Anonymous
Post 11/01/2015 17:56     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

I would turn it all back on her:

"Make sure Larla takes her uniform off before playing!"
You: "Did I forget to do that last time? I'm so sorry if I did."

"Make sure they wash their hands!"
You: "Are you concerned that I'm not focusing enough on hygiene?"

"Be sure to pack the water bottles!"
You: "I don't think we've ever forgotten them. Is this something you are concerned about?"

It's a little passive aggressive, but not as bitchy as "I am not a moron!"
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2015 14:15     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

If she's had a nanny who didn't speak English well and an older nanny who may have been forgetful, maybe she just got into the habit of saying things an excessive number of times? I would gently point out that I speak English as my first language, so I understand her the first time she says something, and I'm very organized, so I jot down notes for the schedule as soon as I know there's a change. You could also point to past positions in which you handled more kids, more responsibility or a more chaotic schedule to show that you don't need to be micromanaged.





thanks PP! believe it or not Ive said those things and as much as i cringe when i do it, Ive even had to interrupt her mid sentence numerous times after i noticed this issue. She will just say "yes i know but...." and keep going on and on and on. I read a thread on here months ago about a MB wondering why her nanny kept sighing heavily when they had conversations and someone suggested maybe the mb was being too repetitive. Ive even considered trying this thinking maybe she will get a hint that this is bothering me and "check in" for a convo or just shut the hell up. I have been way too nice about this. It has to stop. But i don't want to be passive aggressive.

I try to tell myself I only see her 2 times per day, but then the texts and calls and it makes me dread looking at the communication binder because i resent seeing common sense things like "@ 2:45 please have Larla remove uniform before going outside to play" EVERYDAY. It makes me not give much credence to it because its so full of duh things. I almost overlook anything worth actually reading.

I came so close to the edge to getting quite snarky with her recently when the kids were being a handful while I was trying to get them out of the door for a bday party. Then on the way my GPS got interrupted from her texting me "please make sure the kids sanitize their hands before eating pizza and take their water cups with you all. remember the gift by the table and encourage larla to interact with the other kids"
Now why wouldnt I make sure their hands are clean? We are at an arcade. I have them wash their hands MORE than she does and she knows Im a germaphobe.

Maybe I should just flat out ask "Do you think Im an Idiot?" and go from there, be frank about it. But I'm worried it'll come across smart alecky
But I do agree with adding in the part about not needing to be micromanaged. Ill just be honest and tell her it stresses me out and if anything, constant reminders and check ins makes me FORGET things.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2015 09:34     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My real answer is that I would quit. I could not deal with that.

But if you aren't ready to jumo ship yet, I would start tracking every conversation with her and proactively updating her in a form she can see.

E.g., she says, "Oh, please remember to wash Larla's soccer uniform. Also, can you please cook that cauliflower and make sure the kids make a card for teacher appreciation week?"

You: "Got it. I will wash Larla's uniform tomorrow morning in time for her practice tomorrow night. I cooked the cauliflower 3 days ago, but I will cook some asparagus tonight. The kids can do their teacher appreciation card on Thursday before ballet."

Then as soon as she leaves the room you update a file in your smartphone notes to reflect the new schedule:

Tuesday:
Breakfast: XYZ
Packed lunches:
NK1 needs to bring her trombone to school
NK2 needs permission slip signed (in green folder on the desk)
Nanny wash Larla's soccer uniform
Afterschool snack:
NK2 piano practice
Practice sight words
NK1 soccer practice
Dinner:

Etc. etc. etc.

Basically write down EVERYTHING you do/plan to do every single day and proactively send an email/text daily (or multiple times per day) with an uodated schedule for the coming week.

Frankly, it sounds to me like she has ADD and probably some anxiety and those are not things that you can fix.


Yes believe me I've looked into some other jobs and looked at things available at the agency she hired me through. Of course like always I love these kids and she is already super stressed with her husband living in another state, I'm afraid it'll send her over the deep end if I give notice. She can be very diplomatic. I had to send her an email about her mother helicoptering (lol made up word) me when visits and she was very nice and firm in having my back and saying she knows how her mom is. She even told me to always come to her if I ever feel like I'm wanting to quit so we can work things out. But I'm not sure how receptive she'll be when it's her I need to talk to her about.

