Deb, you really should know better. Every IC charges appropriate fees to cover the additional expenses. They tend to make out quiet well, unless they're as uninformed as you are.

Any nannies who are IC's are being taken advantage of and they and their employers are breaking the law.

An IC pays ALL of the 15.3% Social Security and medicare taxes out of his/her pocket. They have no employer to cover half of those taxes, and so they get hit with what is basically a self-employment penalty.

Let's try it this way.

A nanny who is an employee earns $100 gross. $7.65 of that goes to pay her share of SS/Med, leaving her with net earnings before other taxes of $92.35. (The employer pays the other $7.65.)

A nanny who allows herself to be labeled an IC earns $100 gross. $15.30 of that goes to pay her SS/Med taxes, leaving her with a net wage before other taxes of $84.30.

So, who exactly benefits from labeling a nanny an IC? Her employers do! THEY avoid paying $7.65 in taxes for every hundred dollars the nanny earns.

An employee who earns $50,000 a year gross loses $3825 to SS/Med a year.

An IC who earns $50,000 a year gross loses $7650 to SS/Med a year.

Be smart, and insist on being paid as an employee if you are defined as an employee!

So is there anyone who's actually taking the class? or has taken the class?

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Anonymous wrote:Some nannies are IC nannies. Some crazy person here is stupid or has an issue with that fact.

No, it's you who doesn't understand what makes an independent contractor, and that given what makes a nanny and a nanny job, it is very rare and unlikely that someone would qualify as both. While there may be a few out there, its generally not what parents who hire nannies want. They want someone who will do the job they design and the way they want it done, in their home, using their things. Why you continue to prattle on about IC nannies is beyond me. It would seem to me that you simply pay more taxes and have a harder time finding jobs because you want to be the boss. It doesn't make you a higher quality nanny. I bet you're also the "$25-$30/hour" crazy.

Thank you for finally admitting there are in fact some nannies who are independant contractors.

Anonymous wrote:Some nannies are IC nannies. Some crazy person here is stupid or has an issue with that fact.

No, it's you who doesn't understand what makes an independent contractor, and that given what makes a nanny and a nanny job, it is very rare and unlikely that someone would qualify as both. While there may be a few out there, its generally not what parents who hire nannies want. They want someone who will do the job they design and the way they want it done, in their home, using their things. Why you continue to prattle on about IC nannies is beyond me. It would seem to me that you simply pay more taxes and have a harder time finding jobs because you want to be the boss. It doesn't make you a higher quality nanny. I bet you're also the "$25-$30/hour" crazy.

Some nannies are IC nannies. Some crazy person here is stupid or has an issue with that fact.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are these some of the nannies who can file as independant contractors if they qualify?

It depends on the job they do, not on the certification. 99% of the time, what we call a nanny job on this board would not be an indendant contractor position. But there are positions where a newborn nanny might come in for a short period of time, set her own hours and rates, and totally manage care of the newborn. (Like respite care, or a sleep trainer) In those cases, they might qualify as an IC

It depends on if they control HOW they do their job. Do they depend on parental directions or do they come in knowing HOW to perform their job? Lots of other questions to, but that's the main one.

That is not what makes an IC. Coming in with knowledge of how to do the job doesn't make you an IC. Lets say you hire a painter. He sets his rates, he tells you when he is available to come, and you hire him within the hours he sets. You may tell him what room to paint, but he will paint it his way, in his own time, and with his own supplies. He is clearly not your employee, and would be an IC. A nanny on the other hand applies for a job that the employer crafts. The employer decides when and where care will take place, how it will be done, how much it pays, etc. and they can tweak these details at any time. The employer is responsible for providing all necessary materials. The nanny follows the direction of the employer, no matter how knowledgeable she is, or how hands off her employer is. She is still an employee. With a newborn care specialist, it could go either way, depending on the set up of the job.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these some of the nannies who can file as independant contractors if they qualify?

It depends on the job they do, not on the certification. 99% of the time, what we call a nanny job on this board would not be an indendant contractor position. But there are positions where a newborn nanny might come in for a short period of time, set her own hours and rates, and totally manage care of the newborn. (Like respite care, or a sleep trainer) In those cases, they might qualify as an IC

It depends on if they control HOW they do their job. Do they depend on parental directions or do they come in knowing HOW to perform their job? Lots of other questions to, but that's the main one.

Anonymous wrote:I took the training that was advertised on here a little while ago. It was a waste of money, in my opinion. They went on and on about diapers, bottles, and swaddles, and gave very little information about the certification process, gave no materials to help you prepare for the exam, and gave no guidance following the class. They charged nearly $100 for us to sit and listen to her power point presentation about extremely basic newborn care information that you can easily google, or you know, actually meet a newborn. There weren't even refreshments. You get very little for the money and the time.

Okay, so this is a different training than the one I was talking about. Disregard!

Anonymous wrote:Are these some of the nannies who can file as independant contractors if they qualify?

It depends on the job they do, not on the certification. 99% of the time, what we call a nanny job on this board would not be an indendant contractor position. But there are positions where a newborn nanny might come in for a short period of time, set her own hours and rates, and totally manage care of the newborn. (Like respite care, or a sleep trainer) In those cases, they might qualify as an IC

Are these some of the nannies who can file as independant contractors if they qualify?

Here is the info for the NCTA class coming April 26th. http://newborncaretraining.com/curriculum/

I took the training that was advertised on here a little while ago. It was a waste of money, in my opinion. They went on and on about diapers, bottles, and swaddles, and gave very little information about the certification process, gave no materials to help you prepare for the exam, and gave no guidance following the class. They charged nearly $100 for us to sit and listen to her power point presentation about extremely basic newborn care information that you can easily google, or you know, actually meet a newborn. There weren't even refreshments. You get very little for the money and the time.

No but I'd love to. Do you have a link? Thanks much.

Is anyone taking the training in DC at the end of the month? Has anyone taken it? Looking for reviews.