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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I've cared for 5+ children under age 10 alone.

I likely have the other qualities you'd want as well.

I'd want $22/hour or more plus benefits for this position. I know other nannies that fall in this grouping too- none of them would do it for less.

The amount of laundry alone much less managing all the other things for your school age children (meals, lunches for next day, planning activities, finding ways to help with the current school struggles, etc) means the nanny is doing a lot more work then she would for 1-2 kids even if only 1-2 are physically present. A lot more household management goes into this job in order to keep things organized and running smoothly.

Then add in all the extra illnesses, days off of school, juggling after school activities and play dates and holidays and the nanny has 3-4 kids more of the year then you realize.

Now if all you want is somebody to feed thm and keep them alive I think you can get by with the mentality it isn't much work. But most professionals would look at this job and what it requires to do it properly to our own high standards and it is clearly not an easy job.

8:26 seems to think you are a liar if you earn 20+ an hour. Should we consider reporting her until she stops her nonsense? Or do you think she's behaving like an over-tired child looking for attention in all the wrong ways?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Everyone ignores the 20-30/hr poster. She has fun posting nonsense rates constantly. I suspect she makes $10 an hour.

OP I think you should look for a nanny who has experience doing both multi-child care and housekeeping. This doesn't mean that you need to include housekeeping in your job but many of the no housekeeping nannies are just lazy. They search for jobs with the least work and the most pay. If you are paying on the higher average for 3 and saying no housework you may be attracting the lazy and flaky nannies. Eager to make the money, counting on no work because they see no housekeeping and then not being able to manage 4 kids for 3 hours.

When you check references, ask the reference what the nanny did during downtime (nap time or time at preschool) and only move forward with ones where the employer reports that she did something. If the time was her own, she re-charged, or the reference admits that she napped, watched TV, sat on the couch reading a book, move on. Lazy is lazy. This type of nanny will not be able to manage the 3 hours with multiple kids. She'll be more than happy to enjoy the morning with only 1 napping baby and afternoon nap times but will not manage the afternoon well. You want someone who the reference describes as always busy, takes initiatives and then the reference can talk about what they actually did.



Here's the 8:26 poster above.
Anonymous
I absolutely believe the poster who makes $22 for 5 kids, while assuming that some of the children are in school. The other poster said that nannies make $25-30 for one child, and that is very different, so please reference correctly if you feel the need to do so.

OP, I have 3 kids and make $20/hr. One child is in school. I have the 3rd child after school, holidays, and summer. Are you factoring in summer care?

I think you have 2 problems on your hand. First is that you probably are not offering enough for a qualified nanny. I cannot imagine someone taking this position for less that $20. You also need to factor in overtime and your employer taxes. Second, you will only need full-time care for 2 years, when youngest will go to preschool part-time. At that point would you be willing to keep a full-time nanny? I am sure there would still be plenty to do! If so, I would bring that up during the interview.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I absolutely believe the poster who makes $22 for 5 kids, while assuming that some of the children are in school. The other poster said that nannies make $25-30 for one child, and that is very different, so please reference correctly if you feel the need to do so.

OP, I have 3 kids and make $20/hr. One child is in school. I have the 3rd child after school, holidays, and summer. Are you factoring in summer care?

I think you have 2 problems on your hand. First is that you probably are not offering enough for a qualified nanny. I cannot imagine someone taking this position for less that $20. You also need to factor in overtime and your employer taxes. Second, you will only need full-time care for 2 years, when youngest will go to preschool part-time. At that point would you be willing to keep a full-time nanny? I am sure there would still be plenty to do! If so, I would bring that up during the interview.


OP, this is a good point. Would you expect the nanny to have either or both of the older kids if they were sick, had a day off, had an early release day, or in the summer? How long are you expecting the nanny to stay with your family? Long enough that the youngest would drop one nap and the 3yo might drop napping altogether? I fully agree that this job would require at the very least $22/hour with a package similar to guaranteed weekly pay, two weeks vacation, one week sick leave, overtime for the extra 10 hours, over the table. That's like $1,200 a week. I'm assuming you're in DC, but adjust accordingly.

$19/hour would be about $1,000 a week, which would be a pretty good nanny salary for the year if someone can keep up with it. But I feel like if you put out $22/hour and make it very very clear in your add what kind of nanny you are looking for and make it sound like the tough job it is, you'll get some great candidates.
Anonymous
I said that "SOME nannies are paid 25/hr for one child". You are welcome to quote me, but at least be correct, because what you claimed I said, 10:36, is wrong.

Again, 25-30 is NOT any "average" rate. It's what the best and highest paid nannies earn, not including the $52/hr nanny.
Anonymous
NP here. I agree. Some nannies earn more than $20/hr for one child, but those nannies are very few in this area and the poster who keeps saying the $25-30 is an average rate is doing a disservice to both parents and nannies. As for the $52/hr nanny, I don't think she exists, which is a polite way of saying she lies.

For the OP's job, I definitely agree with PPs that this is worth $22/hr with full benefits.

Also, I think a PP made a great point about checking references to find a nanny who show initiative during downtime as a way to find a candidate who can handle the busy times when all four kids are around.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I said that "SOME nannies are paid 25/hr for one child". You are welcome to quote me, but at least be correct, because what you claimed I said, 10:36, is wrong.

Again, 25-30 is NOT any "average" rate. It's what the best and highest paid nannies earn, not including the $52/hr nanny.


