nannydebsays
07/15/2015 16:11
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
So unless she moves, she can't have a LI nanny. That means she'll need to pay more to have someone "on-call" for nights and weekends, IMO.
She's likely going to need 2 main nannies working 3.5 days on/off and a list of sitters to call if the nannies take time off for any reason.
I'd only take a job like this if I were paid for all the hours I was expected to work or be on call. So 84 hours, with OT, at about $22/hour...$2332/week per nanny to guarantee availability 24/7.
That's about 300K a year.
Just DAMN!
She's likely going to need 2 main nannies working 3.5 days on/off and a list of sitters to call if the nannies take time off for any reason.
I'd only take a job like this if I were paid for all the hours I was expected to work or be on call. So 84 hours, with OT, at about $22/hour...$2332/week per nanny to guarantee availability 24/7.
That's about 300K a year.
Just DAMN!
Anonymous
07/14/2015 20:37
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
OP here, not sure where someone got that she has many kids. Just one- the baby on the way.
And she lives in a penthouse in NW DC. It is a 2 bedroom.
And she lives in a penthouse in NW DC. It is a 2 bedroom.
Anonymous
07/14/2015 19:54
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
Anonymous wrote:nannydebsays wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok, so here in the deal.
I am former nanny and I am trying to help my SIL plan out her kiddo care needs. I know that she will need a ton of help- and that its too much for 1 nanny. Just wanting to know how many folks she should be looking to hire.
Here is the situation. She has a high profile job in DC (easily pulls 12 hour days) and often has to go to events at night. She also wants almost around the clock care on the weekends. She will not be gone all weekend- but she often has work situations pop up that have to be dealt with immediately. She is going to be a single mom.
She is honestly wanting 12-13 hours a day of care, 7 days a week.
Please no snark about how she should have a kid if she can't care for it... The situation is what it is.
Is her budget pretty large? if so, i would suggest the following:
From birth - 4 months old or so - Newborn Care Specialist to work 24/7 the first 3 - 4 weeks, then 15 hour overnights the next 9+ weeks. Bring in a REALLY experienced full-charge nanny at 3 - 4 weeks to work the 9 hour daytime shift. This nanny will live in, and will transition to full charge nanny/nanny manager when NCS is finished. Have the nanny manager and the NCS assist with hiring of 2 additional nannies who will join the team the week before NCS leaves. COST - NCS likely $300+/day for full days, $250+ for 15 hour shifts. Nanny Manager likely $18+/hour for first weeks, then $80K+ when she transitions.
4 months forward - Nanny Manager will live in and will take on the tasks of caring for baby from 7p - 7a and managing schedules/clothes and food purchases, etc for baby as he grows. She needs to be a nanny who has been full-charge for high profile HNW families before, who is comfortable living in and taking on all the child related tasks a SAHM would usually deal with. NM will schedule and manage the other 2 nannies. Those nannies will either work a 4/3 split or 3.5 days each per week, 12 hours a day from 7a - 7p. They will likely be paid $16+/hour, and need to be experienced in a staffed home, willing to work for the good of baby and mom, and not prone to shoving unpleasant tasks onto others. No one loves to to laundry, but everyone has to pitch in, just as an example.
I would have the daytime split shift look like this:
Nanny Jane works W/Th/F/Sa from 7a - 7p and Nanny Anne works Sa 7p - 7a and Su/M/Tu from 7a - 7p. Every 4 weeks they switch schedules if desired, so that they can each have "lighter" work weeks and not have one continually working the 24 hour Saturday 7p - Sunday 7p shift. Each will work 48 hours/week, grossing $850 - 900 each weekly.
Nanny Manager will live in and work 7p - 7a Sunday - Friday, will put in up to 20 additional hours as needed M - F during the day (running errands for baby, lesson planning, scheduling other nannies and checking in with them, etc.), working 92 hours per week, although much of that time will be overnights.
With 3 nannies, they can cover each other's vacations without working ridiculous OT, and your SIL will have the 24/7 coverage she needs to do her job. The Nanny Manager also will be simply "on call" when your SIL is home and ready to take on caretaker duties.
Sorry Nannydeb but you didn't read all the updates, yea apparently this woman is a high-power high-earner but she also lives in a 2 BR apartment (or tiny house) with all her kids so there is absolutely no room for a live in of any kind.
