Anonymous
03/06/2013 16:23
Subject: Re:Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
What is all the anger/rage really about?
It seems like some nannies are just jealous of their employer's lifestyle. The bizarre expectation that some nannies have that they should get a% of the employer's net worth rather than be paid market rates isn't something you see in other fields. You may see employees in other fields want more money but the nanny perspective here is just very strange.
Nanny positions are not high paying jobs. If you want to make more money you need to find a different field of work. This will require more education, skills, and the ability to compete against other people who also want to make more money.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 16:01
Subject: Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
Anonymous wrote:
Some people feel that the best education is worth (almost) everything. Others place little valve on it. One can see the difference according to what (or how much) you are willing to sacrifice, in order to attain it.
A good professional nanny is an educator, similar to a teacher.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 15:43
Subject: Re:Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
Just like you can have a job as an auto mechanic, or you can have a career as an auto mechanic - hourly, blue collar work either way - you can have a job OR a career as a nanny. Career Nannies are typically the "elite" nannies who have more earning power and have more experience, a wider network, and more specializations (multiples, SN, infants) but not necessarily.
And like the mechanic, while a career nanny will continue to be a nanny, not morph into a nurse or teacher (or, in the case of the mechanic, an engineer or designer), it in no way means it isn't his/her career.
Lots of judging from people who see a different career in their life/future. What's right for you isn't right for everyone else.
And like the mechanic, while a career nanny will continue to be a nanny, not morph into a nurse or teacher (or, in the case of the mechanic, an engineer or designer), it in no way means it isn't his/her career.
Lots of judging from people who see a different career in their life/future. What's right for you isn't right for everyone else.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 15:26
Subject: Re:Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
First Google result I pulled up came from Simple Money:
A job is something you do simply to earn money; a career is a series of connected employment opportunities.
A job has minimal impact on your future work life, while a career provides experience and learning to fuel your future.
A job offers few networking opportunities, but a career is loaded with them.
When you work at a job, you should do the minimum without annoying the boss. When you’re in a career, you should go the extra mile, doing tasks beyond your minimum job description.
In my experience, nannying has all the elements of a career as defined here.
A job is something you do simply to earn money; a career is a series of connected employment opportunities.
A job has minimal impact on your future work life, while a career provides experience and learning to fuel your future.
A job offers few networking opportunities, but a career is loaded with them.
When you work at a job, you should do the minimum without annoying the boss. When you’re in a career, you should go the extra mile, doing tasks beyond your minimum job description.
In my experience, nannying has all the elements of a career as defined here.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 13:57
Subject: Re:Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
Caring for children can be a career and a calling but it is frustrating that people consider early childcare as a simply a physically custodial blue collar job. Parents need to ask for more, require more and at the end of the day be willing to compensate and not just financially. I am a good nanny and I do not feel like a failure.
Having a job rather than a career doesn't make you a failure unless this is not what you want. A nanny position is an hourly, blue collar job. There is no reason not to be proud of having a blue collar job. Honestly, its your attitude that is the problem here.
A career requires substantial growth. It usually involves an increasing level of responsibility or complexity. This just doesn't exist in the nanny field. You can keep up your skills but this does not make it a career. The fact that some really bad nannies exist who do a terrible job doesn't make someone who doesn't do a shit job a career professional.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 13:51
Subject: Re:Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
The prevalence of this idea by many MBs on this board also leads to a lot of the frustration. There is an assumption that none of us are educated, qualified, or have any work experience outside of nannying. There is an assumption that we are all stupid poor and foreign, and in some people's eyes lower class and not worthy of the respect they show their peers. There is of course nannies who may fall into these stereotypes (not that they are unworthy of respect) but it is not all of us, as you can see from the many educated, professional, and experienced nannies represented on this board.
As a nanny, you've never conducted a nanny search. You receive over 100 responses to one ad. You need to throw out 80 of them because the candidates are people who just aren't qualified for anything else! You do see a good number of teaching rejects who just can't find a job teaching so are looking to be a nanny until they find a teaching job or who were actually just daycare workers calling themselves teachers looking for more money and less supervision work. They can probably do the job fine but this isn't what they want or wanted to do which probably makes them bitter.
