Anonymous
Post 09/10/2014 16:10     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

You can't bring your husband and you will be expected to help entertain the kids in the airport and on the plane.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2014 15:29     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

Anonymous wrote:My dad had to travel for work when I was a kid, and I have tons of memories of my mom and I tagging along. I know plenty of people today that do the same thing with their spouses. So all those suggesting that business travel should never include a spouse are I think a little off base.

That's not to say that traveling for work as a nanny and trying to bring a spouse isn't a bit more complicated, but I don't think it needs to be dismissed outright. Has your nanny family met your DH? Comfortable with him around the kids? etc. If you're willing to pay for separate accommodations I think that will probably make it much more appealing for MB/DB. Also think abut what your plan would be for him while you're working. Would he be hanging out with you and the kids, or off doing his own thing? His coming along could be a bonus on the plane though. Assuming he was willing, he could be an extra pair of hands to help with the kids on the flight, as well as help keep you calm.


And who paid for all this tagging along - specifically, the flights?
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2014 07:14     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time I have traveled with my employers it has been horrible. Very little time to myself, horrible sleeping arrangements, and the flight was hell. How old are the kids? A flight to Hawaii is crazy long and if the parents are expecting you to take care of them during the flight it will be your worst nightmare. If I were you I would do whatever I could to get out of it especially if you want to keep your relationship with your nanny family good. 10-12 days would suck.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2014 06:51     Subject: Re:Just got invited to Hawaii :)

Anonymous wrote:This conversation is very interesting, as we're considering inviting our nanny to join us in Hawaii in the spring. We will be there for a family wedding, along with our in laws, and we all want to spend time with the kids, so I worry there will not be enough "work" for our nanny to do. On the other hand, we will all be attending wedding events and will be out late in the evening and I'd rather have our nanny watch the kids than rely on the hotel babysitting service. I'm also considering offering to take her 15 year old daughter as well, although maybe I'd offer to pay for the daughter's flight instead of paying her salary for the week (the flight would be more than her salary, anyway). The difference between a daughter and a husband is that her daughter has helped babysit our kids in th past and is very good with them. I would expect or want my nanny's husband to take care of my kids.

In my situation, I'm concerned that we'll be spending a lot of money for our nanny to join us and yet we won't really need her to nanny all that much. I would consider it more of a gift to bring her on a really nice vacation. But would a nanny not really see a vacation as a benefit, but a burden?


As another poster said, she still needs to pay her bills, so offering to pay her daughter's airfare instead of a salary isn't worth it. I also would not have the daughter come out unless you are willing to pay her expenses as well. Unless you are willing to pay the daughter's expenses in exchange for her helping with the kids, it won't be worth it. And besides, she is 15. She may get there and say to mom, I'm going to the beach, you watch the kids. Expectations and agreements need to be laid out in advance.

If you do decide to take the nanny, let her know upfront what your expectations of her are while you are out there. "You won't be working your regular hours, but these are the hours we would like for you to work instead. "
I had a family take me on trips that were mostly a vacation for me, but they did not want to leave the kids with a hotel babysitter. I also don't know which island you will be going to or the ages of your children, but if you had younger children and you wanted to do a hike or something like that, you may want to leave them with your nanny.
And for the first couple of days out there, because of the time change, your kids will be up super early and so it might be nice to have nanny take the children for a bit while you sleep in or help you during the transition. And take advantage of those days where they are up early and get out to see some of the sites.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2014 05:53     Subject: Re:Just got invited to Hawaii :)

Anonymous wrote:This conversation is very interesting, as we're considering inviting our nanny to join us in Hawaii in the spring. We will be there for a family wedding, along with our in laws, and we all want to spend time with the kids, so I worry there will not be enough "work" for our nanny to do. On the other hand, we will all be attending wedding events and will be out late in the evening and I'd rather have our nanny watch the kids than rely on the hotel babysitting service. I'm also considering offering to take her 15 year old daughter as well, although maybe I'd offer to pay for the daughter's flight instead of paying her salary for the week (the flight would be more than her salary, anyway). The difference between a daughter and a husband is that her daughter has helped babysit our kids in th past and is very good with them. I would expect or want my nanny's husband to take care of my kids.

In my situation, I'm concerned that we'll be spending a lot of money for our nanny to join us and yet we won't really need her to nanny all that much. I would consider it more of a gift to bring her on a really nice vacation. But would a nanny not really see a vacation as a benefit, but a burden?


The thing about paying for the daughters flight in lieu of actually paying her salary--Do you think the nanny doesn't need to still pay her rent/mortgage just because she is going to Hawaii for a week? Her car payment? Her electric/water/gas bill? Those expenses won't stop, no matter how nice of a trip you pay for her daughter.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2014 00:21     Subject: Re:Just got invited to Hawaii :)

This conversation is very interesting, as we're considering inviting our nanny to join us in Hawaii in the spring. We will be there for a family wedding, along with our in laws, and we all want to spend time with the kids, so I worry there will not be enough "work" for our nanny to do. On the other hand, we will all be attending wedding events and will be out late in the evening and I'd rather have our nanny watch the kids than rely on the hotel babysitting service. I'm also considering offering to take her 15 year old daughter as well, although maybe I'd offer to pay for the daughter's flight instead of paying her salary for the week (the flight would be more than her salary, anyway). The difference between a daughter and a husband is that her daughter has helped babysit our kids in th past and is very good with them. I would expect or want my nanny's husband to take care of my kids.