Yea that really makes no sense....
Anonymous
07/14/2015 19:51
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
nannydebsays wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ok, so here in the deal.
I am former nanny and I am trying to help my SIL plan out her kiddo care needs. I know that she will need a ton of help- and that its too much for 1 nanny. Just wanting to know how many folks she should be looking to hire.
Here is the situation. She has a high profile job in DC (easily pulls 12 hour days) and often has to go to events at night. She also wants almost around the clock care on the weekends. She will not be gone all weekend- but she often has work situations pop up that have to be dealt with immediately. She is going to be a single mom.
She is honestly wanting 12-13 hours a day of care, 7 days a week.
Please no snark about how she should have a kid if she can't care for it... The situation is what it is.
Is her budget pretty large? if so, i would suggest the following:
From birth - 4 months old or so - Newborn Care Specialist to work 24/7 the first 3 - 4 weeks, then 15 hour overnights the next 9+ weeks. Bring in a REALLY experienced full-charge nanny at 3 - 4 weeks to work the 9 hour daytime shift. This nanny will live in, and will transition to full charge nanny/nanny manager when NCS is finished. Have the nanny manager and the NCS assist with hiring of 2 additional nannies who will join the team the week before NCS leaves. COST - NCS likely $300+/day for full days, $250+ for 15 hour shifts. Nanny Manager likely $18+/hour for first weeks, then $80K+ when she transitions.
4 months forward - Nanny Manager will live in and will take on the tasks of caring for baby from 7p - 7a and managing schedules/clothes and food purchases, etc for baby as he grows. She needs to be a nanny who has been full-charge for high profile HNW families before, who is comfortable living in and taking on all the child related tasks a SAHM would usually deal with. NM will schedule and manage the other 2 nannies. Those nannies will either work a 4/3 split or 3.5 days each per week, 12 hours a day from 7a - 7p. They will likely be paid $16+/hour, and need to be experienced in a staffed home, willing to work for the good of baby and mom, and not prone to shoving unpleasant tasks onto others. No one loves to to laundry, but everyone has to pitch in, just as an example.
I would have the daytime split shift look like this:
Nanny Jane works W/Th/F/Sa from 7a - 7p and Nanny Anne works Sa 7p - 7a and Su/M/Tu from 7a - 7p. Every 4 weeks they switch schedules if desired, so that they can each have "lighter" work weeks and not have one continually working the 24 hour Saturday 7p - Sunday 7p shift. Each will work 48 hours/week, grossing $850 - 900 each weekly.
Nanny Manager will live in and work 7p - 7a Sunday - Friday, will put in up to 20 additional hours as needed M - F during the day (running errands for baby, lesson planning, scheduling other nannies and checking in with them, etc.), working 92 hours per week, although much of that time will be overnights.
With 3 nannies, they can cover each other's vacations without working ridiculous OT, and your SIL will have the 24/7 coverage she needs to do her job. The Nanny Manager also will be simply "on call" when your SIL is home and ready to take on caretaker duties.
Sorry Nannydeb but you didn't read all the updates, yea apparently this woman is a high-power high-earner but she also lives in a 2 BR apartment (or tiny house) with all her kids so there is absolutely no room for a live in of any kind.
Anonymous
07/14/2015 17:22
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
Anonymous wrote:Get an au-pair and a full time nanny and work their hours together.
+1. If she is working 70+ hour/week, she must make good money, so she should upgrade to a 3BR apartment.
She needs an Au Pair or Live-In, who can be flexible and change their schedule as her schedule changes. Plus an additional Full-time nanny.
nannydebsays
07/14/2015 15:08
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
Anonymous wrote:Ok, so here in the deal.
I am former nanny and I am trying to help my SIL plan out her kiddo care needs. I know that she will need a ton of help- and that its too much for 1 nanny. Just wanting to know how many folks she should be looking to hire.
Here is the situation. She has a high profile job in DC (easily pulls 12 hour days) and often has to go to events at night. She also wants almost around the clock care on the weekends. She will not be gone all weekend- but she often has work situations pop up that have to be dealt with immediately. She is going to be a single mom.
She is honestly wanting 12-13 hours a day of care, 7 days a week.
Please no snark about how she should have a kid if she can't care for it... The situation is what it is.
