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Anonymous wrote:This is where the protests are happening, a pretty small area compared to the city of LA as a whole.

Then why can’t Newsome get a hold on it without federal help? Why is the LAPD saying things are out of control?

He can, but trump illegally superceded him. LAPD put out notice it was under control, and then the feds ramped it up again.

The law allows for the president to send in troops in a rebellion like this. Newsome has lost control and federal agents and buildings much be protected. Pretty straight forward. Newsome couldn’t do his job.

This isn't a "rebellion" sheesh.

They meant resurrection

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t January 6 a rebellion? Or was that an insurrection?

Why didn’t he call the National Guard then?

Hmmmm …….

The following quotes are from congressional testimony

Days before January 6, 2021, President Trump met with senior Pentagon leaders urging them to do their jobs to protect lives and property. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley, recalls a conversation between the Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, and President Trump:

Milley: “The President just says, ‘Hey, look at this. There’s going to be a large amount of protestors here on the 6th, make sure that you have sufficient National Guard or Soldiers to make sure it’s a safe event.’… [POTUS said] I don’t care if you use Guard, or Soldiers, active duty Soldiers, do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it’s safe.' [SecDef] Miller responds by saying, 'Hey, we’ve got a plan, and we’ve got it covered.'”

On January 5, the Secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy, placed unprecedented restrictions on DCNG Commander Major General William Walker to prevent any movement to the Capitol without Secretary McCarthy’s explicit permission on January 6 and 7.

On January 6, 2021, the outer perimeter on the West Front of the U.S. Capitol was breached by rioters at 12:53pm. The DCNG arrived five hours later. Click here to view the timeline.

These transcripts prove President Trump’s senior Pentagon leaders were focused on OPTICS, instead of doing their job, as the Capitol was breached:

Miller: “There was absolutely – there is absolutely no way I was putting U.S. military forces at the Capitol, period.”

Wasn’t January 6 a rebellion? Or was that an insurrection?

Why didn’t he call the National Guard then?

Hmmmm …….

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Anonymous wrote:The current chaos isn’t a surprise in a city and state that too often tolerate lawlessness. Still, it wasn’t clear early Sunday whether deploying troops was necessary or would be constructive. But asked late Sunday if the National Guard were needed, L.A. police chief Jim McDonnell responded: “Well, looking at tonight, this thing has gotten out of control.”

… Mr. Newsom said the President’s calling in the National Guard is an “unmistakable step toward authoritarianism,” which is transparent hyperbole. The rarely used law Mr. Trump invoked allows such a deployment when “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.” Rioters are certainly rebelling against the authority of immigration enforcement.

The airwaves and social media are saturated with footage of protesters waving Mexican flags atop burning cars, carrying signs claiming California is “Stolen land” and chanting “We don’t want ICE or police!” Mr. Newsom really is living in La La Land if he thinks Americans will side with such radicals over Mr. Trump.

- WSJ

Just responding to the Mexican claims to stolen land. The Mexicans should look at themselves, then. Their Spaniard lineage, if this is what they are claiming, is founded on Indigenous stolen land.

You're out of touch. Studies show that many Mexicans have a majority indigenous ancestry. You seem to have forgotten that there were indiginous people in Mexico before the Spaniards came and that the Spaniards were a minority in Mexico and that the indigenous roots are still quite strong in Mexico.

Of course I know that, dumb dumb. Don’t fly the Mexican flag, then. Show flags of Indigenous nations.

LMAO you truly are a dumbass. The Mexican flag IS based on an indigenous theme. It shows the Aztec legend of how Huitzilopochtli told them they would settle in a place where they would find an eagle on a prickly pear eating a snake. And that is where they built Tenochtitlan.

Sure, but Mexican identity and culture is steeped in the Spanish language and Catholicism. So colonial.

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Anonymous wrote:This is where the protests are happening, a pretty small area compared to the city of LA as a whole.

Then why can’t Newsome get a hold on it without federal help? Why is the LAPD saying things are out of control?

