Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 18:35     Subject: Re:Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

Anonymous wrote:What is going on with the breakfast dishes that people keep complaining about? What are adults eating for breakfast that takes up multiple dishes and cleaning?


I find that after I've worked for a family for a while, if they see I'll take care of the breakfast dishes they get much more liberal with their use of dishes. Before you know it they're cooking a full breakfast and leaving you the entire mess to clean up. That or the breakfast dishes become breakfast and dinner dishes from the night before.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 18:33     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

Anonymous wrote:Its a really slippery slope OP. This is the one part of my job I have grown to resent. Once I did it the dishes just kept growing. They used to apologize for leaving a mess and now they just walk out the door. Once you start its really hard to stop and it's just one more thing on your to do list. It's passive aggressive but I would send a text saying oh hey did you want me to get that while the kids sleep? Or not do it at all. That way they hopefully can have a min to think about how inappropriate it is to have you doing the dishes.



Do not do them. They left dishes from two meals and this is not an accident. I would say nothing.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 18:10     Subject: Re:Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

What is going on with the breakfast dishes that people keep complaining about? What are adults eating for breakfast that takes up multiple dishes and cleaning?
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 18:10     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

For me it depends on how I am treated overall. I had one MB that would always leave messes which I'd clean up and then she'd complain if I left one thing in the sink. One thing. Another who'd leave dishes in the sink, I'd clean them, and ONCE I forgot to sweep under the high chair and I heard about it via text later that evening. So those moms didn't get as many extras from me because I felt taken advantage of when I did extras for them and they complained about every little thing.

I currently work for a family who are hands down the absolute messiest people I've ever worked for. Sink full of dishes every day, even if I left the dishwasher empty and all they had to do was pop the plates in and be done with it. Perplexing. But, not one time has she every complained if something wasn't done at the end of the day. (Three kids three and under so there are days when things don't get done.) She's very much a person who takes things at face value. If you have time to do X, great, do it. If not, it will get done eventually. If you think X needs to be done, then have at it but don't wait around on me to do it. I'm more than happy to tackle the shit show I walk into every day because I know 1) she appreciates whatever help she gets and 2) I know she's not going to piss and moan about what didn't get done. She'll appreciate what did. She's not entitled.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 18:09     Subject: Re:Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MB here, and I may be like your MB. I have had three nannies, and the two that ended up being with us long term just went along with the flow of the household, which is basically "clean up if you have the time and the inclanation." If one of the kids are sick, or you spent all morning at the zoo, and you just want to relax while they nap in the afternoon or you are spending the afternoon making a potty training sticker chart, and you can't or sont want to do the dishes, that's fine by me. I will do them. And if I can't or don't want to do the dishes one day, then you will return the favor.
We had one nanny who wasn't with us long who did what the pp above suggested, and she would just handwash *her* dishes and leave the rest for me. It was really passive aggressive. She was like that with a lot of things and seemed to think that every mess was some kind of signal to her. Like if one of the kids left their bike in the yard, she would see it as being left for her to pick up.
My advice is to do the dishes or don't. If you don't have te to do the dishes one day, your MB isn't going to fire you. And if you sometimes leave her the kids lunch dishes to do, then maybe you won't feel so put put by the whole thing. This isn't a signal about what your job duties. It's just dishes.


This is ridiculous. For one, most people don't go through three nannies. I would never, absolutely never, leave dishes from the day for the parents to clean up. I can and will find the time to clean up after myself. This isn't a give and take, iris you taking and taking more.

OP, I had this issue, and still do to an extent. I can handle breakfast dishes that have apparently become my responsibility, but I am absolutely not cleaning your entire kitchen and your dinner mess from the night before. I always try to pitch in to help the house run smoothly but there are a couple times I've walked in to a complete disaster. One day I piled all their dirty dishes into a pile on the counter and in the sink. I couldn't even use the counter to make lunch had I not done this. MB came home and asked what the mess was. I said I didn't know as it wasn't our mess. I'm not your damn housekeeper. Hire one or clean up after yourself. When the baby was younger I hand washed everything. This behavior started when I started sharing the dishwasher.


Well, I had a nanny for five years, then we moved. Then we had the nanny who didn't work out and was only with us for a few months, and now we have our third nanny who has been with us for three years (I have more than one child).

I am sorry that you don't have a give and take relationship with your MB. That was something I was looking for in a nanny, and I'm glad we found it.

Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 17:08     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

Anonymous wrote:I've been with my nanny family just over a year, they have a 2 year old and a 10 month old. Usually baby has a short morning nap and they both nap for 1.5-2 hours in the afternoon, but yesterday was rough as both kids weren't feeling well, and neither napped well and their naps didn't overlap at all. I still rinsed all our dishes from the day in the afternoon and washed them in the dishwasher; it was full of clean dishes (and the sink was empty) when I left at 5pm. Today when I arrived at 8am MB excitedly told me that both children had slept through the night (down at 8pm, awake at 7:30am), then she and DB hurried off to work. The dishwasher has not been emptied, and the sink is full of dirty dishes from dinner last night and MB and DBs breakfast (I make breakfast for the kids when I arrive). I checked their calendar as some nights one or both parents have things going on, but there was nothing.

I've been noticing a lot of small instances of job creep lately; there have been several times recently when I show up in the morning and MB and DB have left one mug and one plate and one fork each from breakfast, but I've just gone ahead and washed them myself because I want to be helpful and just a couple extra plates is no big deal. There have been other things like the fact that MB and DB used to always arrive home 5-10 mins early so we could have a quick chat about the day and I could still leave on time, but lately they're arriving right at 5 or a few mins after and still expecting me to stay and chat for 5 or more mins, etc.

What would you do? I guess there are two questions I need to answer:
1. Should I do their dirty dishes from when I was off duty or should I leave them in the sink?
2. Should I say anything about it?

When they hired me they told me no chores were required as my main responsibility was taking care of the children. I told them (verbally) I'd be happy to wash the dishes we dirtied throughout the day and try to keep the house tidy. The contact mentions child care but does not mention dishes or any chores. But I always use afternoon nap time to do dishes, tidy up the kitchen and play areas, and occasionally run a load of kids laundry if needed. If I don't do their dishes today it will be the first day they'll come home to dirty dishes in the sink since I started working with them. I don't want them to be upset or think I'm being passive aggressive. I also don't think they fully understand (since I've never specifically said to them that I only wash dishes I dirty myself in the course of my day with the children and not the parents dishes); I'm their first nanny and I took over when grandma was no longer able to provide full time care and I'm sure she didn't differentiate between parents dishes and her own dishes and the baby's dishes.

So what should I do?


Ask immediately if they need to renegotiate portions of the contract. You've noticed that they seem to be expecting you to do dishes for more than just you and the child(ren), and that they seem to need more hours as well.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 16:55     Subject: Re:Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

Anonymous wrote:MB here, and I may be like your MB. I have had three nannies, and the two that ended up being with us long term just went along with the flow of the household, which is basically "clean up if you have the time and the inclanation." If one of the kids are sick, or you spent all morning at the zoo, and you just want to relax while they nap in the afternoon or you are spending the afternoon making a potty training sticker chart, and you can't or sont want to do the dishes, that's fine by me. I will do them. And if I can't or don't want to do the dishes one day, then you will return the favor.
We had one nanny who wasn't with us long who did what the pp above suggested, and she would just handwash *her* dishes and leave the rest for me. It was really passive aggressive. She was like that with a lot of things and seemed to think that every mess was some kind of signal to her. Like if one of the kids left their bike in the yard, she would see it as being left for her to pick up.
My advice is to do the dishes or don't. If you don't have te to do the dishes one day, your MB isn't going to fire you. And if you sometimes leave her the kids lunch dishes to do, then maybe you won't feel so put put by the whole thing. This isn't a signal about what your job duties. It's just dishes.


This is ridiculous. For one, most people don't go through three nannies. I would never, absolutely never, leave dishes from the day for the parents to clean up. I can and will find the time to clean up after myself. This isn't a give and take, iris you taking and taking more.

OP, I had this issue, and still do to an extent. I can handle breakfast dishes that have apparently become my responsibility, but I am absolutely not cleaning your entire kitchen and your dinner mess from the night before. I always try to pitch in to help the house run smoothly but there are a couple times I've walked in to a complete disaster. One day I piled all their dirty dishes into a pile on the counter and in the sink. I couldn't even use the counter to make lunch had I not done this. MB came home and asked what the mess was. I said I didn't know as it wasn't our mess. I'm not your damn housekeeper. Hire one or clean up after yourself. When the baby was younger I hand washed everything. This behavior started when I started sharing the dishwasher.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 16:05     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

I'm flexible about a lot of things, but respecting my time and not being treated like a servant are not things I compromise on. If the dishes are in my way I will clean then, but I'd set a mug or two aside. I don't say anything, but eventually they get that I'm not their maid. As for the lateness, I'd just mention it in an easy going way. Let her know you've noticed she's getting home a bit later than usual, and I will typically offer to increase my day by 10 minutes so we still have time to chat. This sends the message that her options are get home in time to get an update, or start paying for the extra time of yours she's taking up.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 15:48     Subject: Re:Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

