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Anonymous wrote:In his tweet this morning claiming that the dossier was proven to be false, Trump referenced the One American News Network, http://www.oann.com/

OANN was a partnership of Herring Networks and The Washington Times but is now a stand-alone entity in about 15 million homes.

I guess this is the type of news organization we will have to come to be familiar with for our future truth panels.

Oh and of course, Corey Lewandowski just signed a contract with this platform.

A little more http://www.mediaite.com/online/trumps-all-caps-oann-tweet-may-be-his-most-telling-yet-and-no-one-seems-to-care/

Anonymous wrote:NOw the german breitbart site and the alt right nationalists sites are attacking Merkel. The final stages of Putin undermining Western hegemony are on the verge of completion.

So first dissolve the US

Then dissolve EU

World domination!

NOw the german breitbart site and the alt right nationalists sites are attacking Merkel. The final stages of Putin undermining Western hegemony are on the verge of completion.

Anonymous wrote:Evan McMullin is my new crush. He is fearless and honest.
I am glad he is in Congress at this time. I wish he were President.

McMullin is not in Congress. He resigned his staff position:

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Anonymous wrote:Interview with Steele.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/spy-who-wrote-trump-russia-memos-it-was-hair-raising-stuff

This is unbelievable. Why did Comey not brig this to anyone's attention? We laughed at Reid's comment. What will we do when we actually see the blackmail evidence. This election cannot be reversed and we are coronating a traitor a week from now!

Good question! From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-dossier-file-investigation-hacking-christopher-steele-mi6-a7526901.html

"Mr Steele also decided to pass on information to both British and American intelligence officials after concluding that such material should not just be in the hands of political opponents of Mr Trump, who had hired his services, but was a matter of national security for both countries.

However, say security sources, Mr Steele became increasingly frustrated that the FBI was failing to take action on the intelligence from others as well as him. He came to believe there was a cover-up, that a cabal within the Bureau blocked a thorough inquiry into Mr Trump, focusing instead on the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails. "

The entire article is a good read, but that quote somewhat answers your question.

McMullin retweeted that article as well. Is he a Lefty?

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Anonymous wrote:Interview with Steele.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/spy-who-wrote-trump-russia-memos-it-was-hair-raising-stuff

This is unbelievable. Why did Comey not brig this to anyone's attention? We laughed at Reid's comment. What will we do when we actually see the blackmail evidence. This election cannot be reversed and we are coronating a traitor a week from now!

Good question! From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-dossier-file-investigation-hacking-christopher-steele-mi6-a7526901.html

"Mr Steele also decided to pass on information to both British and American intelligence officials after concluding that such material should not just be in the hands of political opponents of Mr Trump, who had hired his services, but was a matter of national security for both countries.

However, say security sources, Mr Steele became increasingly frustrated that the FBI was failing to take action on the intelligence from others as well as him. He came to believe there was a cover-up, that a cabal within the Bureau blocked a thorough inquiry into Mr Trump, focusing instead on the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails. "

The entire article is a good read, but that quote somewhat answers your question.

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Pretty sure you're talking about what folks like me call "establishment liberals" or many youngsters simply and bitterly call "liberals". We find it not at all surprising that you all are joining with the intelligence community and the powerful against a legitimately elected President. Realize that if the evidence is flimsy, and at present it would be charitable to even call the hacking evidence "circumstantial", using these bodies in this way actually makes Trump look better. As someone who hopes to challenge the noxious parts of his platform, I do not want him in that position.

Since this was all in response to an assumption that a previous poster had a narrow worldview and needed to read more widely, I'll share two pieces I'd consider both "lefty" and the first piece is massively more detailed and a better source on the 'hacking' than anything I've seen in what I'd call an "establishment liberal" outlet, like WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, BuzzFeed, etc., though piece number 2 uses a writer whose main job is at Harpers.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/13/did-the-russians-really-hack-the-dnc/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/13/the-russian-dossier-reminds-me-of-the-row-over-saddams-wmds/

If you think you know of something more convincing that supports the accusations of disturbing issues around Trump and Russia, I'd be very grateful if you shared them.