He can, but trump illegally superceded him. LAPD put out notice it was under control, and then the feds ramped it up again.

The law allows for the president to send in troops in a rebellion like this. Newsome has lost control and federal agents and buildings much be protected. Pretty straight forward. Newsome couldn’t do his job.

“Rebellion” hah

Who paid you to be on DCUM to spout this stuff?

WSJ agrees, and they are pro immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:In a CBS News/YouGov poll conducted June 4-6, 54% of Americans said they approved of Trump's deporation policy, and 50% approved of how he's handling immigration

You're leaving out most of the other findings related to Trump's immigration policy that were part of the same poll:

*A slight majority feel the administration's deportation efforts are prioritizing people they believe are dangerous criminals. Those who say this are very supportive of the program, and feel the program is making people in the U.S. safer. But if people don't think it is dangerous criminals who are the focus of the deportation effort, support drops dramatically.

*In terms of how many people the administration is trying to deport, more is not necessarily better in the public mind.

*Half of Americans say Trump is deporting more people than they thought he would during the 2024 campaign. And most in this group disapprove of the deportation program.

*On that topic of process, big percentages of Americans continue to say it is not acceptable if legal residents are mistakenly deported as part of the program.

*Unlike the net-positive views about safety, more Americans think the deportation program will weaken than strengthen the economy.

*A larger share of Americans say immigrants generally fill jobs Americans won't do.

*Trump's approval rating on immigration continues to be higher than his marks on the economy and inflation. As has typically been the case in his second term, he gets his highest specific ratings from Republicans on immigration. His overall job approval remains unchanged (55% disapproval).

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportation-immigration-opinion-poll/

You claimed the 50 percent approval rating was false or came from fox news. I showed you a link to multiple polls proving my point.

And yes, as you note, his approval ratings on immigration are his highest.

I didn't claim anything. You're talking to someone else. Your initial facts check out. I just said that you left some other poll findings out--and I listed them. I also provided a link to the poll. The reality is that attitudes about immigration tend to fall along party lines. That's another thing that the poll discussed. The overwhelming support for Miller's initiatives (because he is behind most of them) come from MAGA, not from Dems.

Wrong again.

Nearly half of independents support Trump on deportation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/09/trump-approval-immigration-polling-ice-la-protests/84113509007/

How can I be wrong? I literally cut and pasted from the article you referred to and which I linked to. I didn't even mention independents.

“The overwhelming support for Miller's initiatives (because he is behind most of them) come from MAGA, not from Dems.”

Wrong, the support comes from republicans and independents. See link. Not sure why this is confusing to you?

We're talking about two different articles. I'm talking about the one from CBS itself reporting on its own poll. You linked to a different article in USA Today discussing the poll. The CBS article says the following about independents (again, I'm just copying directly from the article).

"A lot of this is partisan, and over time, it has become even more so. Independents aren't as supportive of the deportation program as they were a couple of months ago, leaving the GOP base as the only partisan group with majority backing of the program now. But it is an overwhelming one among Republicans."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportation-immigration-opinion-poll/

And I produced the data that disproves your assertion that current support for deportation is coming from “maga”. The link you cited says nothing about maga and refers to trend not latest polls.

I used "MAGA" instead of "Republican" because people who voted for Trump are not true Republicans--they are MAGA. Perhaps you make a distinction between MAGA and Republicans, but a lot of people don't since the GOP has become the de facto MAGA party.

But if it makes you feel better, you can strike out the word "MAGA" and replace it with "Republican." The sentence from your article says: "Most of that support came from his base: 93% of Republicans said they approved, compared to 18% of Democrats. Meanwhile, 49% of independents agreed." And I said: "The overwhelming support come from MAGA, not from Dems.” Just take out my word "MAGA" and replace with "Republicans" and it echoes the exact language from your article: "Most of that support came from his base: 93% of Republicans said they approved..." I said "overwhelming support"--your article said "most of that support."

When half of independents support the deportation policy, the claim it’s all maga republicans supporting it is false. As the link provided showed.

