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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

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Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.

That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?

My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.

It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.

My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.

Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.

Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.

Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?

Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.

This is not that hard.

. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…

Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.

. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.

Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.

Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.

I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.

Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.

And it might not matter if you did, because what this poster continues to refuse to grapple with is the fact that there’s absolutely nothing in the SAVE Act that says you can use your marriage license to show a name change.

There is a provision for discrepancies. A marriage license would resolve the discrepancy between names. (There are also other reasons people change names--even just not liking their name. Adoption would be another document that could apply. Really, if you have a document that explains the name change, there would not be a problem.)

This is your creative interpretation, because not one single word in the SAVE act says a marriage license is sufficient to show a name change. Women will be at the mercy of the same people posting videos saying they should not be allowed to vote in the first place.

You must really be desperate. because not one single word says that it cannot be used. There is a provision. They cannot possibly spell out every single issue--so if you have documentation justifying a name change, you are good. Certainly, an official document (a marriage license) would be sufficient. And, you might not even need that if you have other documentation and proof. It is actually more flexible than you think.

Here is a quote from the bill:
Directs States to establish a process, subject to EAC guidance, for individuals to
register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents
(i.e. if the name on an individual’s ID and birth certificate do not match due to a
name change).

You realize this bolded means they can refuse to accept marriage licenses right?

You really believe they would do that? It is an official document.
Sounds like you really don't think voter ID is a good thing. I bet you support blanket mail in voting.

The secretary of defense posted a seven minute video about how women shouldn’t have the right to vote, and calling for the repeal of the constitutional amendment that gives it to them.

So yes, I absolutely believe they would do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

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Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.

That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?

My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.

It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.

My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.

Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.

Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.

Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?

Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.

This is not that hard.

. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…

Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.

. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.

Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.

Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.

I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.

Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.

And it might not matter if you did, because what this poster continues to refuse to grapple with is the fact that there’s absolutely nothing in the SAVE Act that says you can use your marriage license to show a name change.

There is a provision for discrepancies. A marriage license would resolve the discrepancy between names. (There are also other reasons people change names--even just not liking their name. Adoption would be another document that could apply. Really, if you have a document that explains the name change, there would not be a problem.)

This is your creative interpretation, because not one single word in the SAVE act says a marriage license is sufficient to show a name change. Women will be at the mercy of the same people posting videos saying they should not be allowed to vote in the first place.

You must really be desperate. because not one single word says that it cannot be used. There is a provision. They cannot possibly spell out every single issue--so if you have documentation justifying a name change, you are good. Certainly, an official document (a marriage license) would be sufficient. And, you might not even need that if you have other documentation and proof. It is actually more flexible than you think.

Here is a quote from the bill:
Directs States to establish a process, subject to EAC guidance, for individuals to
register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents
(i.e. if the name on an individual’s ID and birth certificate do not match due to a
name change).

You realize this bolded means they can refuse to accept marriage licenses right?

You really believe they would do that? It is an official document.
Sounds like you really don't think voter ID is a good thing. I bet you support blanket mail in voting.

This administration is led by someone who came to political prominence by casting doubt on the sitting President’s official documents, so yes, I think they would do that.

What is “blanket mail in voting”? You mean like they have in Utah? What is wrong with that?

Some absentee ballots are not vetted properly. I am not familiar with how Utah does it, but I do know that there is quite a bit of proven voter fraud and it comes mostly from mail in voting. Most of the proof comes from local races, but it is not reasonable to think that it does not occur in state and federal races.

Eight states send ballots to every registered voter.
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/08/21/a-look-at-the-current-state-of-absentee-mail-in-voting-in-the-u-s/

People die. People move. Very easy to use someone else's ballot in some of these states.
Ballot harvesting is another issue where people gather ballots and turn them in.

Who do you think fills out the ballots in nursing homes?

Prove it.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

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Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.

That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?

My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.

