Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 14:49     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Please. In what industry does increased experience not also mean more cost to the employer ie. a higher salary to the employee? If you want to hire someone with a ton of experience, you should expect to pay at the higher end of salaries. If you don't want to pay at the higher end of salaries, 20 years of experience better not be on your list of requirements. It annoys me to no end when I see silly first time parents asking for the world in a nanny, but don't want to pay for it. It is disrespectful, and disingenuous of you PP to act as though experience is not a huge factor in the quality of the nanny. To most parents, that is one of the biggest factors, even more so than education level.

This is true but it is true up to a point - in that your salary does go up with years of experience, but it does not do so indefinitely. In every professional occupation (as well as nannying), you will eventually hit a point of experience at which further additional years in the profession no longer generate an additional return. Every profession has a pay ceiling through which it is highly uncommon to break through. Furthermore, the nanny field is disadvantaged in that you may accrue experience and annual raises during your stay with one family, but you are likely to take a pay cut when you start a new job (inevitably) because your countdown of annual raises now has to start anew.


This is the disconnect, and why I don't understand parents who think this way. A worker stays with a particular company for a good number of years, gaining experience and new skills. That employee decides to make a switch to a new company. That company would not offer that employee the same salary they would a green employee. They offer a salary commensurate with experience. You don't start all over with each new job. Why is it okay to do this to a nanny with significant experience and proven longevity with a family? I have been nannying for 6 years now. I started as a college student making $12/hour working a few hours per week. I have increased my experience, my skills, and my references with each new position. I have never taken a pay cut for a new job. I agree that there are ceilings to your earning potential unique to each profession, but I completely disagree that a nanny has to climb the ladder all over again with each new job. If done correctly, a nanny should be increasing her skills and experience base with every position, and seeking out more challenging but more lucrative jobs, like any professional. I went from sitting a few hours per week at a low rate for a professor at my school, to caring for infant triplets for a very wealthy family making money that makes my family's jaw drop when they question my income. However I don't argue that the ceiling exists, and I will be "retiring" from nannying in another year because of it.
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 14:44     Subject: what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
"This is true but it is true up to a point - in that your salary does go up with years of experience, but it does not do so indefinitely. In every professional occupation (as well as nannying), you will eventually hit a point of experience at which further additional years in the profession no longer generate an additional return. Every profession has a pay ceiling through which it is highly uncommon to break through. Furthermore, the nanny field is disadvantaged in that you may accrue experience and annual raises during your stay with one family, but you are likely to take a pay cut when you start a new job (inevitably) because your countdown of annual raises now has to start anew. "

+1
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 14:22     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Anonymous wrote:
Please. In what industry does increased experience not also mean more cost to the employer ie. a higher salary to the employee? If you want to hire someone with a ton of experience, you should expect to pay at the higher end of salaries. If you don't want to pay at the higher end of salaries, 20 years of experience better not be on your list of requirements. It annoys me to no end when I see silly first time parents asking for the world in a nanny, but don't want to pay for it. It is disrespectful, and disingenuous of you PP to act as though experience is not a huge factor in the quality of the nanny. To most parents, that is one of the biggest factors, even more so than education level.

This is true but it is true up to a point - in that your salary does go up with years of experience, but it does not do so indefinitely. In every professional occupation (as well as nannying), you will eventually hit a point of experience at which further additional years in the profession no longer generate an additional return. Every profession has a pay ceiling through which it is highly uncommon to break through. Furthermore, the nanny field is disadvantaged in that you may accrue experience and annual raises during your stay with one family, but you are likely to take a pay cut when you start a new job (inevitably) because your countdown of annual raises now has to start anew.
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 14:19     Subject: what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Anonymous wrote:You really think childcare is so simple, 13:07? Is that why we're turning more and more special needs children?

Special needs children aren't made by the kind of childcare they receive.
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 13:55     Subject: what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Exactly. That's why the offended 20 year nanny is silly.
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 13:46     Subject: what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
It all depends on what you care most about, doesn't it? Some have expectations than others. It's ok.
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 13:42     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Anonymous wrote:
OP the gross per week/guaranteed hours defines the rate more than what you hear on this board. $700-$800 is a very good salary for 2 kids for 40-50 hours. A share is usually $1-$2 more. Avoid nannies who think a share is quick windfall way to go from making $10 an hour to $20 an hour. The nannies on this board who think that people in the DC area are paying $900-$1000 starting weekly salaries are just trying to scam you.