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Anonymous wrote:This is where the protests are happening, a pretty small area compared to the city of LA as a whole.

Then why can’t Newsome get a hold on it without federal help? Why is the LAPD saying things are out of control?

He can, but trump illegally superceded him. LAPD put out notice it was under control, and then the feds ramped it up again.

The law allows for the president to send in troops in a rebellion like this. Newsome has lost control and federal agents and buildings much be protected. Pretty straight forward. Newsome couldn’t do his job.

“Rebellion” hah

Who paid you to be on DCUM to spout this stuff?

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Anonymous wrote:In a CBS News/YouGov poll conducted June 4-6, 54% of Americans said they approved of Trump's deporation policy, and 50% approved of how he's handling immigration

You're leaving out most of the other findings related to Trump's immigration policy that were part of the same poll:

*A slight majority feel the administration's deportation efforts are prioritizing people they believe are dangerous criminals. Those who say this are very supportive of the program, and feel the program is making people in the U.S. safer. But if people don't think it is dangerous criminals who are the focus of the deportation effort, support drops dramatically.

*In terms of how many people the administration is trying to deport, more is not necessarily better in the public mind.

*Half of Americans say Trump is deporting more people than they thought he would during the 2024 campaign. And most in this group disapprove of the deportation program.

*On that topic of process, big percentages of Americans continue to say it is not acceptable if legal residents are mistakenly deported as part of the program.

*Unlike the net-positive views about safety, more Americans think the deportation program will weaken than strengthen the economy.

*A larger share of Americans say immigrants generally fill jobs Americans won't do.

*Trump's approval rating on immigration continues to be higher than his marks on the economy and inflation. As has typically been the case in his second term, he gets his highest specific ratings from Republicans on immigration. His overall job approval remains unchanged (55% disapproval).

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportation-immigration-opinion-poll/

You claimed the 50 percent approval rating was false or came from fox news. I showed you a link to multiple polls proving my point.

And yes, as you note, his approval ratings on immigration are his highest.

I didn't claim anything. You're talking to someone else. Your initial facts check out. I just said that you left some other poll findings out--and I listed them. I also provided a link to the poll. The reality is that attitudes about immigration tend to fall along party lines. That's another thing that the poll discussed. The overwhelming support for Miller's initiatives (because he is behind most of them) come from MAGA, not from Dems.

Wrong again.

Nearly half of independents support Trump on deportation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/09/trump-approval-immigration-polling-ice-la-protests/84113509007/

How can I be wrong? I literally cut and pasted from the article you referred to and which I linked to. I didn't even mention independents.

“The overwhelming support for Miller's initiatives (because he is behind most of them) come from MAGA, not from Dems.”

Wrong, the support comes from republicans and independents. See link. Not sure why this is confusing to you?

We're talking about two different articles. I'm talking about the one from CBS itself reporting on its own poll. You linked to a different article in USA Today discussing the poll. The CBS article says the following about independents (again, I'm just copying directly from the article).

"A lot of this is partisan, and over time, it has become even more so. Independents aren't as supportive of the deportation program as they were a couple of months ago, leaving the GOP base as the only partisan group with majority backing of the program now. But it is an overwhelming one among Republicans."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportation-immigration-opinion-poll/

And I produced the data that disproves your assertion that current support for deportation is coming from “maga”. The link you cited says nothing about maga and refers to trend not latest polls.

I used "MAGA" instead of "Republican" because people who voted for Trump are not true Republicans--they are MAGA. Perhaps you make a distinction between MAGA and Republicans, but a lot of people don't since the GOP has become the de facto MAGA party.

But if it makes you feel better, you can strike out the word "MAGA" and replace it with "Republican." The sentence from your article says: "Most of that support came from his base: 93% of Republicans said they approved, compared to 18% of Democrats. Meanwhile, 49% of independents agreed." And I said: "The overwhelming support come from MAGA, not from Dems.” Just take out my word "MAGA" and replace with "Republicans" and it echoes the exact language from your article: "Most of that support came from his base: 93% of Republicans said they approved..." I said "overwhelming support"--your article said "most of that support."

