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Anonymous wrote:BTW 9:45, as long as you have a high school diploma, you can get hired as a preschool teacher. So these "great preschools" you're talking about usually don't even require college educated teachers. As long as they take a few early childhood credits at some point they're considered "qualified". Whereas these rejects you're referring to usually have college degrees on more than one child-related field.


Oops, PP here. I meant 9:42.
Anonymous
You guys are nuts. I earn 20/hr and I have one kid most of the day, then I get the other in the afternoon. In silver spring. Seeing how crazy you people get makes me really hopeful that it pisses you off that I'm well paid.
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From nanny.org, the website of the International Nanny Association:

Parents are also encouraged to carefully consider which nanny care model suits them best when searching for a nanny. There are three main models of nanny care. These include custodial care, coordinated care and surrogate care. All models provide valued contributions to the family and support the parents as they raise their children.

In the custodial care model, the nanny’s role is limited to meeting the children’s physical and emotional needs during their parents’ absence. In this model, the parents manage the children’s day by providing the nanny with specific guidance. A nanny who provides custodial care will not have input into the child’s scheduling or activities and does not have a voice regarding childrearing practices or parenting philosophies.

In the coordinated model of nanny care the nanny’s role is to be a team player in raising the children. Nannies who engage in the coordinated model of care are viewed as true parenting partners. Nannies in this model have a voice when it comes to childrearing practices and parenting philosophies. Their input is not only sought, but highly valued by the parents. These nannies tend to be full charge nannies who are given the freedom to make the day to day decisions regarding the children’s activities and outings.

In the surrogate model of nanny care, the nanny’s role is to be the primary caregiver for the children. In this model of nanny care, the nanny may have limited interaction with her employers and may be left to make many deci­sions for the children in her care. Nannies who engage in the surrogate model of care may work for parents who travel extensively and require a guardian type of caregiver while they are away from the home.

http://nanny.org/page.aspx?pid=437#type
Anonymous
Good contribution from Nanny Deb and the nanny association. The key here is, who is the PRIMARY caregiver, during the child's waking hours? It is that person who knows the child the best, and ideally has the most "authority", for lack of a better word.
Anonymous
Traditionally dads who were gone at work all day, would usually defer to the mom (or whoever) in matters related to the children. It was the person "at home" who knew best what was going on all day, and what it was, that the children needed, or not.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In another thread a poster commented that what I do is custodial care. I didn't (and still really don't) know if she was being sarcastic or genuine.
Anyway, I'm pretty much the family nanny. My charge is one 6mo old and occasionally (ie maybe 1-2 times every 2/3mos) his 3yr old sibling. I have free reign over my days and MB doesn't care if we go places or run errands or just stay home. I don't have any housework in my contract but if I see something that needs to be done, I do it. My entire (IMO) existance as a nanny is to make MBs life exponentially easy. Otherwise she could as easily stick ds in daycare. I'm flexible, accommodating and do what this board would consider extreme above and beyond. And I don't agree. I feel it's doing the best job I can, even if that means some housework or dinner prep without demanding more pay. I am responsible for stimulating baby ds, working on motor skills, nutrition, etc but not at the expense of being lazy. Idk what kind of technical "nanny" care that is, but it works for me and my nanny family and they pay 20$ an hour for a 50hr week


What are you looking for? A pat on the back? Lol.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Well, PP, you don't know 12:47, unless you're a sock puppet, so we can pretty much assume you are just desperately trying to drive up rate expectations here. Or you're a liar.

Which is it? Because here in DC, everyone knows there are no nannies earning $20/hr for 2 kids. Unless the parents are astonishingly stupid or have extraordinary needs.

I'm sure that's not your situation, nanny. And before you get all het up. we're sure you're not an MB either.


I agree 100% -- OP seems to have some big ego which isn't making her look too good.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Educator nanny usually = unemployed teacher. You are better off sending your child to a great preschool to be taught by the preschool teachers who were qualified enough to get those jobs, not hiring one of the rejects to work in your home.



+1 LOL
Anonymous
5:37 & 5:39, Sorry you got up out of the wrong side of the bed this morning. If all you want to do is be nasty, please do so somewhere else. When you have something constructive to contribute to this discussion, you are most kindly welcome here.
If the OP has touch a nerve with this topic, and it's to much for you, move on and have a good day.
Anonymous
Should be "touched".
PS And to the nasty poster, the rest of us here should refer to you as "snarky mom".
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This concept is the reason why nanny wages are really all over the map. There is no standard or even a "ceiling". Every parent is looking for something different. It's almost as impossible as constructing a job description for your spouse. You know what qualities you are hoping for, but you never know for sure until you see it, and how it all fits together. The relationship is so personal, that what's worth next to nothing to one person, is worth the world, to another.