Is her budget pretty large? if so, i would suggest the following:
From birth - 4 months old or so - Newborn Care Specialist to work 24/7 the first 3 - 4 weeks, then 15 hour overnights the next 9+ weeks. Bring in a REALLY experienced full-charge nanny at 3 - 4 weeks to work the 9 hour daytime shift. This nanny will live in, and will transition to full charge nanny/nanny manager when NCS is finished. Have the nanny manager and the NCS assist with hiring of 2 additional nannies who will join the team the week before NCS leaves. COST - NCS likely $300+/day for full days, $250+ for 15 hour shifts. Nanny Manager likely $18+/hour for first weeks, then $80K+ when she transitions.
4 months forward - Nanny Manager will live in and will take on the tasks of caring for baby from 7p - 7a and managing schedules/clothes and food purchases, etc for baby as he grows. She needs to be a nanny who has been full-charge for high profile HNW families before, who is comfortable living in and taking on all the child related tasks a SAHM would usually deal with. NM will schedule and manage the other 2 nannies. Those nannies will either work a 4/3 split or 3.5 days each per week, 12 hours a day from 7a - 7p. They will likely be paid $16+/hour, and need to be experienced in a staffed home, willing to work for the good of baby and mom, and not prone to shoving unpleasant tasks onto others. No one loves to to laundry, but everyone has to pitch in, just as an example.
I would have the daytime split shift look like this:
Nanny Jane works W/Th/F/Sa from 7a - 7p and Nanny Anne works Sa 7p - 7a and Su/M/Tu from 7a - 7p. Every 4 weeks they switch schedules if desired, so that they can each have "lighter" work weeks and not have one continually working the 24 hour Saturday 7p - Sunday 7p shift. Each will work 48 hours/week, grossing $850 - 900 each weekly.
Nanny Manager will live in and work 7p - 7a Sunday - Friday, will put in up to 20 additional hours as needed M - F during the day (running errands for baby, lesson planning, scheduling other nannies and checking in with them, etc.), working 92 hours per week, although much of that time will be overnights.
With 3 nannies, they can cover each other's vacations without working ridiculous OT, and your SIL will have the 24/7 coverage she needs to do her job. The Nanny Manager also will be simply "on call" when your SIL is home and ready to take on caretaker duties.
Anonymous
07/14/2015 09:05
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Get an au-pair and a full time nanny and work their hours together.
We would go the au-pair route, but she lives in a 2 bedroom place. I honestly wish I could take the job- and raise our kids as close cousins. But I a few years away from the pension vesting. And that is just too big a deal to pass up.
A grown up with children living in a 2 bedroom place that never sees her kids and let her marriage fall apart? Sounds like a winner with her priorities in order!
Anonymous
07/14/2015 08:37
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
Anonymous wrote:Get an au-pair and a full time nanny and work their hours together.
We would go the au-pair route, but she lives in a 2 bedroom place. I honestly wish I could take the job- and raise our kids as close cousins. But I a few years away from the pension vesting. And that is just too big a deal to pass up.
Anonymous
07/14/2015 08:00
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
Get an au-pair and a full time nanny and work their hours together.
Anonymous
07/14/2015 06:43
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
"Anonymous
Put the child up for adoption and look for someone who truly wants a child to love and nuture and values the child more than her job,
not an accessory child who is brought out for photo ops."
+1
I work FT but this sounds just awful. if she is a single mom she needs to make changes to accommodate the fact that she is now a mom and needs to spend some time with her child. Poor kid.
Put the child up for adoption and look for someone who truly wants a child to love and nuture and values the child more than her job,
not an accessory child who is brought out for photo ops."
+1
I work FT but this sounds just awful. if she is a single mom she needs to make changes to accommodate the fact that she is now a mom and needs to spend some time with her child. Poor kid.
Anonymous
07/14/2015 05:52
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
3:48
That is what we were thinking too. She is going to need folks in it for the long haul- so we want to offer great wages AND time off.
Will add that I have the summers off- so we are already trying to find ways to sweeten the deal by giving a lot of paid time off in the summer. I'd love it because then my DS will have tons of bonding time with his cousin!
Heck- if I could I would take the job! As a mom I'd love the idea of compacted hours and then having the rest of the time off to hang with family.