It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.

My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.

Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.

Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.

Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?

Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.

This is not that hard.

. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…

Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.

. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.

Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.

Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.

I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.

Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.

And it might not matter if you did, because what this poster continues to refuse to grapple with is the fact that there’s absolutely nothing in the SAVE Act that says you can use your marriage license to show a name change.

There is a provision for discrepancies. A marriage license would resolve the discrepancy between names. (There are also other reasons people change names--even just not liking their name. Adoption would be another document that could apply. Really, if you have a document that explains the name change, there would not be a problem.)

This is your creative interpretation, because not one single word in the SAVE act says a marriage license is sufficient to show a name change. Women will be at the mercy of the same people posting videos saying they should not be allowed to vote in the first place.

You must really be desperate. because not one single word says that it cannot be used. There is a provision. They cannot possibly spell out every single issue--so if you have documentation justifying a name change, you are good. Certainly, an official document (a marriage license) would be sufficient. And, you might not even need that if you have other documentation and proof. It is actually more flexible than you think.

Here is a quote from the bill:
Directs States to establish a process, subject to EAC guidance, for individuals to
register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents
(i.e. if the name on an individual’s ID and birth certificate do not match due to a
name change).

You realize this bolded means they can refuse to accept marriage licenses right?

You really believe they would do that? It is an official document.
Sounds like you really don't think voter ID is a good thing. I bet you support blanket mail in voting.

This administration is led by someone who came to political prominence by casting doubt on the sitting President’s official documents, so yes, I think they would do that.

What is “blanket mail in voting”? You mean like they have in Utah? What is wrong with that?

Some absentee ballots are not vetted properly. I am not familiar with how Utah does it, but I do know that there is quite a bit of proven voter fraud and it comes mostly from mail in voting. Most of the proof comes from local races, but it is not reasonable to think that it does not occur in state and federal races.

Eight states send ballots to every registered voter.
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/08/21/a-look-at-the-current-state-of-absentee-mail-in-voting-in-the-u-s/

People die. People move. Very easy to use someone else's ballot in some of these states.
Ballot harvesting is another issue where people gather ballots and turn them in.

Who do you think fills out the ballots in nursing homes?

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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

+1

Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.

That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?

My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.

It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.

My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.

Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.

Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.

Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?

Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.

This is not that hard.

. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…

Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.

. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.

Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.

Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.

I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.

Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.

And it might not matter if you did, because what this poster continues to refuse to grapple with is the fact that there’s absolutely nothing in the SAVE Act that says you can use your marriage license to show a name change.

There is a provision for discrepancies. A marriage license would resolve the discrepancy between names. (There are also other reasons people change names--even just not liking their name. Adoption would be another document that could apply. Really, if you have a document that explains the name change, there would not be a problem.)

This is your creative interpretation, because not one single word in the SAVE act says a marriage license is sufficient to show a name change. Women will be at the mercy of the same people posting videos saying they should not be allowed to vote in the first place.

You must really be desperate. because not one single word says that it cannot be used. There is a provision. They cannot possibly spell out every single issue--so if you have documentation justifying a name change, you are good. Certainly, an official document (a marriage license) would be sufficient. And, you might not even need that if you have other documentation and proof. It is actually more flexible than you think.

Here is a quote from the bill:
Directs States to establish a process, subject to EAC guidance, for individuals to
register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents
(i.e. if the name on an individual’s ID and birth certificate do not match due to a
name change).

You realize this bolded means they can refuse to accept marriage licenses right?

You really believe they would do that? It is an official document.
Sounds like you really don't think voter ID is a good thing. I bet you support blanket mail in voting.

This administration is led by someone who came to political prominence by casting doubt on the sitting President’s official documents, so yes, I think they would do that.

What is “blanket mail in voting”? You mean like they have in Utah? What is wrong with that?

