Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 14:02     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Anonymous wrote:It's so cute that you know who you are.



???

More irony.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 13:46     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
It's so cute that you know who you are.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 13:42     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, 11:52, you are totally correct, as always.
I rest my case.


What case? Your latest post makes no sense, but that is why I suppose you resort to offensive name calling when you don't get your way.

We can all guess who posted that "commando orders" nonsense on the other thread, you know. But good for you for not calling that poster a Nazi. It's a step in the right direction!

Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 12:55     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Yes, 11:52, you are totally correct, as always.
I rest my case.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 12:52     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Anonymous wrote:Attempted mind control is not patently offensive? You need to admit that you are entitled to your personal opinions. That's it. The rest of us have our own opinions. While we have an opportunity to healthy debate, you have no right to squelch voices who differ from yours.


The only person on this forum who is trying to squelch opinions is the person screaming "FFN" incessantly. I suppose I need to point out the irony of that, since you have thus far proven obtuse.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 12:14     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Attempted mind control is not patently offensive? You need to admit that you are entitled to your personal opinions. That's it. The rest of us have our own opinions. While we have an opportunity to healthy debate, you have no right to squelch voices who differ from yours.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 11:58     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Anonymous wrote:Cat fighters. Call a truce.


Wait. This is not a cat fight. There is no moral equivalency here. Calling someone a Nazi is patently offensive.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 11:22     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Cat fighters. Call a truce.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 11:09     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Anonymous wrote:Report anyone who dictates how the rest of us should think. This forum is for discussion, no?



Ha! Someone else is calling you out now. I will join this person in reporting your offensive posts.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 10:08     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Report anyone who dictates how the rest of us should think. This forum is for discussion, no?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2013 10:01     Subject: Re:Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
I think the moms on here have made clear repeatedly that they do not give a damn if nanny can live on what they pay her. They don't care that she spends all day catering to their children and their families while her children are in cheap sketchy unlicensed daycares. It's not their responsibility to worry about whether the rate is liveable or fair. They want the best nanny they can get, pay the least she will allow, and work her for every last dime until she burns out and they replace her.


If you are describing a situation where a nanny is making below minimum wage and working 7 days a week then I would agree with you. The nannies on this board are complaining about being paid twice minimum wage and any expectation that they don't get to nap or watch Netflix for 3-4 hours out of every 8-10 hour day. You can't argue that making twice minimum wage is not getting a living wage. You also can't argue that not getting to nap for 30-40% of your paid working time is working you to the bone. Its ridiculous. Your MB is your employer not your personal benefactor and you are not her adopted adult child. You are not entitled to whatever pay she could afford, you are only entitled to what the market will offer you. If you don't like, then you need to find another profession. On the desire to do nothing for over 1/3 of your working time because you are childcare only, good luck on that one. I can't think of any other profession that is so lacking in supervision that this occurs.


This. Exactly.

And for the poster who keeps using the word Nazi here...fair warning, from now on, I'm going to report every single post you make and use that term. It is extremely offensive and completely out of line with any of the debate here. It is truly a hateful thing to say, and if this is how hateful you are, you need to be called out, every. single. time.

I encourage any other posters, no matter what side you are on in this debate (nanny salaries) to also report and shut down such a hateful word from these forums.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2013 23:11     Subject: Re:Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
So if your argument is coming from a perspective that a nanny is a young, single, childless woman just beginning her professional life and I'm thinking of a 30-something+ woman who wants to be able to contribute to her family (or support her children herself) then that is where our dissonance lies. In my opinion, a job that doesn't provide enough income OR room for advancement to increase that income (as we see in all the posts stating nannies don't deserve annual raises) isn't realistic. If it doesn't allow the women who work the job to even consider having children, or to adequately support them, that's a problem - in any job. It's particularly frustrating for nannies because not only are we working with kids all the time, but also because the nannies that women want to hire are often nannies who've had their own children...and yet in this job, in this country, very few nannies are paid enough to do so.


I'm not the person with whom you are arguing but I agree that you don't understand the labor market. A nanny's salary is based on the market ie the supply and demand for the skills that she offers. The market doesn't change from 35K a year to 50K or more a year because the nanny's expenses change. A nanny's value on the labor market does not change when she incurs higher expenses or decided that since she has been doing this for a long time she wants to make more. There are many jobs that pay in this range. Walmart and McDonalds type jobs are half this amount. If you need to make more money then you need to do something else.

I think one of the problems is that many nannies have very little experience in other job markets. I know in our organization that we employ several hundred people in admin, data processing, or technical positions who make about the same as a $15 an hour nanny. These salaries are standard across many industries. Many of these positions have long term employees who have been doing the same job for 30+ years. They, like the nannies, are well above living wage but do not make enough to pay for buying their own home, living closer in, car payments, or other expenses. The way out of this is through education and pursuing higher paying job opportunities.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2013 21:43     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Anonymous wrote:FFN is entitled to her opinions, by all means.



Anonymous
Post 02/03/2013 21:28     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
FFN is entitled to her opinions, by all means.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2013 19:10     Subject: Any objective sources for nanny salaries?
Anonymous wrote:Sorry FFN. I know all too well what the term means, as it applies to people like you. And you know it.



If you know what the term means, then by all means, use it appropriately. A FFN is someone who tries to shut down debate, and usually refers to a forum moderator attempting to do so. I am neither trying to shut down debate nor do I have any ability to moderate this forum. Therefore, you are not using the term properly. Moreover, he who invokes Nazi comparisons on the internet automatically loses any debate, because that technique is facile and thus undeserving of rhetorical reward. QED, you lost. Buh-bye.