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Anonymous wrote:I think what everyone is ignoring with regards to this topic is that affordable childcare is a real issue in this country. What are parents supposed to do who can't afford a nanny or a daycare center? The income limits for daycare assistance are extremely low in most states. What happens is parents leave their children in unsafe situations because of this issue.

You have no idea what this person's financial situation is so I think piling judgment and ridicule on them is very unkind. That may be the absolute best they can do and they may be desperate.

The thing is, "affordable" childcare is not a right. The expense of childcare is a reality that *should* be considered before having kids. Making a decent wage for honest work is a right that we used to value in this country. The real issue is how do we make childcare affordable, while also attracting and retaining quality caregivers, and paying them enough to maintain a certain quality of life. No one cares about the cost of childcare until they have to pay it, and no one cares about childcare workers in general.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what everyone is ignoring with regards to this topic is that affordable childcare is a real issue in this country. What are parents supposed to do who can't afford a nanny or a daycare center? The income limits for daycare assistance are extremely low in most states. What happens is parents leave their children in unsafe situations because of this issue.

You have no idea what this person's financial situation is so I think piling judgment and ridicule on them is very unkind. That may be the absolute best they can do and they may be desperate.

The thing is, "affordable" childcare is not a right. The expense of childcare is a reality that *should* be considered before having kids. Making a decent wage for honest work is a right that we used to value in this country. The real issue is how do we make childcare affordable, while also attracting and retaining quality caregivers, and paying them enough to maintain a certain quality of life. No one cares about the cost of childcare until they have to pay it, and no one cares about childcare workers in general.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what everyone is ignoring with regards to this topic is that affordable childcare is a real issue in this country. What are parents supposed to do who can't afford a nanny or a daycare center? The income limits for daycare assistance are extremely low in most states. What happens is parents leave their children in unsafe situations because of this issue.

You have no idea what this person's financial situation is so I think piling judgment and ridicule on them is very unkind. That may be the absolute best they can do and they may be desperate.

The thing is, "affordable" childcare is not a right. The expense of childcare is a reality that *should* be considered before having kids. Making a decent wage for honest work is a right that we used to value in this country. The real issue is how do we make childcare affordable, while also attracting and retaining quality caregivers, and paying them enough to maintain a certain quality of life. No one cares about the cost of childcare until they have to pay it, and no one cares about childcare workers in general.

I'm the pp you quoted. Of course, childcare isn't a right, but the lack of affordable quality childcare is a real issue that needs a real solution. It is ludicrous to believe that people should have to make 100 thousand a year to afford to have a child and provide decent childcare. I used to work in daycare and I'm fairly happy with the center that I now send my child to, but many many people can't afford good centers and it's naive to think that saying people who can't afford kids shouldn't have them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what everyone is ignoring with regards to this topic is that affordable childcare is a real issue in this country. What are parents supposed to do who can't afford a nanny or a daycare center? The income limits for daycare assistance are extremely low in most states. What happens is parents leave their children in unsafe situations because of this issue.

You have no idea what this person's financial situation is so I think piling judgment and ridicule on them is very unkind. That may be the absolute best they can do and they may be desperate.

The thing is, "affordable" childcare is not a right. The expense of childcare is a reality that *should* be considered before having kids. Making a decent wage for honest work is a right that we used to value in this country. The real issue is how do we make childcare affordable, while also attracting and retaining quality caregivers, and paying them enough to maintain a certain quality of life. No one cares about the cost of childcare until they have to pay it, and no one cares about childcare workers in general.

I'm the pp you quoted. Of course, childcare isn't a right, but the lack of affordable quality childcare is a real issue that needs a real solution. It is ludicrous to believe that people should have to make 100 thousand a year to afford to have a child and provide decent childcare. I used to work in daycare and I'm fairly happy with the center that I now send my child to, but many many people can't afford good centers and it's naive to think that saying people who can't afford kids shouldn't have them.

So who should provide this affordable child care?
Should I just reduce my rates to accommodate the childcare needs of a low-income family?
Someone is going to have to take a loss to make affordable childcare possible.

Anonymous wrote:Would you doctors or attorneys be willing to reduce your fees in order to make your services more affordable to lower income families?
Maybe the grocery store should lower the cost of it's goods for them too.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you doctors or attorneys be willing to reduce your fees in order to make your services more affordable to lower income families?
Maybe the grocery store should lower the cost of it's goods for them too.

Straw man, no one said anyone should decrease their rates. Maybe just try and not ridicule people trying to scrape by though.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you doctors or attorneys be willing to reduce your fees in order to make your services more affordable to lower income families?
Maybe the grocery store should lower the cost of it's goods for them too.