I suggest you negotiate and budget in terms of weekly gross/guaranteed hours.This is far. far clearer. Every nanny that we interviewed told us their previous average rate not the lower base rate. On this board, a few bad nannies flip the opposite way and want you to believe that the average is the base. Its not. When people here say they are paying $15, its $15 average not $15 base and $22 overtime.




In the contract specify the actual base and OT rate. If you go over the hours in the contract you would pay the higher OT rate.



Just as I wouldn't presume to know what the average pay, is for your occupation, you insult every care giver, by doing the same thing. I've told potential employers, who've wanted to pay me $8 per child, for a share, that there was nothing wrong with their pay, BUT I simply wasn't a good fit for them In any job, after you've accrued 10-15 years of experience in a particular field, I find it to be arrogant, and ignorant, when parents like you assume that your perceived "good salary" will be agreeable to all. You need to have a whole stadium of seats, with your tight-fisted attitude. You mentioned 50 hour weeks, which is in essence a parenting job. Would you accept $800 a week to be a parent to more than one child, for most of your time? The ridiculousness on this board, is unparalleled.


While you make some good points, PP, I think you are overemphasizing the impact of experience in the nanny field. Sadly, perhaps, having years of experience doesn't necessarily make you a better nanny. There are no particular innovations in the nanny field, nor are there specific and measurable skills that define a good nanny or a great nanny. Really, it is a pretty specific match that results in a higher than average wage. Further, parents often see the job in economic terms that make sense to them. Their job may be a $17/hr job. You may want $20/hr because of your experience and your last salary. You may be worth every penny, but if a parent isn't able to be convinced that you are worth $20/hr for them and their job, they are going to pass on you. That isn't an insult, nor isn't it arrogant or ignorant. It is just the fact that there is no way to judge a quality nanny you haven't hired yet, there are many good candidates available at market rates, and childcare is really pretty simple.


Also, if you really want to engage in productive conversation, you may want to avoid the hyperbole. You are not a parent to your charge at 50 hours a week. You are a treasured caregiver, but very far from being a parent.


Please. In what industry does increased experience not also mean more cost to the employer ie. a higher salary to the employee? If you want to hire someone with a ton of experience, you should expect to pay at the higher end of salaries. If you don't want to pay at the higher end of salaries, 20 years of experience better not be on your list of requirements. It annoys me to no end when I see silly first time parents asking for the world in a nanny, but don't want to pay for it. It is disrespectful, and disingenuous of you PP to act as though experience is not a huge factor in the quality of the nanny. To most parents, that is one of the biggest factors, even more so than education level.


Clearly, you missed the point. 20 years experience is not on my list of requirements because it doesn't make for a better nanny. It may, and if I believed as such, I would certainly pay for it. But it doesn't. Child care is not rocket science. A 23 year old with little experience but excellent instincts is worth as much, or more, than a 20 yr veteran with regular skills. It isn't a matter of respect. It's a matter of needs, supply and demand.
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 13:34     Subject: what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
You really think childcare is so simple, 13:07? Is that why we're turning more and more special needs children?
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 13:24     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Anonymous wrote:
OP the gross per week/guaranteed hours defines the rate more than what you hear on this board. $700-$800 is a very good salary for 2 kids for 40-50 hours. A share is usually $1-$2 more. Avoid nannies who think a share is quick windfall way to go from making $10 an hour to $20 an hour. The nannies on this board who think that people in the DC area are paying $900-$1000 starting weekly salaries are just trying to scam you.

I suggest you negotiate and budget in terms of weekly gross/guaranteed hours.This is far. far clearer. Every nanny that we interviewed told us their previous average rate not the lower base rate. On this board, a few bad nannies flip the opposite way and want you to believe that the average is the base. Its not. When people here say they are paying $15, its $15 average not $15 base and $22 overtime.




In the contract specify the actual base and OT rate. If you go over the hours in the contract you would pay the higher OT rate.



