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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating the Bull Run split feeder and sending all those kids to Westfield makes the most sense given the number of Westfield kids who’ll be moving to Skyview. The idea of moving Lees Corner to Westfield when it’s so close to Chantilly was always odd, and it’s good that several School Board members seem to recognize that. It’s unfortunate that an out-of-town consultant came up with a bizarre proposal, but that’s been a recurring problem with the consultants hired by Reid.

The whole process is ridiculous. Two different non-local, befuddled consultant groups, five "drafty drafts" with at least two more to come, decisions based on which neighborhood has more political sway or gets in front of Reid first or has a Gatehouse "plant" or gets the most people to a meeting...

Other counties just set new boundaries
for new schools and move on. There aren't 100 pages of people arguing every time Loudoun builds a new school.

Anonymous wrote:Eliminating the Bull Run split feeder and sending all those kids to Westfield makes the most sense given the number of Westfield kids who’ll be moving to Skyview. The idea of moving Lees Corner to Westfield when it’s so close to Chantilly was always odd, and it’s good that several School Board members seem to recognize that. It’s unfortunate that an out-of-town consultant came up with a bizarre proposal, but that’s been a recurring problem with the consultants hired by Reid.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

It is 100% a lie. No one is walking the 1.5+ miles down West Ox and McLearen and crossing Centreville Rd to get to Carson. The sidewalk from Carson doesn't even connect to Centreville Rd because they know no one walks that way. FCPS does have rules about crossing certain roads - my own neighborhood is directly across the street from our school and the kids that can see the school from their front door aren't allowed to be walkers because the road is too dangerous to cross.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

Apparently consultants don't agree with you.
This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

There is currently a whole lot more new construction in Oakton than in Reston. Much, much more available this summer and ongoing very near Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating the Bull Run split feeder and sending all those kids to Westfield makes the most sense given the number of Westfield kids who’ll be moving to Skyview. The idea of moving Lees Corner to Westfield when it’s so close to Chantilly was always odd, and it’s good that several School Board members seem to recognize that. It’s unfortunate that an out-of-town consultant came up with a bizarre proposal, but that’s been a recurring problem with the consultants hired by Reid.

Curious. Why is there that chunk pulled out of Bull Run along rt 29? It looks really odd on the map. But, it proves that Bull Run is very close to Westfield neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

An entire elementary school boundary is not a small pocket.

It's a relatively small area and would be close to an attendance island but for a small contiguous area. No one could look at this and say it's the product of a sound boundary review.

A lot of posters on here thought it made sense, and the consultants put it in on several different options, so.....

It was the closest in distance full elementary school zone to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield, so of course it made sense. You don't like it, but you certainly can understand how it makes logical sense.

YUP. Stop making a fool of yourself, lees corner lady. You got your promise from the wimpy SB member, but many of us thought it made perfect sense to send your school over to Westfield. Shrug.

I'm not a Lees Corner parent, but the two of you sound ridiculous, and it is very clear to the rest of us that you're upset because if Lees Corner doesn't get rezoned to Westfield, your local elementary school might be the one that goes there. As many people have said over and over again, you can advocate for your own children without dumping on other families. I'm CONFIDENT that if you lived in the Lees Corner area, you would advocating for your children to stay zoned to Chantilly, too. You need to stop embarrassing yourselves. *

*I'm also not convinced that you're not just one person sock puppeting, but even if there are multiples of you, just stick to advocating for your own kids and leave the Lees Corner families alone. The only people making fools of themselves are you with your jealousy and hatred.

Anonymous wrote:Eliminating the Bull Run split feeder and sending all those kids to Westfield makes the most sense given the number of Westfield kids who’ll be moving to Skyview. The idea of moving Lees Corner to Westfield when it’s so close to Chantilly was always odd, and it’s good that several School Board members seem to recognize that. It’s unfortunate that an out-of-town consultant came up with a bizarre proposal, but that’s been a recurring problem with the consultants hired by Reid.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

Just to be clear: PP is speaking about the closest Fox Mill kids.

Three neighborhoods have some kids that are less than one mile from Carson: Discovery Square (Floris) and Highland Mews and Chantilly Highlands. (Oak Hill)

There are also a few Floris neighborhoods by the school that are less than a mile.

I’m 100% for Fox Mill going to Skyview but very very few houses fit in the 1.5 mile “walking” distance from Carson. It’s like 20 houses at most.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

I still advocate for sending Lees Corner Chantilly walkers to Rocky Run and Chantilly, and the Lees Corner bus riders to Chantilly, who probably walk to Franklin, to Skyview.

Why on earth would you advocate for splitting up Lees Corner? That's the dumbest thing I've heard so far.

Because making high school boundary decisions by elementary is stupid and doesn't work in this part of town.

So, instead of a whole elementary school being geographically and socially isolated from the rest of Westfield, you will take a much smaller portion? How generous of you.

Are you that crazy Lees Corner mom? Get over yourself. You can't make boundary decisions exclusively by elementary in this part of the county. That's why there's been hundreds of pages written about this with people going in circles. The math doesn't math. My idea was a Franklin/Skyview feeder for the kids closest to Skyview, and a Rocky Run/Chantilly feeder for the kids closest to Chantilly. Yes, I think that's generous. We could just send you all to Westfield.

Not a Lee's Corner resident. Just a nearby resident who understands the area. Why would you isolate kids like that? Have you ever had a high school student?

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

I still advocate for sending Lees Corner Chantilly walkers to Rocky Run and Chantilly, and the Lees Corner bus riders to Chantilly, who probably walk to Franklin, to Skyview.

Why on earth would you advocate for splitting up Lees Corner? That's the dumbest thing I've heard so far.

Because making high school boundary decisions by elementary is stupid and doesn't work in this part of town.

Anonymous wrote:All of the Centreville kids live farther-some miles farther away-from Westfield than the Chantilly kids. That doesn't seem cleaner and more sensible to me, especially if these are lower income families with fewer resources. And of course kids who live in Centreville want to attend Centreville HS. (Fcps always gives the town of Vienna whatever they want with zoning Vienna kids).

I didn't realize Westfield was so unpalatable to Chantilly families before this. The schools are so close to each other!

If Westfield is that bad compared to the other school right down the road in the same town, it needs some attention from fcps and population rebalancing with nearby schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

An entire elementary school boundary is not a small pocket.

It's a relatively small area and would be close to an attendance island but for a small contiguous area. No one could look at this and say it's the product of a sound boundary review.

A lot of posters on here thought it made sense, and the consultants put it in on several different options, so.....

It was the closest in distance full elementary school zone to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield, so of course it made sense. You don't like it, but you certainly can understand how it makes logical sense.

YUP. Stop making a fool of yourself, lees corner lady. You got your promise from the wimpy SB member, but many of us thought it made perfect sense to send your school over to Westfield. Shrug.