Anonymous wrote:Idk if this was covered already given we’re at 67 pages and counting, but anyone know if there were any recent major changes impacting the Ballston area in Arlington? We never noticed planes consistently flying overhead until the past 2-3 months ago. Nothing like the Palisades but we went from silence to definitely there.

Are you referring to departures to the north or arrivals to the south?

Idk if this was covered already given we’re at 67 pages and counting, but anyone know if there were any recent major changes impacting the Ballston area in Arlington? We never noticed planes consistently flying overhead until the past 2-3 months ago. Nothing like the Palisades but we went from silence to definitely there.

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Anonymous wrote:The smartest thing that came out of the working group recently was an acknowledgment last Thursday that the Potomac river north of the airport is just too narrow to provide any noise abatement.

Area residents know it already.

Those on the Working Group who who pushed the flight path towards Bethesda in 2021 aka towards the river had only one goal in mind - to move it further away from their own house.

They did it knowing that it would increase the noise for Bethesda when they asked the FAA for an early turn to the west at low altitudes. Airplanes turning require more thrust. Therefore more noise. Residents of Glen Echo were never told that a new waypoint was placed over their neighborhood.

Glen Echo is bad especially after the changes in departures in 2021.

Anonymous wrote:On the positive note, it appears that perhaps the FAA is finally listening to foxhall and palisades residents by not bombarding them with constant departures to the north. We have had many nice days recently with approaches from the north instead, like today. Keep it up!

Spring is typically bad with more departures to the north. I can't wait for summer.

On the positive note, it appears that perhaps the FAA is finally listening to foxhall and palisades residents by not bombarding them with constant departures to the north. We have had many nice days recently with approaches from the north instead, like today. Keep it up!

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Foxhall is tolerable to you relatively speaking. It is objectively a nightmare, an absolute unhealthy abomination of a living environment

Cleveland Park is great, and Woodley Park is guaranteed no planes fantastic spot to live

It depends where, so let’s be accurate when we post here otherwise this thread becomes confusing and hard to digest .

Regarding Foxhall:

Up by Loughboro it’s pretty ok. I’m talking Wesley Heights, Kent, and then crossing into Spring Valley — these are ok. Lower Foxhall like Berkeley, neighborhoods surrounding GW campus whatever that’s called — that’s when you run into issues. Then when you get to Palisades it truly is “an abomination of a living environment” as you describe. Honestly an understatement.

Maybe Foxhall is tolerable to you relatively speaking. It is objectively a nightmare, an absolute unhealthy abomination of a living environment

Cleveland Park is great, and Woodley Park is guaranteed no planes fantastic spot to live

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on so long. Yes you paid a lot for your house. No that doesn't entitle you to quiet airspace.

It does in the prohibited flight zone of which there’s a fat beautiful one in the nicest NW. Also EOTP not bad.

Everything else is a losing battle. Just a matter of time before it’s priced into the real estate

Actually, parts of Foxhall are pretty bad. Not Palisades level bad, which is a living hell, but enough to disturb some people.

Thank you for saying it. Couldn’t have said it better myself

+1. Essentially it gets worse the closer you get to Palisades. We used to live right by GW’s Mount Vernon campus. It was very, very bad. We moved up Foxhall closer to Loughboro and you do still hear it more than other parts of the city like Cleveland Park for example, but it’s tolerable here.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on so long. Yes you paid a lot for your house. No that doesn't entitle you to quiet airspace.

It does in the prohibited flight zone of which there’s a fat beautiful one in the nicest NW. Also EOTP not bad.

Everything else is a losing battle. Just a matter of time before it’s priced into the real estate

Actually, parts of Foxhall are pretty bad. Not Palisades level bad, which is a living hell, but enough to disturb some people.

Thank you for saying it. Couldn’t have said it better myself

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Anonymous wrote:The smartest thing that came out of the working group recently was an acknowledgment last Thursday that the Potomac river north of the airport is just too narrow to provide any noise abatement.

Area residents know it already.

Those on the Working Group who who pushed the flight path towards Bethesda in 2021 aka towards the river had only one goal in mind - to move it further away from their own house.

They did it knowing that it would increase the noise for Bethesda when they asked the FAA for an early turn to the west at low altitudes. Airplanes turning require more thrust. Therefore more noise. Residents of Glen Echo were never told that a new waypoint was placed over their neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on so long. Yes you paid a lot for your house. No that doesn't entitle you to quiet airspace.

It does in the prohibited flight zone of which there’s a fat beautiful one in the nicest NW. Also EOTP not bad.

Everything else is a losing battle. Just a matter of time before it’s priced into the real estate

Actually, parts of Foxhall are pretty bad. Not Palisades level bad, which is a living hell, but enough to disturb some people.

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone on so long. Yes you paid a lot for your house. No that doesn't entitle you to quiet airspace.

It does in the prohibited flight zone of which there’s a fat beautiful one in the nicest NW. Also EOTP not bad.

Everything else is a losing battle. Just a matter of time before it’s priced into the real estate

Anonymous wrote:The smartest thing that came out of the working group recently was an acknowledgment last Thursday that the Potomac river north of the airport is just too narrow to provide any noise abatement.

Area residents know it already.

Those on the Working Group who who pushed the flight path towards Bethesda in 2021 aka towards the river had only one goal in mind - to move it further away from their own house.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w34431

" A one-decibel increase in annual day-night average sound level reduces house prices by 0.6 to 1.0 percent."

Anonymous wrote:The smartest thing that came out of the working group recently was an acknowledgment last Thursday that the Potomac river north of the airport is just too narrow to provide any noise abatement.

Now, will this comment make it to the minutes from the meeting? We'll find out soon.