year old nanny, with a degree and 10 years of experience should have earned the "luxury" of not living with strangers in dangerous neighborhoods. But since everyone wants to pay the same shit wages no matter the nanny (I wouldn't pay more for a degree, or extensive experience, or this or that.) It happens on every thread about rates. You all want something for next to nothing, and you're totally cool with the person providing that service to live like a pauper. Threads like this make it really hard to respect my own wonderful MB. I have no idea if she's a shitty as you all inside, but I fear that she may be.