But yes I'm definitely going to start keeping track of these repetitive convos and excessive calls/texts. When they first moved here they weren't in a home yet and when she moved she actively looked for something to rent that would better my commute and hers so I appreciate that.

I know that their last nanny in their previous state was not American and English wasn't her first language, the nanny before her was and older lady. So I wonder if this is why she rides me so hard. But ADD or OCD definitely make sense. There's something mental going on. And on top of all of this she is always eerily calm even when frantic. It's hard to explain.


If she's had a nanny who didn't speak English well and an older nanny who may have been forgetful, maybe she just got into the habit of saying things an excessive number of times? I would gently point out that I speak English as my first language, so I understand her the first time she says something, and I'm very organized, so I jot down notes for the schedule as soon as I know there's a change. You could also point to past positions in which you handled more kids, more responsibility or a more chaotic schedule to show that you don't need to be micromanaged.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2015 09:00     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

The eerily calm when frantic definitely sounds to me like anxiety--she may be detatching as a coping mechanism. Given what you've said here, it sounds like it may be worth at least trying to address this.

I would ask her to meet with you at a time without kids (or before they wake/after bed), and have a talk. Explain that you've noticed that lately she has been checking up on/reminding you about every little detail. Obviously this is a symptom of her stress, but not only is it stressful for you to feel that she doesn't trust you, it is taking up a lot of your time--time that would be better spent focusing on the kids. I would come up with concrete ideas for how she can still feel that she is communicating what she needs to while also decreasing the amount of your work day spent on fielding calls, texts, emails and verbal reminders.

My best recommendation is that the two of you set up a calendaring app like the one she mentioned, but you should sit with her and both of you login together during your meeting. Then, you start entering everything she tells you into the calendar. She if she says, "Please do this worksheet with DC." You can put in the calendar the time when you plan to do it, and sync it to her phone with a reminder email. If this is an OCD/anxiety-driven need to reassure herself, maybe checking the calendar instead of checking with you every single time will be enough for her. If you do this and she either balks or doesn't check the calendar but is still driving you batty, then I would go the opposite route and just give the minimal response/communication. She tells you for the 509th time to put school forms in the folder? You just say, "Okay." Every thing is "Okay. Will do. Got it." And donmt volunteer info such as "we had chicken last night." She won't remember anyway, so save your breath. If you still can't deal, then maybe losing another nanny will be the thing that pushes her to seek the treatment she obviously needs.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2015 07:42     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

Anonymous wrote:My real answer is that I would quit. I could not deal with that.

But if you aren't ready to jumo ship yet, I would start tracking every conversation with her and proactively updating her in a form she can see.

E.g., she says, "Oh, please remember to wash Larla's soccer uniform. Also, can you please cook that cauliflower and make sure the kids make a card for teacher appreciation week?"

You: "Got it. I will wash Larla's uniform tomorrow morning in time for her practice tomorrow night. I cooked the cauliflower 3 days ago, but I will cook some asparagus tonight. The kids can do their teacher appreciation card on Thursday before ballet."

Then as soon as she leaves the room you update a file in your smartphone notes to reflect the new schedule:

Tuesday:
Breakfast: XYZ
Packed lunches:
NK1 needs to bring her trombone to school
NK2 needs permission slip signed (in green folder on the desk)
Nanny wash Larla's soccer uniform
Afterschool snack:
NK2 piano practice
Practice sight words
NK1 soccer practice
Dinner:

Etc. etc. etc.

Basically write down EVERYTHING you do/plan to do every single day and proactively send an email/text daily (or multiple times per day) with an uodated schedule for the coming week.

Frankly, it sounds to me like she has ADD and probably some anxiety and those are not things that you can fix.


Yes believe me I've looked into some other jobs and looked at things available at the agency she hired me through. Of course like always I love these kids and she is already super stressed with her husband living in another state, I'm afraid it'll send her over the deep end if I give notice. She can be very diplomatic. I had to send her an email about her mother helicoptering (lol made up word) me when visits and she was very nice and firm in having my back and saying she knows how her mom is. She even told me to always come to her if I ever feel like I'm wanting to quit so we can work things out. But I'm not sure how receptive she'll be when it's her I need to talk to her about.