A good majority of the nanny posts on this board do not present nannies in a flattering light at all! It may be a few bad apples but most of the nanny posts here are bitter, angry, entitled, and uneducated. They give the impression that nannies are generally incompetent people with bad work ethics and a big chip on their shoulder.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 13:30
Subject: Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
Some people feel that the best education is worth (almost) everything. Others place little valve on it. One can see the difference according to what (or how much) you are willing to sacrifice, in order to attain it.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 13:13
Subject: Re:Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
As long as attitudes like yours exists, we will never have quality childcare in this country. Caring for children can be a career and a calling but it is frustrating that people consider early childcare as a simply a physically custodial blue collar job. Parents need to ask for more, require more and at the end of the day be willing to compensate and not just financially. I am a good nanny and I do not feel like a failure.Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of this stems from jealousy, lack of standards and the fact that nanny jobs are not long term so nannies are always starting over and never getting much farther than when they started.
Nannies don't have co-workers who are in the same job with the same terms as they are and there are no real standard since every job is different. They hear one nanny brag about getting to watch NetFlix all day, getting an extra five weeks of paid vacation, and getting a high salary without knowing whether she is telling the truth or not. They get pissed off that they don't have all these amazing perks too.
Nannies are not dumber than other entry level employees but since they are working for an individual employer rather than a company they need to know how to ask or negotiate up front for benefits and compensation. If you go work at a daycare, the schedule, pay, PTO and any benefits is defined for you upfront by the company. You don't really have much room to negotiate but its clear what the terms are when you are hired. Individual employers don't know or think to do this and nannies don't know or think to ask before they are hired.
It is a dead end job. You can love it and there is nothing wrong with having a job rather than a career. However, it is what it is. A nanny job will last a few years and then you start over. You may be more marketable but you are stuck within the types of jobs that are offered in your market.
The field attracts a lot of people who failed at teaching or are generally not employable in other fields. The problems that led them to fail in other areas make them just as unhappy in their nanny job.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 13:12
Subject: Re:Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of this stems from jealousy, lack of standards and the fact that nanny jobs are not long term so nannies are always starting over and never getting much farther than when they started.
Nannies don't have co-workers who are in the same job with the same terms as they are and there are no real standard since every job is different. They hear one nanny brag about getting to watch NetFlix all day, getting an extra five weeks of paid vacation, and getting a high salary without knowing whether she is telling the truth or not. They get pissed off that they don't have all these amazing perks too.
Nannies are not dumber than other entry level employees but since they are working for an individual employer rather than a company they need to know how to ask or negotiate up front for benefits and compensation. If you go work at a daycare, the schedule, pay, PTO and any benefits is defined for you upfront by the company. You don't really have much room to negotiate but its clear what the terms are when you are hired. Individual employers don't know or think to do this and nannies don't know or think to ask before they are hired.
It is a dead end job. You can love it and there is nothing wrong with having a job rather than a career. However, it is what it is. A nanny job will last a few years and then you start over. You may be more marketable but you are stuck within the types of jobs that are offered in your market.
The field attracts a lot of people who failed at teaching or are generally not employable in other fields. The problems that led them to fail in other areas make them just as unhappy in their nanny job.
The prevalence of this idea by many MBs on this board also leads to a lot of the frustration. There is an assumption that none of us are educated, qualified, or have any work experience outside of nannying. There is an assumption that we are all stupid poor and foreign, and in some people's eyes lower class and not worthy of the respect they show their peers. There is of course nannies who may fall into these stereotypes (not that they are unworthy of respect) but it is not all of us, as you can see from the many educated, professional, and experienced nannies represented on this board. None all of us are teaching rejects either. I have a love for children and choose to work in this area while saving money to start a business and finish school. I'm far from stupid and yeah I do resent a lot of the disrespect I see shown here towards the women who love and care for your children. How could you walk around thinking yourself better than the person you trust your baby to? It baffles and offends me.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 12:43
Subject: Re:Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
I think a lot of this stems from jealousy, lack of standards and the fact that nanny jobs are not long term so nannies are always starting over and never getting much farther than when they started.