Straw man, no one said anyone should decrease their rates. Maybe just try and not ridicule people trying to scrape by though.

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Anonymous wrote:I was recently offered a position for a newborn and 19 month old, 50 hours a week and light housekeeping. They offered $220 week.

As a mom that makes me shudder. Who the hell are these shameless people?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you doctors or attorneys be willing to reduce your fees in order to make your services more affordable to lower income families?
Maybe the grocery store should lower the cost of it's goods for them too.

Straw man, no one said anyone should decrease their rates. Maybe just try and not ridicule people trying to scrape by though.

Not a straw man. Her argument is legitimate. We hear constantly that something needs to be done about affordable childcare. My reaction is that so many providers of childcare already barely make enough to survive and can't afford to have a family themselves, so where exactly does the affordability come from? We have a problem with affordable health care in this country, but no one expects doctors to simply charge less, or to have "compassion" for low income people. There are childcare options for low income people with regard to childcare. They aren't the best options, and not the newest nicest centers, but that's capitalism. You are not entitled to private customized one on one care in your home, and the people who post these ads ARE being entitled. Expecting someone to watch your kid for next to nothing because you want it but can't afford it is insane. Insane. Let me go put in a laughably lowball offer on a multimillion dollar home that I can't afford, because I want it and everyone needs a home right? Should the owners show me compassion, or would they be offended at my audacity?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you doctors or attorneys be willing to reduce your fees in order to make your services more affordable to lower income families?
Maybe the grocery store should lower the cost of it's goods for them too.

Straw man, no one said anyone should decrease their rates. Maybe just try and not ridicule people trying to scrape by though.

Not a straw man. Her argument is legitimate. We hear constantly that something needs to be done about affordable childcare. My reaction is that so many providers of childcare already barely make enough to survive and can't afford to have a family themselves, so where exactly does the affordability come from? We have a problem with affordable health care in this country, but no one expects doctors to simply charge less, or to have "compassion" for low income people. There are childcare options for low income people with regard to childcare. They aren't the best options, and not the newest nicest centers, but that's capitalism. You are not entitled to private customized one on one care in your home, and the people who post these ads ARE being entitled. Expecting someone to watch your kid for next to nothing because you want it but can't afford it is insane. Insane. Let me go put in a laughably lowball offer on a multimillion dollar home that I can't afford, because I want it and everyone needs a home right? Should the owners show me compassion, or would they be offended at my audacity?

I think you're super uneducated in the argument that you're making. Yes, doctors and other medical providers are actually receiving less and less compensation from the government and insurance companies in reimbursement for visits/procedures and surgeries.

It is not entitled to place an ad looking for childcare. You are coming across as very naive in thinking that everyone who needs help will get assistance for childcare or that the centers that may be available are safe and some are shut down for not even meeting minimum safety standards. I sold my home recently and yes I had people putting in offers for less than half of what it was worth. I politely declined them. Sometimes a low ball offer is accepted in both real estate and childcare.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you doctors or attorneys be willing to reduce your fees in order to make your services more affordable to lower income families?
Maybe the grocery store should lower the cost of it's goods for them too.

Straw man, no one said anyone should decrease their rates. Maybe just try and not ridicule people trying to scrape by though.

Not a straw man. Her argument is legitimate. We hear constantly that something needs to be done about affordable childcare. My reaction is that so many providers of childcare already barely make enough to survive and can't afford to have a family themselves, so where exactly does the affordability come from? We have a problem with affordable health care in this country, but no one expects doctors to simply charge less, or to have "compassion" for low income people. There are childcare options for low income people with regard to childcare. They aren't the best options, and not the newest nicest centers, but that's capitalism. You are not entitled to private customized one on one care in your home, and the people who post these ads ARE being entitled. Expecting someone to watch your kid for next to nothing because you want it but can't afford it is insane. Insane. Let me go put in a laughably lowball offer on a multimillion dollar home that I can't afford, because I want it and everyone needs a home right? Should the owners show me compassion, or would they be offended at my audacity?

I think you're super uneducated in the argument that you're making. Yes, doctors and other medical providers are actually receiving less and less compensation from the government and insurance companies in reimbursement for visits/procedures and surgeries.

It is not entitled to place an ad looking for childcare. You are coming across as very naive in thinking that everyone who needs help will get assistance for childcare or that the centers that may be available are safe and some are shut down for not even meeting minimum safety standards. I sold my home recently and yes I had people putting in offers for less than half of what it was worth. I politely declined them. Sometimes a low ball offer is accepted in both real estate and childcare.

Look, you did not sell your house for 50% of its value. Take your nonsense some where else.