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You owe her severance if you are the one choosing to terminate the employment. Just FYI.

Yes, we will give her something.

2 weeks plus all her vacation and sick days that remain unused paid at time and a half.

You must be joking!!! You think the nanny is owed after what she has done?? If anything the nanny should be the one paying for 2 tickets.

You do not owe anything when you fire for cause, and this nanny was absolutely fired for cause. I would not pay her out a cent, other than her pay for hours she already worked.

I am eternally amazed at how absolutely anything can be turned into an argument here. It is impossible to say anything without being shredded by someone.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You owe her severance if you are the one choosing to terminate the employment. Just FYI.

Yes, we will give her something.

2 weeks plus all her vacation and sick days that remain unused paid at time and a half.

really? if you are fired for running a red light TWICE with the child in the car (and in a dangerous blatant way as OP described)? why is this not considered for cause? if you are fired because you beat up a child, or left a child unattended in a dangerous situation, I doubt you are entitled to all that. why is this different? OP is not overreacting or being paranoid, the nanny was an idiot ass and was rightfully fired.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You owe her severance if you are the one choosing to terminate the employment. Just FYI.

Yes, we will give her something.

2 weeks plus all her vacation and sick days that remain unused paid at time and a half.

Anonymous wrote:

You owe her severance if you are the one choosing to terminate the employment. Just FYI.

Yes, we will give her something.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You maybe not have gotten a ticket but you are old and they didn't have red light cameras when you were doing most of your driving. You can't honestly tell me you haven't run a "red" light. Just like everyone else we don't often slam on the brakes when the light turns yellow, and then 2.5 seconds later it's red. It's not as big of a deal as you are trying to make it. It's just another way for city governments to make more money.

It's not like she blew through a intersection that has long been red with traffic already moving and narrowly avoided a semi. Stop overreacting.

OP here - There has been a camera at that red light since before I got my license. I drove though that intersection every day of my life until I left for college.

Of course I have accidentally run a red light - I am from NYC, yellow means speed up here - but never with my kids in the car and not as blatantly as she did. If you read my original post carefully, you would know that in the first photo, the light was red and the car had not even reached the crosswalk. The cars going in the opposite direction on the other side of the intersection were stopped and the car in front of her was already on the other side of the other crosswalk. In the second photo, she was in the middle of the intersection.

Anyway, she is fired. It makes me sick to think of what could have happened. I know that intersection and the driving patterns there like the back of my hand. She is incredibly lucky that she did not t-bone someone making a last second left turn.

Thank you all for your comments.

You owe her severance if you are the one choosing to terminate the employment. Just FYI.

Anonymous wrote:You maybe not have gotten a ticket but you are old and they didn't have red light cameras when you were doing most of your driving. You can't honestly tell me you haven't run a "red" light. Just like everyone else we don't often slam on the brakes when the light turns yellow, and then 2.5 seconds later it's red. It's not as big of a deal as you are trying to make it. It's just another way for city governments to make more money.

It's not like she blew through a intersection that has long been red with traffic already moving and narrowly avoided a semi. Stop overreacting.

OP here - There has been a camera at that red light since before I got my license. I drove though that intersection every day of my life until I left for college.

Of course I have accidentally run a red light - I am from NYC, yellow means speed up here - but never with my kids in the car and not as blatantly as she did. If you read my original post carefully, you would know that in the first photo, the light was red and the car had not even reached the crosswalk. The cars going in the opposite direction on the other side of the intersection were stopped and the car in front of her was already on the other side of the other crosswalk. In the second photo, she was in the middle of the intersection.

Anyway, she is fired. It makes me sick to think of what could have happened. I know that intersection and the driving patterns there like the back of my hand. She is incredibly lucky that she did not t-bone someone making a last second left turn.

Thank you all for your comments.

Anonymous wrote:You maybe not have gotten a ticket but you are old and they didn't have red light cameras when you were doing most of your driving. You can't honestly tell me you haven't run a "red" light. Just like everyone else we don't often slam on the brakes when the light turns yellow, and then 2.5 seconds later it's red. It's not as big of a deal as you are trying to make it. It's just another way for city governments to make more money.

It's not like she blew through a intersection that has long been red with traffic already moving and narrowly avoided a semi. Stop overreacting.

She is free to drive like that on her own time. She was working. Different standards apply.

You maybe not have gotten a ticket but you are old and they didn't have red light cameras when you were doing most of your driving. You can't honestly tell me you haven't run a "red" light. Just like everyone else we don't often slam on the brakes when the light turns yellow, and then 2.5 seconds later it's red. It's not as big of a deal as you are trying to make it. It's just another way for city governments to make more money.

It's not like she blew through a intersection that has long been red with traffic already moving and narrowly avoided a semi. Stop overreacting.

If I were in your shoes OP, I would fire her immediately.

Running a red light is a very serious driving offense for the sole purpose that she is in an intersection where oncoming cars that have the right-of-way likely will assume they are in the clear + thus may collide w/her vehicle.

45% of collisions occur in intersections in my state of CA.

Don't find out too late on the third strike how dangerous a driver she is.

Either let her go ASAP or relieve her of any driving duties right away.

I would overlook it once but twice is not acceptable. what about other lights where there were no traffic cameras? she's unsafe for your kids.

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if I jump immediately to firing her, that's a serious decision and has to be made in a larger context. But I would have a very direct talk with her that this is unacceptable and I would let her know that you're considering firing her because of these infractions. Being able to trust in the safety of your children while in her care is absolutely non-negotiable and she is giving you repeated cause to question that.

If you are aware of this level of driving infraction then what else does she do behind the wheel that goes uncaught?

I find your message almost fascinating. a serious decision that has to be made in a larger context? how large the context for you? this person was cought by a camera twice running the red light, with OP's child in OP's car. would you consider keeping a nanny like that? "she is great, loving, cooks good food, the child loves her, yes, she every couple of months she runs a red light with my child in the car, but hey, so far so good, so we can't complain".

also, I am not sure why you are wondering what else she does without beign caught. running a full speed into an intersection with a full red light (so people coming from the side have a full green light) is dangerous to the point that you are lucky if you come out alive and not injured if you do it just once. running a red light with the baby in the car is reason enough to fire the nanny after the first time IMO, and with no doubt after the second time. there is really no need to think about what else because running a red light is pretty high in the scale already

Anonymous wrote:That's a huge deal. Wreckless driving with your kid? Yikes. She needs to stop driving him around before she gets hit. Imagine red lights she runs where there are no cameras?

Reckless driving frequently causes wrecks.

Anonymous wrote:Is not driving an option? If not, here is what I would do. Also, I assume this is your car because you received the tickets in the mail.

She has to pay the tickets. She gets another one, she's fired immediately, no severance. I would also look into a drivers safety course. Either you pay for it and she has to do it on her own time or she pays for it and uses a PTO day. If she refuses, she's fired. Irresponsible driving is not something I would tolerate.

I agree with this 100% except you don't pay for the defensive driving course. I'd also remove all driving privileges until the course is completed or indefinitely.