Different PP. I appreciate your sharing these sources and alternative viewpoints. My take on them is that they amount to an attempt to find holes in the information that has been provided to the public thus far. This is an important thing to do, and I hope people continue to do it. But to suggest that these are definitive evidence that the claims that Russia is behind the hacks or that the information compromising Trump is a complete overstatement. I think the articles go too far (or at least as far as the people they are criticizing) in ascribing motivation to the IC and Obama Administration to completely fabricate this information or to be overly quick to blame Russia. The article casting doubt on the dossier is even more ludicrous, since it mostly amounts to a journalist arguing that a former MI6 agent's information must be suspect because he was unable to get similar information from credible sources. Again, no one has said that every thing in that dossier is true...but there is a suggestion that enough of it could be true to warrant further investigation. The nature of espionage is that you are going to get a lot of half-truths and fabrications, but they are clues about where to investigate further. Steele did not dump those memos into the public sphere, he gave them to investigative and law enforcement agencies for further follow up.

The reality is that the general public has only been made aware of a portion of the information the IC has. It's not surprising to me that the information that they've shared so far is not definitive, because it's the unclassified portion of what they've shared. Nothing in the links you've shared points to an alternative, more plausible culprit. It just states that the evidence is not enough to "convict" Russia...which I think most reasonable lefties believe to be the case.

It's notable that Counterpunch is raising alarms that blaming Russia could lead to a new Cold War, which suggests that they have a concrete motive in casting doubt on these accusations. If you ask me, Russia's behavior over the past few years seems to be angling for a new Cold War, and I agree that if they are indeed found to be behind these activities it could start one. I'm certainly not in favor of that outcome, but I'm also not in favor of dismissing information and conclusions out-of-hand just to avoid it either.

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A lot of smart lefties include those well versed and well regarded on Russia, tech, intel, and natsec. The group hyping this stuff as treason are almost entirely close to 'the establishment', a small minority with a lot to loo$e from a Trump Presidency. I leave this at that.

Cite? Otherwise this is as baseless as you are arguing the allegations against Trump are.

Answered with two Counterpunch links in the previous post. You're welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:The buck stops with Obama. He's still the President. EVERYTHING the left is complaining about happened, and is continuing to happen, on Obama's watch.

So your position is if Trump and his team and possibly even members of IC colluded in treason with Russia its Obamas fault because it happened during his tenure. Got it!!!

That you even believe that there was a big conspiracy in the Trump campaign and the IC to collide with Russia to win the election is laughable. You guys are the new Truthers

If you read something other than Pravda, Breitbart and OANN, you might have a broader base of information from which to draw your world view.

Smart folks get that all struggle with getting too narrow a view. Lots of smart lefties see this as hype, too, so don't assume you aren't the 'low information' peep.

I think a lot of smart lefties are in denial. I can't blame them. The notion that a candidate, campaign, or party might have worked with a foreign government to undermine an election is horrifying.

Smart lefties see evidence, not "hype". And the evidence is not favoring Donald Trump. Is it currently "beyond a reasonable doubt", the standard for criminal conviction? No. Is it at the "credible and worthy of further investigation?" level. Most definitely yes.

Pretty sure you're talking about what folks like me call "establishment liberals" or many youngsters simply and bitterly call "liberals". We find it not at all surprising that you all are joining with the intelligence community and the powerful against a legitimately elected President. Realize that if the evidence is flimsy, and at present it would be charitable to even call the hacking evidence "circumstantial", using these bodies in this way actually makes Trump look better. As someone who hopes to challenge the noxious parts of his platform, I do not want him in that position.

Since this was all in response to an assumption that a previous poster had a narrow worldview and needed to read more widely, I'll share two pieces I'd consider both "lefty" and the first piece is massively more detailed and a better source on the 'hacking' than anything I've seen in what I'd call an "establishment liberal" outlet, like WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, BuzzFeed, etc., though piece number 2 uses a writer whose main job is at Harpers.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/13/did-the-russians-really-hack-the-dnc/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/13/the-russian-dossier-reminds-me-of-the-row-over-saddams-wmds/


If you think you know of something more convincing that supports the accusations of disturbing issues around Trump and Russia, I'd be very grateful if you shared them.