Just as I wouldn't presume to know what the average pay, is for your occupation, you insult every care giver, by doing the same thing. I've told potential employers, who've wanted to pay me $8 per child, for a share, that there was nothing wrong with their pay, BUT I simply wasn't a good fit for them In any job, after you've accrued 10-15 years of experience in a particular field, I find it to be arrogant, and ignorant, when parents like you assume that your perceived "good salary" will be agreeable to all. You need to have a whole stadium of seats, with your tight-fisted attitude. You mentioned 50 hour weeks, which is in essence a parenting job. Would you accept $800 a week to be a parent to more than one child, for most of your time? The ridiculousness on this board, is unparalleled.


While you make some good points, PP, I think you are overemphasizing the impact of experience in the nanny field. Sadly, perhaps, having years of experience doesn't necessarily make you a better nanny. There are no particular innovations in the nanny field, nor are there specific and measurable skills that define a good nanny or a great nanny. Really, it is a pretty specific match that results in a higher than average wage. Further, parents often see the job in economic terms that make sense to them. Their job may be a $17/hr job. You may want $20/hr because of your experience and your last salary. You may be worth every penny, but if a parent isn't able to be convinced that you are worth $20/hr for them and their job, they are going to pass on you. That isn't an insult, nor isn't it arrogant or ignorant. It is just the fact that there is no way to judge a quality nanny you haven't hired yet, there are many good candidates available at market rates, and childcare is really pretty simple.


Also, if you really want to engage in productive conversation, you may want to avoid the hyperbole. You are not a parent to your charge at 50 hours a week. You are a treasured caregiver, but very far from being a parent.


Please. In what industry does increased experience not also mean more cost to the employer ie. a higher salary to the employee? If you want to hire someone with a ton of experience, you should expect to pay at the higher end of salaries. If you don't want to pay at the higher end of salaries, 20 years of experience better not be on your list of requirements. It annoys me to no end when I see silly first time parents asking for the world in a nanny, but don't want to pay for it. It is disrespectful, and disingenuous of you PP to act as though experience is not a huge factor in the quality of the nanny. To most parents, that is one of the biggest factors, even more so than education level.
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2014 13:07     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
OP the gross per week/guaranteed hours defines the rate more than what you hear on this board. $700-$800 is a very good salary for 2 kids for 40-50 hours. A share is usually $1-$2 more. Avoid nannies who think a share is quick windfall way to go from making $10 an hour to $20 an hour. The nannies on this board who think that people in the DC area are paying $900-$1000 starting weekly salaries are just trying to scam you.

I suggest you negotiate and budget in terms of weekly gross/guaranteed hours.This is far. far clearer. Every nanny that we interviewed told us their previous average rate not the lower base rate. On this board, a few bad nannies flip the opposite way and want you to believe that the average is the base. Its not. When people here say they are paying $15, its $15 average not $15 base and $22 overtime.




In the contract specify the actual base and OT rate. If you go over the hours in the contract you would pay the higher OT rate.



Just as I wouldn't presume to know what the average pay, is for your occupation, you insult every care giver, by doing the same thing. I've told potential employers, who've wanted to pay me $8 per child, for a share, that there was nothing wrong with their pay, BUT I simply wasn't a good fit for them In any job, after you've accrued 10-15 years of experience in a particular field, I find it to be arrogant, and ignorant, when parents like you assume that your perceived "good salary" will be agreeable to all. You need to have a whole stadium of seats, with your tight-fisted attitude. You mentioned 50 hour weeks, which is in essence a parenting job. Would you accept $800 a week to be a parent to more than one child, for most of your time? The ridiculousness on this board, is unparalleled.


While you make some good points, PP, I think you are overemphasizing the impact of experience in the nanny field. Sadly, perhaps, having years of experience doesn't necessarily make you a better nanny. There are no particular innovations in the nanny field, nor are there specific and measurable skills that define a good nanny or a great nanny. Really, it is a pretty specific match that results in a higher than average wage. Further, parents often see the job in economic terms that make sense to them. Their job may be a $17/hr job. You may want $20/hr because of your experience and your last salary. You may be worth every penny, but if a parent isn't able to be convinced that you are worth $20/hr for them and their job, they are going to pass on you. That isn't an insult, nor isn't it arrogant or ignorant. It is just the fact that there is no way to judge a quality nanny you haven't hired yet, there are many good candidates available at market rates, and childcare is really pretty simple.

Also, if you really want to engage in productive conversation, you may want to avoid the hyperbole. You are not a parent to your charge at 50 hours a week. You are a treasured caregiver, but very far from being a parent.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2014 19:59     Subject: what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
OP here. This has been helpful.