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Anonymous wrote:This is where the protests are happening, a pretty small area compared to the city of LA as a whole.

Then why can’t Newsome get a hold on it without federal help? Why is the LAPD saying things are out of control?

He can, but trump illegally superceded him. LAPD put out notice it was under control, and then the feds ramped it up again.

The law allows for the president to send in troops in a rebellion like this. Newsome has lost control and federal agents and buildings much be protected. Pretty straight forward. Newsome couldn’t do his job.

This isn't a "rebellion" sheesh.

President makes that call, not Newsome.

WSJ: The rarely used law Mr. Trump invoked allows such a deployment when “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.” Rioters are certainly rebelling against the authority of immigration enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:This is where the protests are happening, a pretty small area compared to the city of LA as a whole.

Then why can’t Newsome get a hold on it without federal help? Why is the LAPD saying things are out of control?

He can, but trump illegally superceded him. LAPD put out notice it was under control, and then the feds ramped it up again.

The law allows for the president to send in troops in a rebellion like this. Newsome has lost control and federal agents and buildings much be protected. Pretty straight forward. Newsome couldn’t do his job.

Newsome has absolutely not lost control. You are watching too much right wing propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Fetterman on X:

I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration—but this is not that.

This is anarchy and true chaos.

My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement.

The protestors were protexting themselves from the aggression by ICE. the facts matter and this whole thing, like most of Trump 1.0, is contrived to justify the ends.

Your own party members are telling you that’s false. Open your eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:This is where the protests are happening, a pretty small area compared to the city of LA as a whole.

Then why can’t Newsome get a hold on it without federal help? Why is the LAPD saying things are out of control?

He can, but trump illegally superceded him. LAPD put out notice it was under control, and then the feds ramped it up again.

The law allows for the president to send in troops in a rebellion like this. Newsome has lost control and federal agents and buildings much be protected. Pretty straight forward. Newsome couldn’t do his job.

This isn't a "rebellion" sheesh.

Anonymous wrote:18 U.S. Code § 111 - Assault on a Federal Officer

https://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/assault-on-a-federal-0fficer

ICE detained a US Marshal. They are out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:The current chaos isn’t a surprise in a city and state that too often tolerate lawlessness. Still, it wasn’t clear early Sunday whether deploying troops was necessary or would be constructive. But asked late Sunday if the National Guard were needed, L.A. police chief Jim McDonnell responded: “Well, looking at tonight, this thing has gotten out of control.”

… Mr. Newsom said the President’s calling in the National Guard is an “unmistakable step toward authoritarianism,” which is transparent hyperbole. The rarely used law Mr. Trump invoked allows such a deployment when “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.” Rioters are certainly rebelling against the authority of immigration enforcement.

The airwaves and social media are saturated with footage of protesters waving Mexican flags atop burning cars, carrying signs claiming California is “Stolen land” and chanting “We don’t want ICE or police!” Mr. Newsom really is living in La La Land if he thinks Americans will side with such radicals over Mr. Trump.

- WSJ

Just responding to the Mexican claims to stolen land. The Mexicans should look at themselves, then. Their Spaniard lineage, if this is what they are claiming, is founded on Indigenous stolen land.

You're out of touch. Studies show that many Mexicans have a majority indigenous ancestry. You seem to have forgotten that there were indiginous people in Mexico before the Spaniards came and that the Spaniards were a minority in Mexico and that the indigenous roots are still quite strong in Mexico.

Of course I know that, dumb dumb. Don’t fly the Mexican flag, then. Show flags of Indigenous nations.

LMAO you truly are a dumbass. The Mexican flag IS based on an indigenous theme. It shows the Aztec legend of how Huitzilopochtli told them they would settle in a place where they would find an eagle on a prickly pear eating a snake. And that is where they built Tenochtitlan.

18 U.S. Code § 111 - Assault on a Federal Officer

https://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/assault-on-a-federal-0fficer