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A lot of smart lefties include those well versed and well regarded on Russia, tech, intel, and natsec. The group hyping this stuff as treason are almost entirely close to 'the establishment', a small minority with a lot to loo$e from a Trump Presidency. I leave this at that.

Cite? Otherwise this is as baseless as you are arguing the allegations against Trump are.

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Anonymous wrote:The buck stops with Obama. He's still the President. EVERYTHING the left is complaining about happened, and is continuing to happen, on Obama's watch.

So your position is if Trump and his team and possibly even members of IC colluded in treason with Russia its Obamas fault because it happened during his tenure. Got it!!!

That you even believe that there was a big conspiracy in the Trump campaign and the IC to collide with Russia to win the election is laughable. You guys are the new Truthers

If you read something other than Pravda, Breitbart and OANN, you might have a broader base of information from which to draw your world view.

Smart folks get that all struggle with getting too narrow a view. Lots of smart lefties see this as hype, too, so don't assume you aren't the 'low information' peep.

I think a lot of smart lefties are in denial. I can't blame them. The notion that a candidate, campaign, or party might have worked with a foreign government to undermine an election is horrifying.

Smart lefties see evidence, not "hype". And the evidence is not favoring Donald Trump. Is it currently "beyond a reasonable doubt", the standard for criminal conviction? No. Is it at the "credible and worthy of further investigation?" level. Most definitely yes.

Anonymous wrote:A married Donald Trump supposedly invited a Hungarian beauty queen to his hotel room after attending the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow, according to a newly unearthed interview that has surfaced amid the publication of an unverified dossier alleging that the President-elect engaged in "perverted" sexual acts during the very same trip.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ex-miss-hungary-claims-trump-invited-moscow-hotel-room-article-1.2946256

I don't think anyone doubts this is true. The balance of probabilities makes it very likely true.

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Anonymous wrote:The buck stops with Obama. He's still the President. EVERYTHING the left is complaining about happened, and is continuing to happen, on Obama's watch.

So your position is if Trump and his team and possibly even members of IC colluded in treason with Russia its Obamas fault because it happened during his tenure. Got it!!!

That you even believe that there was a big conspiracy in the Trump campaign and the IC to collide with Russia to win the election is laughable. You guys are the new Truthers

If you read something other than Pravda, Breitbart and OANN, you might have a broader base of information from which to draw your world view.

Smart folks get that all struggle with getting too narrow a view. Lots of smart lefties see this as hype, too, so don't assume you aren't the 'low information' peep.

I think a lot of smart lefties are in denial. I can't blame them. The notion that a candidate, campaign, or party might have worked with a foreign government to undermine an election is horrifying.

A lot of smart lefties include those well versed and well regarded on Russia, tech, intel, and natsec. The group hyping this stuff as treason are almost entirely close to 'the establishment', a small minority with a lot to loo$e from a Trump Presidency. I leave this at that.

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Anonymous wrote:The buck stops with Obama. He's still the President. EVERYTHING the left is complaining about happened, and is continuing to happen, on Obama's watch.

So your position is if Trump and his team and possibly even members of IC colluded in treason with Russia its Obamas fault because it happened during his tenure. Got it!!!

That you even believe that there was a big conspiracy in the Trump campaign and the IC to collide with Russia to win the election is laughable. You guys are the new Truthers

If you read something other than Pravda, Breitbart and OANN, you might have a broader base of information from which to draw your world view.

Smart folks get that all struggle with getting too narrow a view. Lots of smart lefties see this as hype, too, so don't assume you aren't the 'low information' peep.

I think a lot of smart lefties are in denial. I can't blame them. The notion that a candidate, campaign, or party might have worked with a foreign government to undermine an election is horrifying.

A married Donald Trump supposedly invited a Hungarian beauty queen to his hotel room after attending the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow, according to a newly unearthed interview that has surfaced amid the publication of an unverified dossier alleging that the President-elect engaged in "perverted" sexual acts during the very same trip.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ex-miss-hungary-claims-trump-invited-moscow-hotel-room-article-1.2946256