But yes I'm definitely going to start keeping track of these repetitive convos and excessive calls/texts. When they first moved here they weren't in a home yet and when she moved she actively looked for something to rent that would better my commute and hers so I appreciate that.

I know that their last nanny in their previous state was not American and English wasn't her first language, the nanny before her was and older lady. So I wonder if this is why she rides me so hard. But ADD or OCD definitely make sense. There's something mental going on. And on top of all of this she is always eerily calm even when frantic. It's hard to explain.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2015 00:39     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

My real answer is that I would quit. I could not deal with that.

But if you aren't ready to jumo ship yet, I would start tracking every conversation with her and proactively updating her in a form she can see.

E.g., she says, "Oh, please remember to wash Larla's soccer uniform. Also, can you please cook that cauliflower and make sure the kids make a card for teacher appreciation week?"

You: "Got it. I will wash Larla's uniform tomorrow morning in time for her practice tomorrow night. I cooked the cauliflower 3 days ago, but I will cook some asparagus tonight. The kids can do their teacher appreciation card on Thursday before ballet."

Then as soon as she leaves the room you update a file in your smartphone notes to reflect the new schedule:

Tuesday:
Breakfast: XYZ
Packed lunches:
NK1 needs to bring her trombone to school
NK2 needs permission slip signed (in green folder on the desk)
Nanny wash Larla's soccer uniform
Afterschool snack:
NK2 piano practice
Practice sight words
NK1 soccer practice
Dinner:

Etc. etc. etc.

Basically write down EVERYTHING you do/plan to do every single day and proactively send an email/text daily (or multiple times per day) with an uodated schedule for the coming week.

Frankly, it sounds to me like she has ADD and probably some anxiety and those are not things that you can fix.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2015 23:19     Subject: Re:when is enough crazy enough?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Do you cook from scratch? When my boss wanted to nix all starches and severely limit fruits and veggies, I made a spreadsheet with the vitamins and minerals per quantity of each food. He let me go back to providing 4 fruits per day, and he allowed me to add quinoa and amaranth, as long as I was willing to grind and cook them myself. I would have preferred to give the kids more than 2 Tbs of dairy per day. I got the kids to eat kale and other dark green veggies, but the quantity that they would have had to eat to equal the daily required calcium simply wasn't going to happen.



About 70 percent of what I feed them is from scratch, meal wise. Snacks only when it's something like banana bites dipped in yogurt then frozen. Overall they eat very healthy. They also seem to be in a better mood and less fatigued when I'm giving them a grain and couple of items with carbs during the day. But they eat a lot of fruit. Since I've been with them they also eat a lot of spinach because I don't do dairy. But she was asking me to cut down their dairy in take to about 3 oz and only at dinner! Smh I made sure I made lots of smoothies and extra spinach when she was going through that phase. The. She got worried I was giving them too much sugar from all of the fruit.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2015 21:46     Subject: Re:when is enough crazy enough?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Overall, I have no idea what to suggest.

Perhaps document when you tell her things, and then when she starts telling you the same thing again later, point out that you already heard it three times in the last 2 days? Of course it needs to be done politely, but she may not notice that it's an issue.

As to things coming home from school, BTDT. I worked for a family in which MB went to work out-of-state for a month. She's the one who handled all the bills and things, and she wanted to see all quizzes, tests, projects and other important(ish) school things when she got home, so we set up a shoe box, one side for bills and the like, the other for kids' school stuff, sorted by kid. Every single time she got home, she would come running to me because she couldn't find one or the other, because she had only looked at one side of the box. So, I don't know what to recommend for that, but I certainly empathize.

With the kids' eating, I would say something. I was fine when a former DB said no refined starches or sugars, but I put my foot down when he said that the kids would only eat meat and veggies, with the occasional fruit or dairy. Healthy eating varies from family to family, but if the kids can't get the nutrients they need, it's up to the nanny to ask if the parent discussed the diet change with the pediatrician.