MB here, and I may be like your MB. I have had three nannies, and the two that ended up being with us long term just went along with the flow of the household, which is basically "clean up if you have the time and the inclanation." If one of the kids are sick, or you spent all morning at the zoo, and you just want to relax while they nap in the afternoon or you are spending the afternoon making a potty training sticker chart, and you can't or sont want to do the dishes, that's fine by me. I will do them. And if I can't or don't want to do the dishes one day, then you will return the favor.
We had one nanny who wasn't with us long who did what the pp above suggested, and she would just handwash *her* dishes and leave the rest for me. It was really passive aggressive. She was like that with a lot of things and seemed to think that every mess was some kind of signal to her. Like if one of the kids left their bike in the yard, she would see it as being left for her to pick up.
My advice is to do the dishes or don't. If you don't have te to do the dishes one day, your MB isn't going to fire you. And if you sometimes leave her the kids lunch dishes to do, then maybe you won't feel so put put by the whole thing. This isn't a signal about what your job duties. It's just dishes.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 14:51     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

Its a really slippery slope OP. This is the one part of my job I have grown to resent. Once I did it the dishes just kept growing. They used to apologize for leaving a mess and now they just walk out the door. Once you start its really hard to stop and it's just one more thing on your to do list. It's passive aggressive but I would send a text saying oh hey did you want me to get that while the kids sleep? Or not do it at all. That way they hopefully can have a min to think about how inappropriate it is to have you doing the dishes.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 14:08     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

Anonymous wrote:I would do them. For what ever reason they did not. Its not unreasonable to leave a few dishes in the sink. This is their home.


They left dinner and breakfast dishes in the sink. Far more than a few.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 13:52     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

I would do them. For what ever reason they did not. Its not unreasonable to leave a few dishes in the sink. This is their home.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 13:28     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

I can only speak for myself but I left dishes in the sink once in a rush, and when our nanny did them I felt terrible. So I made sure I never did it again, which in some cases is kind of annoying, but it's not her job and I get her not wanting to do her job in an environment that she feels is chaotic. But if I left my breakfast dish in the sink and she didn't touch it I'd be relieved that I didn't have to feel guilty that she washed it.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 13:28     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

Leave the dishes they dirtied in the sink. Do not empty the dishwasher. Hand wash any dishes you use for yourself or the children.
Anonymous
Post 01/13/2016 13:02     Subject: Job creep: dishes: what would you do?

I've been with my nanny family just over a year, they have a 2 year old and a 10 month old. Usually baby has a short morning nap and they both nap for 1.5-2 hours in the afternoon, but yesterday was rough as both kids weren't feeling well, and neither napped well and their naps didn't overlap at all. I still rinsed all our dishes from the day in the afternoon and washed them in the dishwasher; it was full of clean dishes (and the sink was empty) when I left at 5pm. Today when I arrived at 8am MB excitedly told me that both children had slept through the night (down at 8pm, awake at 7:30am), then she and DB hurried off to work. The dishwasher has not been emptied, and the sink is full of dirty dishes from dinner last night and MB and DBs breakfast (I make breakfast for the kids when I arrive). I checked their calendar as some nights one or both parents have things going on, but there was nothing.

I've been noticing a lot of small instances of job creep lately; there have been several times recently when I show up in the morning and MB and DB have left one mug and one plate and one fork each from breakfast, but I've just gone ahead and washed them myself because I want to be helpful and just a couple extra plates is no big deal. There have been other things like the fact that MB and DB used to always arrive home 5-10 mins early so we could have a quick chat about the day and I could still leave on time, but lately they're arriving right at 5 or a few mins after and still expecting me to stay and chat for 5 or more mins, etc.

What would you do? I guess there are two questions I need to answer:
1. Should I do their dirty dishes from when I was off duty or should I leave them in the sink?
2. Should I say anything about it?

When they hired me they told me no chores were required as my main responsibility was taking care of the children. I told them (verbally) I'd be happy to wash the dishes we dirtied throughout the day and try to keep the house tidy. The contact mentions child care but does not mention dishes or any chores. But I always use afternoon nap time to do dishes, tidy up the kitchen and play areas, and occasionally run a load of kids laundry if needed. If I don't do their dishes today it will be the first day they'll come home to dirty dishes in the sink since I started working with them. I don't want them to be upset or think I'm being passive aggressive. I also don't think they fully understand (since I've never specifically said to them that I only wash dishes I dirty myself in the course of my day with the children and not the parents dishes); I'm their first nanny and I took over when grandma was no longer able to provide full time care and I'm sure she didn't differentiate between parents dishes and her own dishes and the baby's dishes.

So what should I do?