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Anonymous wrote:Why does this have to be black or white?
Both sides were in the wrong here.
Obviously, the ICE officer who fired the shots is way more in the wrong and should be charged.
But, given the decedent’s wife was on the sidewalk ready to film, this is looking less like a “milk run” and more like baiting. She did not deserve to die, but why mess with it?

You're correct to an extent but professional law enforcement officers are responsible and accountable in a different way than citizens doing stupid things on city streets. There is no such thing as 50/50 accountability when a sworn in officer shoots and kills a citizen. It's either a justified act or it isn't. 98% of LEOs will tell you this was not a justified use of deadly force.

I agree with that. But I also believe that there needs to be some accountability by highly visible people who are out there encouraging others, either directly or by implication, to go and impede law enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:Several videos show this was actually not self defense, as she was driving away.

I saw a video, she started driving forward with an officer in front of her.

I wonder if she was not aware of the officer approaching the front because she was paying attention to the officer near the side door.
The officer approaching the front should never have been there.

This. Also are they ICE or carjackers? Who knows. Same types of masks.

Shouldn't the MAGA supporting law enforcement also be upset with the poor training given to ICE? Basics 101, don't put yourself in front of a moving vehicle. They don't care about poor training putting ICE agents at risk?

She obviously knew they were ICE agents…she was there to protest, not randomly passing by, right?

A tragedy, but there’s no need to hypothesize outside of the known facts.

Ok and why did the ICE agent position themselves to the front of a car? Law enforcement 101 here, this was not the way this should be handled. They are a federal agent yet get less training than an average police officer, which means our own government does not care about putting them at risk through poor training.

I have worked with security through being a nurse when we handle out of control patients. Some are absolutely amazing. And some are so horrible I actually kicked one of the unit because he was so cocky it made the situation even more unsafe.

Training and a cool head matters. This ICE agent was clearly lacking both.

For all you all defending ICE, please read this article, sourced and with blown up images

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html?smid=url-share

Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

“Acted in haste”!
Nothing about this tragedy looks remotely like a law enforcement action. From the moment the second vehicle stopped and the two masked banditos got out until the moment the medics were permitted to approach her, the event was a cascading snowball of things law enforcement should never do.

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Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

LMAO, boy they’re really trying to roll this talking point out pretty hard. Thank God there are observers there like the victim to document their activities. Otherwise people would be likely to believe this kind of nonsense.

Anyone who can't clearly see this officer being clear of vehicle and no longer in harm's way when he discharged his weapon 3 times directly at the driver's head is a complete and utter idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is what actually occurred

Actually...THIS is what occurred

I don't see any ICE agents being threatened there, do you?

Straight up murder

Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

The clearly untrained ICE officer murdered her. Video doesn't lie. Trump and Noem do.

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Anonymous wrote:She was never going to ram someone

I don't think she was intentionally trying to ram someone, but she could have easily hit the officer who was in front of her car.

She did hit him. He had to go to the hospital after.

She was trying to escape and didn't care if anybody got run over. Use of deadly force is legally justified if the LEO feels he/she is in an imminent threat of substantial bodily injury or death.

She died more of a hero than those ice officers could ever dream to be. These guys have to know that their jobs as pedophile protection officers can’t last forever

Anonymous wrote:Why does this have to be black or white?
Both sides were in the wrong here.
Obviously, the ICE officer who fired the shots is way more in the wrong and should be charged.
But, given the decedent’s wife was on the sidewalk ready to film, this is looking less like a “milk run” and more like baiting. She did not deserve to die, but why mess with it?

If both of them were shot in the face and died, you might have a point.

Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

I suspect this might be where a court lands.

An ex-FBI agent provided analysis on CNN, underscoring there is law, policy, and judgment that ultimately come into play here, and the multiple videos from different angles could go either way—meaning there’s no clear evidence other than the end result: a tragic incident.

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Anonymous wrote:She was never going to ram someone

I don't think she was intentionally trying to ram someone, but she could have easily hit the officer who was in front of her car.

She did hit him. He had to go to the hospital after.

She was trying to escape and didn't care if anybody got run over. Use of deadly force is legally justified if the LEO feels he/she is in an imminent threat of substantial bodily injury or death.

She died more of a hero than those ice officers could ever dream to be. These guys have to know that their jobs as pedophile protection officers can’t last forever

Anonymous wrote:The officer acted in haste (not the same as murder) But choosing to block police officers and then speeding off in a 2-ton vehicle with officers at your bumper to avoid arrest is irrational. She rolled the dice. Sadly she died.

LMAO, boy they’re really trying to roll this talking point out pretty hard. Thank God there are observers there like the victim to document their activities. Otherwise people would be likely to believe this kind of nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Im willing to bet that person is a citizen

She staged her wife outside the vehicle, on the sidewalk, with plans for the wife to make a TikTok video of her blocking ICE.

That is why she was there.

FAFO.

She was a parent.

What sane, normal, parent does something like that?!?!

Unfortunately, some loudmouths are out there saying nothing ICE does is justified and there is nothing for citizens to do but get in their way and stop them.

Not saying there aren’t big problems with ICE. What happened yesterday is completely senseless and seems to come from either lack of training, hiring people who are already too riled up, trigger happy, and shouldn’t be in law enforcement. The officer who fired the shots was in front of the vehicle, and should never have been there.

Actually, it comes from people like you enabling these thugs. You’re the problem.

The lack of law enforcement during the Biden administration is precisely why we ended up with Trump.
We do need law enforcement, but they clearly need to pass a higher bar or get better training.
That does not mean that US citizens are free to obstruct as they wish, just because some agents are making poor decisions.
I hope the officer who fired the shots is charged, and I also hope that both ICE and citizens will behave better while law enforcement is being carried out.

Are you people incapable of saying anything that isn’t a propaganda talking point? You sound like a pre-programmed NPC.

You, and people like you, are the problem in this country. You’re pathetic.

Do you really believe that mass illegal immigration and abuse of parole authority was NOT a major factor in Trump getting elected?? Get your head out of the sand. I want progress. I want all citizens to have healthcare and a good quality of life. That is unlikely to happen with republicans in charge, but good luck getting Dems in with this kind of denial of reality.

Anonymous wrote:Why does this have to be black or white?
Both sides were in the wrong here.
Obviously, the ICE officer who fired the shots is way more in the wrong and should be charged.
But, given the decedent’s wife was on the sidewalk ready to film, this is looking less like a “milk run” and more like baiting. She did not deserve to die, but why mess with it?

You're correct to an extent but professional law enforcement officers are responsible and accountable in a different way than citizens doing stupid things on city streets. There is no such thing as 50/50 accountability when a sworn in officer shoots and kills a citizen. It's either a justified act or it isn't. 98% of LEOs will tell you this was not a justified use of deadly force.

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Anonymous wrote:Several videos show this was actually not self defense, as she was driving away.

I saw a video, she started driving forward with an officer in front of her.

I wonder if she was not aware of the officer approaching the front because she was paying attention to the officer near the side door.
The officer approaching the front should never have been there.

This. Also are they ICE or carjackers? Who knows. Same types of masks.

Shouldn't the MAGA supporting law enforcement also be upset with the poor training given to ICE? Basics 101, don't put yourself in front of a moving vehicle. They don't care about poor training putting ICE agents at risk?

She obviously knew they were ICE agents…she was there to protest, not randomly passing by, right?

A tragedy, but there’s no need to hypothesize outside of the known facts.

Just because ICE are in the area doesn’t mean kidnappers and carjackers can’t also be attacking you.

They certainly were acting like thugs, not liked trained police.