Some absentee ballots are not vetted properly. I am not familiar with how Utah does it, but I do know that there is quite a bit of proven voter fraud and it comes mostly from mail in voting. Most of the proof comes from local races, but it is not reasonable to think that it does not occur in state and federal races.

Eight states send ballots to every registered voter.
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/08/21/a-look-at-the-current-state-of-absentee-mail-in-voting-in-the-u-s/

People die. People move. Very easy to use someone else's ballot in some of these states.
Ballot harvesting is another issue where people gather ballots and turn them in.

Who do you think fills out the ballots in nursing homes?

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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

+1

Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.

That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?

My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.

It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.

My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.

Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.

Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.

Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?

Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.

This is not that hard.

. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…

Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.

. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.

Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.

Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.

I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.

Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.

And it might not matter if you did, because what this poster continues to refuse to grapple with is the fact that there’s absolutely nothing in the SAVE Act that says you can use your marriage license to show a name change.

There is a provision for discrepancies. A marriage license would resolve the discrepancy between names. (There are also other reasons people change names--even just not liking their name. Adoption would be another document that could apply. Really, if you have a document that explains the name change, there would not be a problem.)

This is your creative interpretation, because not one single word in the SAVE act says a marriage license is sufficient to show a name change. Women will be at the mercy of the same people posting videos saying they should not be allowed to vote in the first place.

You must really be desperate. because not one single word says that it cannot be used. There is a provision. They cannot possibly spell out every single issue--so if you have documentation justifying a name change, you are good. Certainly, an official document (a marriage license) would be sufficient. And, you might not even need that if you have other documentation and proof. It is actually more flexible than you think.

Here is a quote from the bill:
Directs States to establish a process, subject to EAC guidance, for individuals to
register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents
(i.e. if the name on an individual’s ID and birth certificate do not match due to a
name change).

You realize this bolded means they can refuse to accept marriage licenses right?

You really believe they would do that? It is an official document.
Sounds like you really don't think voter ID is a good thing. I bet you support blanket mail in voting.

This administration is led by someone who came to political prominence by casting doubt on the sitting President’s official documents, so yes, I think they would do that.

What is “blanket mail in voting”? You mean like they have in Utah? What is wrong with that?

Some absentee ballots are not vetted properly. I am not familiar with how Utah does it, but I do know that there is quite a bit of proven voter fraud and it comes mostly from mail in voting. Most of the proof comes from local races, but it is not reasonable to think that it does not occur in state and federal races.

Eight states send ballots to every registered voter.
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/08/21/a-look-at-the-current-state-of-absentee-mail-in-voting-in-the-u-s/

People die. People move. Very easy to use someone else's ballot in some of these states.
Ballot harvesting is another issue where people gather ballots and turn them in.

Who do you think fills out the ballots in nursing homes?

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Anonymous wrote:Is the save act more of a detriment to Republicans or Democrats? Clearly the Republicans want it but won’t it damage them too?

How about you answer your own question.

Who is caterwauling about it every day?

Now you have your answer. Don't ask again.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

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Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.

That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?

My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.

It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.

My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.

Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.

Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.

Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?

Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.

This is not that hard.

. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…

Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.

. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.

Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.

Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.

I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.

Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.

And it might not matter if you did, because what this poster continues to refuse to grapple with is the fact that there’s absolutely nothing in the SAVE Act that says you can use your marriage license to show a name change.

There is a provision for discrepancies. A marriage license would resolve the discrepancy between names. (There are also other reasons people change names--even just not liking their name. Adoption would be another document that could apply. Really, if you have a document that explains the name change, there would not be a problem.)

This is your creative interpretation, because not one single word in the SAVE act says a marriage license is sufficient to show a name change. Women will be at the mercy of the same people posting videos saying they should not be allowed to vote in the first place.