The most vocal parents here seem to have a focused mission, to dictate that NO nanny can possibly be worth $XX/hr. Who are they to determine what every other parent values? What is their real agenda?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In another thread a poster commented that what I do is custodial care. I didn't (and still really don't) know if she was being sarcastic or genuine.
Anyway, I'm pretty much the family nanny. My charge is one 6mo old and occasionally (ie maybe 1-2 times every 2/3mos) his 3yr old sibling. I have free reign over my days and MB doesn't care if we go places or run errands or just stay home. I don't have any housework in my contract but if I see something that needs to be done, I do it. My entire (IMO) existance as a nanny is to make MBs life exponentially easy. Otherwise she could as easily stick ds in daycare. I'm flexible, accommodating and do what this board would consider extreme above and beyond. And I don't agree. I feel it's doing the best job I can, even if that means some housework or dinner prep without demanding more pay. I am responsible for stimulating baby ds, working on motor skills, nutrition, etc but not at the expense of being lazy. Idk what kind of technical "nanny" care that is, but it works for me and my nanny family and they pay 20$ an hour for a 50hr week



The real question is would you feel the same toward your nanny family if they were trying to pay you $10 hr? No one gives their best to just make ends meet. You give your best as a nanny to a family who treats you well emotionally, and financially. You go above and beyond for those employers if your a great nanny. The real problem is finding a great nanny and a great family to go together.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In another thread a poster commented that what I do is custodial care. I didn't (and still really don't) know if she was being sarcastic or genuine.
Anyway, I'm pretty much the family nanny. My charge is one 6mo old and occasionally (ie maybe 1-2 times every 2/3mos) his 3yr old sibling. I have free reign over my days and MB doesn't care if we go places or run errands or just stay home. I don't have any housework in my contract but if I see something that needs to be done, I do it. My entire (IMO) existance as a nanny is to make MBs life exponentially easy. Otherwise she could as easily stick ds in daycare. I'm flexible, accommodating and do what this board would consider extreme above and beyond. And I don't agree. I feel it's doing the best job I can, even if that means some housework or dinner prep without demanding more pay. I am responsible for stimulating baby ds, working on motor skills, nutrition, etc but not at the expense of being lazy. Idk what kind of technical "nanny" care that is, but it works for me and my nanny family and they pay 20$ an hour for a 50hr week



The real question is would you feel the same toward your nanny family if they were trying to pay you $10 hr? No one gives their best to just make ends meet. You give your best as a nanny to a family who treats you well emotionally, and financially. You go above and beyond for those employers if your a great nanny. The real problem is finding a great nanny and a great family to go together.


Really?!?!?!? A two year old thread? Please, and do take this very seriously, get a life.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This concept is the reason why nanny wages are really all over the map. There is no standard or even a "ceiling". Every parent is looking for something different. It's almost as impossible as constructing a job description for your spouse. You know what qualities you are hoping for, but you never know for sure until you see it, and how it all fits together. The relationship is so personal, that what's worth next to nothing to one person, is worth the world, to another.

The most vocal parents here seem to have a focused mission, to dictate that NO nanny can possibly be worth $XX/hr. Who are they to determine what every other parent values? What is their real agenda?

Leaving aside the emotion in your post, I think it is reasonable to make an argument about two types of childcare providers, both valuable in their own right and worth their wages:

- an extended "baby nurse" who takes care of newborns through maybe 3 or 4, taking care of their physical needs, love, affection, fresh air, healthy routine, independent habits like eating, potty training, sleep routines plus early education.

- then there is a governess type who works with older children and that person is primarily an educator who shapes cognition, exposes the child to new concepts, superintends their education and looks for opportunities for enrichment. She may or may not oversee other tutors but her primary focus is education and character building.

Just my 0.02c.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This concept is the reason why nanny wages are really all over the map. There is no standard or even a "ceiling". Every parent is looking for something different. It's almost as impossible as constructing a job description for your spouse. You know what qualities you are hoping for, but you never know for sure until you see it, and how it all fits together. The relationship is so personal, that what's worth next to nothing to one person, is worth the world, to another.

The most vocal parents here seem to have a focused mission, to dictate that NO nanny can possibly be worth $XX/hr. Who are they to determine what every other parent values? What is their real agenda?

Leaving aside the emotion in your post, I think it is reasonable to make an argument about two types of childcare providers, both valuable in their own right and worth their wages:

- an extended "baby nurse" who takes care of newborns through maybe 3 or 4, taking care of their physical needs, love, affection, fresh air, healthy routine, independent habits like eating, potty training, sleep routines plus early education.

- then there is a governess type who works with older children and that person is primarily an educator who shapes cognition, exposes the child to new concepts, superintends their education and looks for opportunities for enrichment. She may or may not oversee other tutors but her primary focus is education and character building.

Just my 0.02c.

Thank you for your post. Question for you, if I may... What top three qualities pop into your mind that make a successful teacher?
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