Thank you pp! I never thought it documenting our conversations. I will definitely try this. I already take my phone out immediately once she vegans talking of play dates or her going out of town etc just so that she can see I'm noting it and putting it on my calendar right in her face. However it doesn't stop her from telling me again that evening and of course I get out the door late every night after our talks.

She mentioned wanting me to download the cozi app for us to sync our calendars etc. I downloaded it but needed her password etc to get started. I reached out to her for the info and now she hasn't mentioned it since.

I think I will actually log our convos in the communication binder so that SHE can see herself how much she repeats and forgets things

As far as their diets, yes this bothers me more than anything. Good carbs are brain food and I try to tell her they some carbs especially with them both doing soccer.


Do you cook from scratch? When my boss wanted to nix all starches and severely limit fruits and veggies, I made a spreadsheet with the vitamins and minerals per quantity of each food. He let me go back to providing 4 fruits per day, and he allowed me to add quinoa and amaranth, as long as I was willing to grind and cook them myself. I would have preferred to give the kids more than 2 Tbs of dairy per day. I got the kids to eat kale and other dark green veggies, but the quantity that they would have had to eat to equal the daily required calcium simply wasn't going to happen.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2015 19:45     Subject: Re:when is enough crazy enough?

Anonymous wrote:Overall, I have no idea what to suggest.

Perhaps document when you tell her things, and then when she starts telling you the same thing again later, point out that you already heard it three times in the last 2 days? Of course it needs to be done politely, but she may not notice that it's an issue.

As to things coming home from school, BTDT. I worked for a family in which MB went to work out-of-state for a month. She's the one who handled all the bills and things, and she wanted to see all quizzes, tests, projects and other important(ish) school things when she got home, so we set up a shoe box, one side for bills and the like, the other for kids' school stuff, sorted by kid. Every single time she got home, she would come running to me because she couldn't find one or the other, because she had only looked at one side of the box. So, I don't know what to recommend for that, but I certainly empathize.

With the kids' eating, I would say something. I was fine when a former DB said no refined starches or sugars, but I put my foot down when he said that the kids would only eat meat and veggies, with the occasional fruit or dairy. Healthy eating varies from family to family, but if the kids can't get the nutrients they need, it's up to the nanny to ask if the parent discussed the diet change with the pediatrician.


Thank you pp! I never thought it documenting our conversations. I will definitely try this. I already take my phone out immediately once she vegans talking of play dates or her going out of town etc just so that she can see I'm noting it and putting it on my calendar right in her face. However it doesn't stop her from telling me again that evening and of course I get out the door late every night after our talks.

She mentioned wanting me to download the cozi app for us to sync our calendars etc. I downloaded it but needed her password etc to get started. I reached out to her for the info and now she hasn't mentioned it since.

I think I will actually log our convos in the communication binder so that SHE can see herself how much she repeats and forgets things

As far as their diets, yes this bothers me more than anything. Good carbs are brain food and I try to tell her they some carbs especially with them both doing soccer.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2015 19:16     Subject: Re:when is enough crazy enough?

Overall, I have no idea what to suggest.

Perhaps document when you tell her things, and then when she starts telling you the same thing again later, point out that you already heard it three times in the last 2 days? Of course it needs to be done politely, but she may not notice that it's an issue.

As to things coming home from school, BTDT. I worked for a family in which MB went to work out-of-state for a month. She's the one who handled all the bills and things, and she wanted to see all quizzes, tests, projects and other important(ish) school things when she got home, so we set up a shoe box, one side for bills and the like, the other for kids' school stuff, sorted by kid. Every single time she got home, she would come running to me because she couldn't find one or the other, because she had only looked at one side of the box. So, I don't know what to recommend for that, but I certainly empathize.

With the kids' eating, I would say something. I was fine when a former DB said no refined starches or sugars, but I put my foot down when he said that the kids would only eat meat and veggies, with the occasional fruit or dairy. Healthy eating varies from family to family, but if the kids can't get the nutrients they need, it's up to the nanny to ask if the parent discussed the diet change with the pediatrician.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2015 19:07     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

Anonymous wrote:She really needs a good mental health therapist, at least for the sake of her children. Poor things.