That is what we were thinking too. She is going to need folks in it for the long haul- so we want to offer great wages AND time off.
Will add that I have the summers off- so we are already trying to find ways to sweeten the deal by giving a lot of paid time off in the summer. I'd love it because then my DS will have tons of bonding time with his cousin!
Heck- if I could I would take the job! As a mom I'd love the idea of compacted hours and then having the rest of the time off to hang with family.
Anonymous
07/14/2015 03:48
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
I think it would be easier to find people willing to sign up for either the 60 hr M-F position, or the weekend only position. But I think you will have a very hard time keeping a weekend only nanny happy enough to stick around long term.
On the one hand, if you can offer a stable, fair schedule to both nannies (the 3.5/3.5 set up sounds good, maybe one nanny does all day Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday morning, and the other nanny does Wednesday evening, Thursday all day, Friday, and Saturday?), then that might offer enough solid time off for them to not be too burnt out.
If you can get just the right pair, you might be able to get them to collaborate on the workload (for example, one chooses to do most of the laundry and vacuuming while the other might choose to do the grocery trips and prepare meals?). You might want to schedule them to overlap an hour or so on whatever day they split so they have a good chance to discuss details. For that sort of collaboration to work you need two great nannies and also nannies who feel they are being treated roughly equally by MB (hence why a 24-30 hr weekend nanny might not feel she is being treated as well as the 60 hr weekday nanny who gets OT pay and weekends off). Another perk to this scenario is that OT pay is minimized, while ensuring that both nannies are being paid for enough hours to get by (assuming 11-12 hour workdays and a fair wage).
I've always been one of the 50 hour weekday nannies myself, but the more I think about this scenario (42 hours per week but 3.5 day weekends every week), the better it sounds!
On the one hand, if you can offer a stable, fair schedule to both nannies (the 3.5/3.5 set up sounds good, maybe one nanny does all day Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday morning, and the other nanny does Wednesday evening, Thursday all day, Friday, and Saturday?), then that might offer enough solid time off for them to not be too burnt out.
If you can get just the right pair, you might be able to get them to collaborate on the workload (for example, one chooses to do most of the laundry and vacuuming while the other might choose to do the grocery trips and prepare meals?). You might want to schedule them to overlap an hour or so on whatever day they split so they have a good chance to discuss details. For that sort of collaboration to work you need two great nannies and also nannies who feel they are being treated roughly equally by MB (hence why a 24-30 hr weekend nanny might not feel she is being treated as well as the 60 hr weekday nanny who gets OT pay and weekends off). Another perk to this scenario is that OT pay is minimized, while ensuring that both nannies are being paid for enough hours to get by (assuming 11-12 hour workdays and a fair wage).
I've always been one of the 50 hour weekday nannies myself, but the more I think about this scenario (42 hours per week but 3.5 day weekends every week), the better it sounds!
Anonymous
07/14/2015 00:34
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
I would say she should consider hiring between 2-3 people to assist her.
If she hired just one person to do all this work, the quality of care would suffer since every human being needs a respite from working.
Perhaps she can hire a full-time nanny for week days, then a weekend nanny for weekends and a third nanny to use as a back-up option or just to cover some slack when the full-time nanny wants some time off.
If she hired just one person to do all this work, the quality of care would suffer since every human being needs a respite from working.
Perhaps she can hire a full-time nanny for week days, then a weekend nanny for weekends and a third nanny to use as a back-up option or just to cover some slack when the full-time nanny wants some time off.
Anonymous
07/13/2015 23:26
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:2 nannies. either one works four days and one works three, or they each work four days per week, and alternate weekly.
Or they could each work 3.5 days per week.
That's kind of what we were thinking. But not sure which she'd have an easier time hiring for. Scenario 1: 60 hour a week M-F nanny and 1 weekend nanny or more of a 3/4 split.
In my experience it's easier to find good nannies who will stay long term willing to do the 4/on/off or 3.5 on/off type of schedule. My current family needs weekend help and it's hell finding good reliable people. Pay is good, hours are good, kids are great! Everything is good, but we still struggle to find and keep a good weekend nanny.
Anonymous
07/13/2015 16:32
Subject: What kind of help does she need?
Anonymous wrote:What field is your sister in, OP?
Lobbyist.