In my situation, I'm concerned that we'll be spending a lot of money for our nanny to join us and yet we won't really need her to nanny all that much. I would consider it more of a gift to bring her on a really nice vacation. But would a nanny not really see a vacation as a benefit, but a burden?
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2014 05:28     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

No, do not even ask if your husband can come along. If you do that, it sounds like you are making this out to be a second honeymoon (are you?) and it will come off as unprofessional in nature.

Also, make sure before you accept their offer, you all discuss in NUMBERS exactly what you will be compensated for and what your exact hours/duties will be.

It would be so awkward to be stuck on the island out there and be miserable for almost two weeks.

And remember, this is WORK. Hawaii sounds so tropical, exotic and very romantic, but this is all business for you. For them, it is a holiday.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2014 17:34     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

OP, this is fodder for disaster. Do not go.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2014 17:19     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My dad had to travel for work when I was a kid, and I have tons of memories of my mom and I tagging along. I know plenty of people today that do the same thing with their spouses. So all those suggesting that business travel should never include a spouse are I think a little off base.

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That's nice that your dad worked in an industry where it was appropriate for you and your mom to tag along. That is not the case with travel for all industries. My husband was an active duty Marine for 23 years. He often had to travel for work (for much longer than 12 days), and we (my kids and I) did not tag along. It was not appropriate for the type of work he was doing. Same with the type of work OP is doing.


Huh? Also active duty spouse here and have tagged along. I'm a frequent traveler anyway and made my own arrangements and basically saw DH in the evenings for dinner. I've visited him during deployments - obviously not combat ones - before. Nothing inappropriate about it. It's not like the military can stop me from traveling wherever I feel like, that's kind of a bizarre thought process.

OP, if your husband pays his own airfare and hotel room and knows he'll be without you most of the time, it's fine for him to come. But he would have to see it as a vacation by himself where he would just maybe run into his wife a few times. I would not make ANY plans with him.


I'm the top quoted PP and this was exactly what I was getting at. There's a whole wide range of expectations here. If OP's DH is expecting to hang out with her and the kids all day, I definitely understand MB/DB being a bit uncomfortable with that (though if they know DH well maybe they won't care about that, who knows!). But if DH is conscious of the fact that you're there to work, and is cool doing his own thing then it could work fine.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2014 16:09     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

No. It is not fine for your DH to come. It is absolutely inappropriate. Besides, you will be spending all your work time waiting for your time off with your DH, which will likely translate into your being unable to focus on your work, which is why you are there in the first place.

If you don't want to go, don't go.

If you do, take the PPs advice on having clear expectations of your work day and responsibilities and making sure you aren't on duty 24/7.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2014 11:22     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My dad had to travel for work when I was a kid, and I have tons of memories of my mom and I tagging along. I know plenty of people today that do the same thing with their spouses. So all those suggesting that business travel should never include a spouse are I think a little off base.

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That's nice that your dad worked in an industry where it was appropriate for you and your mom to tag along. That is not the case with travel for all industries. My husband was an active duty Marine for 23 years. He often had to travel for work (for much longer than 12 days), and we (my kids and I) did not tag along. It was not appropriate for the type of work he was doing. Same with the type of work OP is doing.


Huh? Also active duty spouse here and have tagged along. I'm a frequent traveler anyway and made my own arrangements and basically saw DH in the evenings for dinner. I've visited him during deployments - obviously not combat ones - before. Nothing inappropriate about it. It's not like the military can stop me from traveling wherever I feel like, that's kind of a bizarre thought process.

OP, if your husband pays his own airfare and hotel room and knows he'll be without you most of the time, it's fine for him to come. But he would have to see it as a vacation by himself where he would just maybe run into his wife a few times. I would not make ANY plans with him.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2014 10:13     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

Something to consider: when I traveled with families in the past, the parents were usually more lax in terms of junk food, some rules, bed times, etc. Not to the point where it disrupted schedules, but if they wanted a cookie in the middle of the day, or extra TV time, it was more relaxed.

Because of this, I stepped into more of a mothers helper type role on vacation. It worked out better for us. Also, for some trips grandparents came too. major spoiling going on.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2014 07:35     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

OP, let us know what you decide!
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2014 04:21     Subject: Just got invited to Hawaii :)

The mom is a lazy ass ...
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2014 22:47     Subject: Re:Just got invited to Hawaii :)

PP gave you lots of good advice.

Our nanny travels with us routinely. We pay her regular rate plus overtime if we go out to dinner/ask her to work an extra day, etc. As others have said, it is important to know how much you will be working. 10-12 days of straight working is really long. You probably should ask to have one day off in the middle particularly if you working in the evenings while the family goes out to dinner.

Hawaii is great, and it would be nice if you had a day to explore on your own. I'd recommend asking about your schedule also so that you can schedule a tour in advance or whatever you might want to do.

Also, Hawaii is expensive. Are they going to pay for your meals during your off time (if there is any). It's hard to ask...I look at it this way...when I travel for work, I get a per diem amount for food. If our nanny isn't with us, then I give her a "per diem" to cover food.

Lastly, re the airplane. Honestly, one of the best parts of our trip is having our nanny with us on the plane. Hawaii is a long way away, and I know that I would want our nanny to play with our kids for part of the time so that I could read/work/sleep. If you don't fly well, make that clear up front.

Enjoy!