Nannies don't have co-workers who are in the same job with the same terms as they are and there are no real standard since every job is different. They hear one nanny brag about getting to watch NetFlix all day, getting an extra five weeks of paid vacation, and getting a high salary without knowing whether she is telling the truth or not. They get pissed off that they don't have all these amazing perks too.
Nannies are not dumber than other entry level employees but since they are working for an individual employer rather than a company they need to know how to ask or negotiate up front for benefits and compensation. If you go work at a daycare, the schedule, pay, PTO and any benefits is defined for you upfront by the company. You don't really have much room to negotiate but its clear what the terms are when you are hired. Individual employers don't know or think to do this and nannies don't know or think to ask before they are hired.
It is a dead end job. You can love it and there is nothing wrong with having a job rather than a career. However, it is what it is. A nanny job will last a few years and then you start over. You may be more marketable but you are stuck within the types of jobs that are offered in your market.
The field attracts a lot of people who failed at teaching or are generally not employable in other fields. The problems that led them to fail in other areas make them just as unhappy in their nanny job.
Nannies don't have co-workers who are in the same job with the same terms as they are and there are no real standard since every job is different. They hear one nanny brag about getting to watch NetFlix all day, getting an extra five weeks of paid vacation, and getting a high salary without knowing whether she is telling the truth or not. They get pissed off that they don't have all these amazing perks too.
Nannies are not dumber than other entry level employees but since they are working for an individual employer rather than a company they need to know how to ask or negotiate up front for benefits and compensation. If you go work at a daycare, the schedule, pay, PTO and any benefits is defined for you upfront by the company. You don't really have much room to negotiate but its clear what the terms are when you are hired. Individual employers don't know or think to do this and nannies don't know or think to ask before they are hired.
It is a dead end job. You can love it and there is nothing wrong with having a job rather than a career. However, it is what it is. A nanny job will last a few years and then you start over. You may be more marketable but you are stuck within the types of jobs that are offered in your market.
The field attracts a lot of people who failed at teaching or are generally not employable in other fields. The problems that led them to fail in other areas make them just as unhappy in their nanny job.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 06:51
Subject: Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
Unfortunately people will continue to mistake the internet for their diary and annoy the piss out of the rest of us.
Anonymous
03/06/2013 05:21
Subject: Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
I agree with PP, so many people are insecure or unhappy with themselves and/or their career and use the anonymous internet to lash out or judge others in an attempt to make themselves feel better. It never works but just remember that the person(s) behind the name calling, trolling, hating, would never say that stuff in real life.
I never let it bother me. They're nobodys in my book. I mean, it's not like I know the person so the things people say never affected me. I think that's what they want, sometype of reaction. If they don't get it then they'll get bored but because trolls get attention, they keep coming back.
(And yes, alot of the trolls are the same people. You can tell by the way they type and things they say.)
I never let it bother me. They're nobodys in my book. I mean, it's not like I know the person so the things people say never affected me. I think that's what they want, sometype of reaction. If they don't get it then they'll get bored but because trolls get attention, they keep coming back.
(And yes, alot of the trolls are the same people. You can tell by the way they type and things they say.)
Anonymous
03/05/2013 15:34
Subject: Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
Good luck OP. I don't think so. I think it's just a handful of angry, bitter people with time on their hands who spoil it for the majority. I think it's pretty unavoidable with an anonymous forum unfortunately.
But I support the effort and idea!
But I support the effort and idea!
Anonymous
03/05/2013 12:47
Subject: Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
Can we dig deep down and talk about the real issue?
It's not about the complaint du jour. -OP
It's not about the complaint du jour. -OP
Anonymous
03/05/2013 12:38
Subject: Can We Fix the Endless Frustration Here ?
What's at the core of all this?
What is all the anger/rage really about?
What is all the anger/rage really about?