Where do you suggest I get a copy of a contract or two to model ours for?

Thanks in advance!
Anonymous
Post 12/31/2013 17:41     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP the gross per week/guaranteed hours defines the rate more than what you hear on this board. $700-$800 is a very good salary for 2 kids for 40-50 hours. A share is usually $1-$2 more. Avoid nannies who think a share is quick windfall way to go from making $10 an hour to $20 an hour. The nannies on this board who think that people in the DC area are paying $900-$1000 starting weekly salaries are just trying to scam you.

I suggest you negotiate and budget in terms of weekly gross/guaranteed hours.This is far. far clearer. Every nanny that we interviewed told us their previous average rate not the lower base rate. On this board, a few bad nannies flip the opposite way and want you to believe that the average is the base. Its not. When people here say they are paying $15, its $15 average not $15 base and $22 overtime.




In the contract specify the actual base and OT rate. If you go over the hours in the contract you would pay the higher OT rate.



Just as I wouldn't presume to know what the average pay, is for your occupation, you insult every care giver, by doing the same thing. I've told potential employers, who've wanted to pay me $8 per child, for a share, that there was nothing wrong with their pay, BUT I simply wasn't a good fit for them In any job, after you've accrued 10-15 years of experience in a particular field, I find it to be arrogant, and ignorant, when parents like you assume that your perceived "good salary" will be agreeable to all. You need to have a whole stadium of seats, with your tight-fisted attitude. You mentioned 50 hour weeks, which is in essence a parenting job. Would you accept $800 a week to be a parent to more than one child, for most of your time? The ridiculousness on this board, is unparalleled.


Very well said, 16:55.
Enough is enough with her silly arrogance.
Anonymous
Post 12/31/2013 17:31     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
I've found excellent candidates at the $17-18 price point (pre taxes). Then again, my need are fairly typical (i.e. I don't need the nanny to speak an obscure language, I expect no housekeeping duties, hours are reasonable, and I don't care if the nanny has a higher degree). Only thing that matters for me is experience and excellent references... As for nanny share about $10 per family seems pretty typical here in NW DC (from the moms and nannies I know) - but I am sure that there are some who make more, and other who make less...
Anonymous
Post 12/31/2013 16:55     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Anonymous wrote:OP the gross per week/guaranteed hours defines the rate more than what you hear on this board. $700-$800 is a very good salary for 2 kids for 40-50 hours. A share is usually $1-$2 more. Avoid nannies who think a share is quick windfall way to go from making $10 an hour to $20 an hour. The nannies on this board who think that people in the DC area are paying $900-$1000 starting weekly salaries are just trying to scam you.

I suggest you negotiate and budget in terms of weekly gross/guaranteed hours.This is far. far clearer. Every nanny that we interviewed told us their previous average rate not the lower base rate. On this board, a few bad nannies flip the opposite way and want you to believe that the average is the base. Its not. When people here say they are paying $15, its $15 average not $15 base and $22 overtime.




In the contract specify the actual base and OT rate. If you go over the hours in the contract you would pay the higher OT rate.



Just as I wouldn't presume to know what the average pay, is for your occupation, you insult every care giver, by doing the same thing. I've told potential employers, who've wanted to pay me $8 per child, for a share, that there was nothing wrong with their pay, BUT I simply wasn't a good fit for them In any job, after you've accrued 10-15 years of experience in a particular field, I find it to be arrogant, and ignorant, when parents like you assume that your perceived "good salary" will be agreeable to all. You need to have a whole stadium of seats, with your tight-fisted attitude. You mentioned 50 hour weeks, which is in essence a parenting job. Would you accept $800 a week to be a parent to more than one child, for most of your time? The ridiculousness on this board, is unparalleled.
Anonymous
Post 12/31/2013 16:24     Subject: Re:what is the going rate for nanny shares and nannies?
Anonymous wrote:
$15/hour is more the average for one child for one family. Share rates range from $16/hour (young inexperienced low skill nanny) to $22/hour (highly experienced, educated, skilled nanny, with impeccable references, that put you at ease immediately)


+1. There are some very nasty and rude nannies on here who always try to inflate rates. Ignore them.

+2. Well paid nannies are nasty and rude.


That is not what I said. Work on your reading comprehension if you want to sit at the grown up table.