Thank you as long as it's not me. Sometimes you never know. Typing that out made me realize just how bad it is. Only because there's more. Thank you for your input.

Today she grabbed the girls belly and said we've got to do something about this, maybe get you more active. She already has this child in karate, soccer, art lessons and gymnastics. She won't be 6 till December smh
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2015 17:55     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

She really needs a good mental health therapist, at least for the sake of her children. Poor things.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2015 17:35     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

OP here

don't really expect anyone to read ALL of that and give advice just mostly venting. but if anyone has had similar experiences its appreciated if you share lol
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2015 17:34     Subject: when is enough crazy enough?

My mb is a kind woman but tends to be neurotic, highly repetitive, and extremely forgetful. I actually understand at times because hey these are her kids, but its over the silliest things and i worry for their self esteem. I also wonder about her mental health. She leaves me a schedule daily that i think is mostly for her peace of mind, at first i raised an eyebrow but then i notice sticky notes all over. Every morning she repeats to me everything that is written down at least 2 times before she leaves. When she comes home she repeats conversations that we had while she was at work earlier in the day.

My oldest got sick in the night and she texted me that she would be staying home with my younger charge and I. I didn't think it was a virus and wasn't bothered at all. She told me she'd work from home that morning. All morning she was suggesting things we could do. We were doing arts and crafts, she comes in with board games saying we could do that too. (wtf?) later while playing board games she comes telling the kids that they should be able to entertain themselves sometimes with out me!?

she kept reminding me about changing the laundry over, never mind the fact that I do laundry daily and know what to do. later when she left she called to remind me lol!

Mb had asked me to start a grocery list 2 days prior and i had it stuck to the communication folder. she didn't see it. Whenever i leave receipts there for reimbursement, she doesn't notice them. I put notes from teachers, home work assignments, permission slips in the same place everyday, yet she doesn't see them. Then a few days later she will say "please put things from school here everyday..." I already do.

She will ask me to prepare things that have been eaten up weeks ago, but she forgot. I came in on tuesday and noticed raw chicken breasts that were just purchased the previous day by her, I told her i baked them while the kids were at school and she says "oh was there chicken?"

yesterday i was to bring her the children for a halloween activity at her job. she had written down for me to hang their costumes while they played. she then proceeded to call and tell me. then also texted it to me. Before i could get the kids to her job she'd called me 3 more times! I couldn't get the phone because i was dressing them etc.

She texts me things like "please make sure the kids always wash their hands before they eat" "please take water cups to the park" "make sure you guys work on letters and numbers today after pickup" this is EVERYDAY. whats crazy about it is I began tutoring them last spring with my own materials and own my own merit without her ever asking now she is always telling me to do it.

Dbs bday was coming and she wanted the kids to make cards. She wanted to mail them by Friday. Everyday she told me, despite me telling her that I planned to do it with them both on wed, because we had a window in their activities and I'd have them both. We made the cards, gave them to her for mailing. 2 months and i find them in the kitchen. Db came for a visit so i put them out for him. She goes "oh good you finally got your bday cards"

They are 4 and 6(dec) still sleep in pull-ups and use sippy cups when they go to bed or go out. she wants them to wet less, yet continues to give them full cups of water nightly in case they get thirsty! wtf?


I have had my youngest writing his full name since last may. She will say things like "**** really needs to be practicing tracing his name" I will remind her he already knows how to write his name and she says "OH does he?"

she is constantly cutting things from their diet and talking about worry of them becoming obese. we are now banned from any carbs *rolls eyes* yet the kids will tell me she gave them frozen bday cake and took them out for pizza

My oldest knows all of her sight words from doing them daily during the summer. We still review them during dinner now. Her teacher sends home a list of 7 every week for a quiz review. MB will come home stressing about the quiz and telling me to make sure we study and suggest ways for me (10 yrs experience and degreed) to help her learn them. She will also leave notes asking for me to do number flash cards with her despite her seeing work sheets that we do with addition and subtraction problems!

what the heck is wrong with my mb?! Im at my breaking point some days because it can really be annoying. Then sometimes its worrying. How early can dementia set in? or is she just playing games