You must really be desperate. because not one single word says that it cannot be used. There is a provision. They cannot possibly spell out every single issue--so if you have documentation justifying a name change, you are good. Certainly, an official document (a marriage license) would be sufficient. And, you might not even need that if you have other documentation and proof. It is actually more flexible than you think.

Here is a quote from the bill:
Directs States to establish a process, subject to EAC guidance, for individuals to
register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents
(i.e. if the name on an individual’s ID and birth certificate do not match due to a
name change).

You realize this bolded means they can refuse to accept marriage licenses right?

You really believe they would do that? It is an official document.
Sounds like you really don't think voter ID is a good thing. I bet you support blanket mail in voting.

This administration is led by someone who came to political prominence by casting doubt on the sitting President’s official documents, so yes, I think they would do that.

What is “blanket mail in voting”? You mean like they have in Utah? What is wrong with that?

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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

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Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.

That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?

My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.

It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.

My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.

Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.

Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.

Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?

Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.

This is not that hard.

. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…

Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.

. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.

Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.

Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.

I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.

Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.

And it might not matter if you did, because what this poster continues to refuse to grapple with is the fact that there’s absolutely nothing in the SAVE Act that says you can use your marriage license to show a name change.

There is a provision for discrepancies. A marriage license would resolve the discrepancy between names. (There are also other reasons people change names--even just not liking their name. Adoption would be another document that could apply. Really, if you have a document that explains the name change, there would not be a problem.)

This is your creative interpretation, because not one single word in the SAVE act says a marriage license is sufficient to show a name change. Women will be at the mercy of the same people posting videos saying they should not be allowed to vote in the first place.

You must really be desperate. because not one single word says that it cannot be used. There is a provision. They cannot possibly spell out every single issue--so if you have documentation justifying a name change, you are good. Certainly, an official document (a marriage license) would be sufficient. And, you might not even need that if you have other documentation and proof. It is actually more flexible than you think.

Here is a quote from the bill:
Directs States to establish a process, subject to EAC guidance, for individuals to
register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents
(i.e. if the name on an individual’s ID and birth certificate do not match due to a
name change).

You realize this bolded means they can refuse to accept marriage licenses right?

You really believe they would do that? It is an official document.
Sounds like you really don't think voter ID is a good thing. I bet you support blanket mail in voting.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the save act more of a detriment to Republicans or Democrats? Clearly the Republicans want it but won’t it damage them too?

The only people it will damage are those who are voting illegally.

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Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.

+1

Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?

When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.

States have an office of vital records.

Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.

Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.

We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.

Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.

That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?

My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.

It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.

My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.

Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.

Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.

Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?

Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.

This is not that hard.

. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…

Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.

. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.

Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.

Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.

I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.

Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.

And it might not matter if you did, because what this poster continues to refuse to grapple with is the fact that there’s absolutely nothing in the SAVE Act that says you can use your marriage license to show a name change.

There is a provision for discrepancies. A marriage license would resolve the discrepancy between names. (There are also other reasons people change names--even just not liking their name. Adoption would be another document that could apply. Really, if you have a document that explains the name change, there would not be a problem.)

This is your creative interpretation, because not one single word in the SAVE act says a marriage license is sufficient to show a name change. Women will be at the mercy of the same people posting videos saying they should not be allowed to vote in the first place.

You must really be desperate. because not one single word says that it cannot be used. There is a provision. They cannot possibly spell out every single issue--so if you have documentation justifying a name change, you are good. Certainly, an official document (a marriage license) would be sufficient. And, you might not even need that if you have other documentation and proof. It is actually more flexible than you think.

Here is a quote from the bill:
Directs States to establish a process, subject to EAC guidance, for individuals to
register to vote if there are discrepancies in their proof of citizenship documents
(i.e. if the name on an individual’s ID and birth certificate do not match due to a
name change).

You realize this bolded means they can refuse to accept marriage licenses right?

You really believe they would do that? It is an official document.
Sounds like you really don't think voter ID is a good thing. I bet you support blanket mail in voting.