Anonymous
07/31/2013 08:47
Subject: You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Anonymous wrote:Actually 23:34 bases her comment on federal law. Nannies are simply not recognized as professionals. That is why they must be paid overtime. If they were professionals, they would be salaried. http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17a_overview.htm
That's not to say there are not nannies out there who conduct themselves professionally (there are), but the problem with all these is or is not debates is the nannies define "professional" as someone who is a career nanny, with or without ECE, and who acts professionally, where as MBs and others define professional more consistent with federal law - requiring specialized training, knowledge, licensure, and exercise fully independent judgment, exempt employee. Nannies just don't meet the latter criteria under federal law.
Not arguing with the law.
However, what do you say about the nanny who you interview, and SHE tells YOU how she does her work? That happens to be precisely why one MB says she hired me out of dozens of candidates. She was a very busy traveling CEO, and had zero time to direct the nanny. In fact, she wanted a nanny who would direct her in new baby care and other childhood development issues.
You may ask, but "does she have the right to direct the nanny"? Well, my answer is a simple "no". I would rather happily resign before I did anything to a child that I did not feel was in the best interest of that child, based on my many years of education, training and experience. I am obviously speaking only for myself. I obviously work only with parents who want that kind of professional nanny. These parents are not any of the ones on this forum.
Naturally, those parents have zero time to engage on the Internet about such issues. They're 100% focused on their successful businesses, which happens to pay my salary.
Anonymous
07/31/2013 08:16
Subject: You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Actually 23:34 bases her comment on federal law. Nannies are simply not recognized as professionals. That is why they must be paid overtime. If they were professionals, they would be salaried. http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17a_overview.htm
That's not to say there are not nannies out there who conduct themselves professionally (there are), but the problem with all these is or is not debates is the nannies define "professional" as someone who is a career nanny, with or without ECE, and who acts professionally, where as MBs and others define professional more consistent with federal law - requiring specialized training, knowledge, licensure, and exercise fully independent judgment, exempt employee. Nannies just don't meet the latter criteria under federal law.
That's not to say there are not nannies out there who conduct themselves professionally (there are), but the problem with all these is or is not debates is the nannies define "professional" as someone who is a career nanny, with or without ECE, and who acts professionally, where as MBs and others define professional more consistent with federal law - requiring specialized training, knowledge, licensure, and exercise fully independent judgment, exempt employee. Nannies just don't meet the latter criteria under federal law.
Anonymous
07/30/2013 12:43
Subject: You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
NP. It looks like she bases her opinion on the fact that there is no license required to be a nanny.
Anonymous
07/30/2013 07:42
Subject: Re:You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
There is no certificate, diploma, or professional license required to be ananny, ergo, it is not a profession. Apparently, "professional" for nannies is anything lazy, entitled, "professional" bitches decide they want. OP, you are an idiot.
Come back after you educate yourself a bit on the subject.
Well, in spite of her rude delivery, she's right. There is no certificate, diploma, or license requires to be a nanny. This definitely calls into question how professional nannies can claim to be.
+1. If nanny work were a profession, nannies would be exempt from overtime under the federal labor laws based on their presumed skills, knowledge, and specialized training. They would also be bound by the terms of a professional license to act on their own independent judgment and uphold certain standards regardless of contrary pressure from their clients. As it stands, nannies are not exempt from overtime rules specifically because the job is presumed by law not to involve the nanny's exercise of independent judgment that has been informed by specialized education.
On what do you base your opinion?
Anonymous
07/29/2013 23:34
Subject: Re:You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
There is no certificate, diploma, or professional license required to be ananny, ergo, it is not a profession. Apparently, "professional" for nannies is anything lazy, entitled, "professional" bitches decide they want. OP, you are an idiot.
Come back after you educate yourself a bit on the subject.
Well, in spite of her rude delivery, she's right. There is no certificate, diploma, or license requires to be a nanny. This definitely calls into question how professional nannies can claim to be.