For 12:38 who can't seem to read simple English,
25-30 is NOT an average rate. Which part is confusing you?
Anonymous
Hi
Caring for four kids is very hard. I take care of two infants and two toddlers. Two of the children are mine and the other two I babysit . The money is not the issue a fair rate will be between $20-$25 base on what you require from the nanny. Is she there to only care for the children or do you expect her to do more than that ? If you require light housekeeping with four children you need to pay a high rate.But I think you can organize the nanny life if you create a schedule for your children when they are all in the house. Taking care of two school children should be that difficult .Give them snack , homework and playdates. The toddlers need to have a schedule so they don't get bored and drive the nanny crazy. For example , snack for 3o min , arts and craft or 30 min , dancing/playing in the yard 1 hr , usually the challenge need to have the activities prepare for the nanny. Find the community activities that nanny can do outdoors with the 12 month old that way once they have a good active morning , the toddler become more mellow in the afternoon. its all about planning since you know your children more than the nanny just make sure you help at the beginning while new nanny and kids adjust.
good luck
Anonymous
OP, no offense, but it sounds to me like you are justifying paying what you are offering by saying that this job is not that hard.

Many parents tell me things like this to justify why they are paying me what they are paying me.

They will say, "Oh well little Susie naps for 2 hours a day," or "Johnny is a good kid...He usually self entertains," etc.

No matter how you put your own spin on it, four kids is four kids. And for someone to be 100% responsible for them, you need to pay a decent salary for it. No justifications or excuses. Got it??

I don't know what you are considering "middle of the road" here, but that term is very subjective. What is "middle of the road" may be peanuts to some people, you know.

I think you should up your offer and I bet you will find someone soon.

Good luck OP.
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Anonymous wrote:We are having a hard time finding a nanny for our four kids, and I come here to seek advice from others who have successfully done so (or nannies who have worked in similar situations). Our situation is this: two school aged kids, 7 and 5, full day school. One 3 year old, part day preschool 2x/wk. One 1 year old, at home. Nanny works from about 8-5:30/6. School aged kids get home at 3:00, so she's responsible for them for 2.5-3 hrs of after school time. No significant cleaning tasks or anything, other than kids laundry and keeping up with kids toys (directing older kids, assisting younger kids). No dinner prep, etc. - just feed them an after school snack, maybe oversee some very limited homework, and let them play.

We are finding that it's just about impossible to find a good nanny who can handle this set of kids and won't flake out on us. We're paying pretty middle of the road rates - definitely not low, but also not premium wages. I am reluctant to pay a premium wage when half the kids are gone for the majority of the day. The nanny currently has about 1.5-2 hours in the morning of complete quiet (youngest napping, 3 yr old at preschool), and a good 2.5 hours in the afternoon of quiet time (both younger kids napping). This doesn't seem like an insanely heavy workload to me, but maybe I'm underestimating.

Our problem seems to be attracting decent candidates who are confident enough to handle four kids, including the short term burst of energy that comes through the door at the end of the school day. Many are fine with two kids, or three, but the idea of four seems to scare them off before they even give it a chance.

Help me out here - what to do? Suggestions other than "throw money at the problem" would be helpful.


So, other than laundry for 4 kids (6+ loads a week, I would guess, more if she also washes their linens.) and "toy management" (tidying and supervising on a daily basis, with 2 reluctant-to-clean-up-kids under 4 and 2 over-wrought-from-school-kids ages 5 and 7), what else do you expect from your nanny in the way of light housework? Does she serve your kids the meals/snacks you made the day before, or does she have to make meals and snacks? Does she leave the dishes they use in the sink or on the table, or do you expect her to clean up after meals? Do you expect her to make any beds? Is she expected to deal with the dishwasher at all? What about keeping the floors clean? Do you expect her to empty diaper genies and household trash? Are there any family pets she is expected to care for? Does she have to drive any kids anywhere for school or other activities? Do you expect her to grocery shop or run any errands?

What are nanny's hours? What benefits do you offer? How do you show her your appreciation for a job well done? What expectations do you have of her regarding your children's emotional, physical, psychological and social development? What do you ask of her when it comes to their education?

I'll return to offer advice later. I hope you'll have responded to the questions above so that I can tailor my thoughts to your actual job description and needs!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
I said that "SOME nannies are paid 25/hr for one child". You are welcome to quote me, but at least be correct, because what you claimed I said, 10:36, is wrong.

Again, 25-30 is NOT any "average" rate. It's what the best and highest paid nannies earn, not including the $52/hr nanny.


For 12:38 who can't seem to read simple English,
25-30 is NOT an average rate. Which part is confusing you?


You are addressing me but quoting someone else. I'm not the one who is confused. You are.
Anonymous
I've cared for four or five children at once. It's actually easier than 2 or 3 kids because they entertain each other. I really just herded them, and plucked them out one at a time for diaper changes or special fun projects or whatever. Lots of times I can divide them into two groups, settle each group with an activity, and then keep going back and forth between the groups to monitor, help, etc. as needed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I've cared for four or five children at once. It's actually easier than 2 or 3 kids because they entertain each other. I really just herded them, and plucked them out one at a time for diaper changes or special fun projects or whatever. Lots of times I can divide them into two groups, settle each group with an activity, and then keep going back and forth between the groups to monitor, help, etc. as needed.


Spoken like a competent, experienced nanny. OP - this is who you need. But I bet she earns more than you're paying.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've cared for four or five children at once. It's actually easier than 2 or 3 kids because they entertain each other. I really just herded them, and plucked them out one at a time for diaper changes or special fun projects or whatever. Lots of times I can divide them into two groups, settle each group with an activity, and then keep going back and forth between the groups to monitor, help, etc. as needed.


Spoken like a competent, experienced nanny. OP - this is who you need. But I bet she earns more than you're paying.

The nanny sounds like a career Mom to me, lol. Kudos to her.
Anonymous
OP?? Have you found someone yet?
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