+1. If nanny work were a profession, nannies would be exempt from overtime under the federal labor laws based on their presumed skills, knowledge, and specialized training. They would also be bound by the terms of a professional license to act on their own independent judgment and uphold certain standards regardless of contrary pressure from their clients. As it stands, nannies are not exempt from overtime rules specifically because the job is presumed by law not to involve the nanny's exercise of independent judgment that has been informed by specialized education.
Anonymous
07/29/2013 11:37
Subject: You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Get a nanny w/ a degree in childhood education then...but you probably can't afford it anyways...
Anonymous
07/20/2013 19:00
Subject: Re:You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Anonymous wrote:
There is no certificate, diploma, or professional license required to be ananny, ergo, it is not a profession. Apparently, "professional" for nannies is anything lazy, entitled, "professional" bitches decide they want. OP, you are an idiot.
Come back after you educate yourself a bit on the subject.
Well, in spite of her rude delivery, she's right. There is no certificate, diploma, or license requires to be a nanny. This definitely calls into question how professional nannies can claim to be.
Anonymous
07/20/2013 17:35
Subject: You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Anonymous wrote:There is no certificate, diploma, or professional license required to be ananny, ergo, it is not a profession. Apparently, "professional" for nannies is anything lazy, entitled, "professional" bitches decide they want. OP, you are an idiot.
Come back after you educate yourself a bit on the subject.
Anonymous
07/20/2013 17:27
Subject: You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
There is no certificate, diploma, or professional license required to be ananny, ergo, it is not a profession. Apparently, "professional" for nannies is anything lazy, entitled, "professional" bitches decide they want. OP, you are an idiot.
Anonymous
07/20/2013 16:41
Subject: Re:You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
It's a fact that every profession has its bad apples. Nannies are no different, OP.
Due diligence is the parents' responsibility.
I don't know that many parents really care whether they have an overpaid baby sitter or a professional nanny. Sure, its their responsibility to screen out the bad apples but the bad apples just bring everyone else down too. They play into the stereotype of nannies being more concerned with having a fun day for themselves. Why should anyone pay more than the lowest price that the market supports if nannies don't present themselves as anything other than immature babysitters.
Anonymous
07/20/2013 16:40
Subject: Re:You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Some nannies are professional, some are not. Odd how also some school teachers are considered professional, some are not.
Not odd at all. Weird that you would choose school teachers to compare yourself to, though. Apples and oranges.
Anonymous
07/20/2013 16:34
Subject: You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Anonymous wrote:Some nannies are professional, some are not. Odd how also some school teachers are considered professional, some are not.
It's a fact that every profession has its bad apples. Nannies are no different, OP.
Due diligence is the parents' responsibility.
Anonymous
07/20/2013 16:18
Subject: Re:You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
Anonymous wrote:I completely agree! I wish everyone would respond this maturely. If a questions seems obviously wrong to some people there is no need to saying, "Wow you're a terrible nanny" or anything like that. It's fine to respond "Well I wouldn't lay out while watching kids swim/have people over/do laundry at my employer's house because of a), b), or c). There's no need to be rude or make the OPs of those threads feel like terrible nannies for simply asking a question.
The problem is that you making it a legitimate questions. The threads then get worse as the very unprofessional nannies start providing horrible rationalizations on why this should be perfectly fine. Its better to point out to young nannies that this is the wrong direction to be thinking and remind them that they are doing a job which should be respected.
Okay yeah I agree with this.
Anonymous
07/20/2013 16:15
Subject: Re:You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
The problem is that you making it a legitimate questions
Correction The problem is that you are making it a legitimate question.
Anonymous
07/20/2013 16:14
Subject: Re:You are not a professional nanny if you need to ask:
I completely agree! I wish everyone would respond this maturely. If a questions seems obviously wrong to some people there is no need to saying, "Wow you're a terrible nanny" or anything like that. It's fine to respond "Well I wouldn't lay out while watching kids swim/have people over/do laundry at my employer's house because of a), b), or c). There's no need to be rude or make the OPs of those threads feel like terrible nannies for simply asking a question.
The problem is that you making it a legitimate questions. The threads then get worse as the very unprofessional nannies start providing horrible rationalizations on why this should be perfectly fine. Its better to point out to young nannies that this is the wrong direction to be thinking and remind them that they are doing a job which should be respected.