Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 14:27     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:What's the best way to strip out the nonsense factors and build your own ranking using US News and maybe WSJ data?

I only care about first year experience, teaching quality (teacher-student ratios should factor into this), internships and job placements, and ROI (based on full cost of attendance, not their average cost).


Use the NY Times ranking where you pick what is important for you.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 14:26     Subject: Re:2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it's wonderful that colleges are generous with money and Pell Grants for those in need of financial assistance. I don't see how that factor makes a school more academically superior to any other school.


Yes, very difficult to understand.

School A admits the top 5% of applicants but cherry picks the kids who can pay the most. Student body is very smart but mostly UMC+. No class mobility. Not a huge measurable difference in outcomes.

School B admits the top 5% of applicants and is also need aware and makes a special effort to find students across all socioeconomic categories, including the poor. Student body is not mostly UMC. Substantial class mobility, the school makes a measurable difference in outcomes.

Who can possibly solve the puzzle of “which school is better?”



School B is better.


That's only half the answer. School B is better for low SES kids. School A is better for high SES kids.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 14:25     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
What's the best way to strip out the nonsense factors and build your own ranking using US News and maybe WSJ data?

I only care about first year experience, teaching quality (teacher-student ratios should factor into this), internships and job placements, and ROI (based on full cost of attendance, not their average cost).
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 13:36     Subject: Re:2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it's wonderful that colleges are generous with money and Pell Grants for those in need of financial assistance. I don't see how that factor makes a school more academically superior to any other school.


Yes, very difficult to understand.

School A admits the top 5% of applicants but cherry picks the kids who can pay the most. Student body is very smart but mostly UMC+. No class mobility. Not a huge measurable difference in outcomes.

School B admits the top 5% of applicants and is also need aware and makes a special effort to find students across all socioeconomic categories, including the poor. Student body is not mostly UMC. Substantial class mobility, the school makes a measurable difference in outcomes.

Who can possibly solve the puzzle of “which school is better?”



School B is better.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 13:06     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:U.S. News’ Rankings Not the ‘Behemoth’ Perceived

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/admissions/2023/09/13/us-news-not-behemoth-one-might-think


lol ok but everyone refers to it


Lol, don’t you mean only DCUMers refer to it?


Baloney. Schools are putting out press releases about it. That means they care. You’re delusional.


Unfortunately US News still has oversized influence for parents and students when they research colleges, and dictates perceived value of the school
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 07:43     Subject: Re:2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:I think it's wonderful that colleges are generous with money and Pell Grants for those in need of financial assistance. I don't see how that factor makes a school more academically superior to any other school.


Yes, very difficult to understand.

School A admits the top 5% of applicants but cherry picks the kids who can pay the most. Student body is very smart but mostly UMC+. No class mobility. Not a huge measurable difference in outcomes.

School B admits the top 5% of applicants and is also need aware and makes a special effort to find students across all socioeconomic categories, including the poor. Student body is not mostly UMC. Substantial class mobility, the school makes a measurable difference in outcomes.

Who can possibly solve the puzzle of “which school is better?”

Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 06:57     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:U.S. News’ Rankings Not the ‘Behemoth’ Perceived

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/admissions/2023/09/13/us-news-not-behemoth-one-might-think


lol ok but everyone refers to it


Lol, don’t you mean only DCUMers refer to it?


Baloney. Schools are putting out press releases about it. That means they care. You’re delusional.


I didn’t do the study nor write the article. A (very) few schools wrote about it. So stop, smoking whatever you’re so smoking so early in the morning and get a life
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 06:50     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:U.S. News’ Rankings Not the ‘Behemoth’ Perceived

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/admissions/2023/09/13/us-news-not-behemoth-one-might-think


lol ok but everyone refers to it


Lol, don’t you mean only DCUMers refer to it?


Baloney. Schools are putting out press releases about it. That means they care. You’re delusional.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 02:39     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:U.S. News’ Rankings Not the ‘Behemoth’ Perceived

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/admissions/2023/09/13/us-news-not-behemoth-one-might-think


lol ok but everyone refers to it


Lol, don’t you mean only DCUMers refer to it?
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 02:33     Subject: Re:2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:I think it's wonderful that colleges are generous with money and Pell Grants for those in need of financial assistance. I don't see how that factor makes a school more academically superior to any other school.



But that's the entire issue with the new rankings. The intent is no loner to measure the academic merit of a school, but rather a school's impact on social mobility. And even by that measure, the methodology is bewildering. Never mind the top 20 schools. It's the list beyond 20 that is perplexing and head-scratching.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 01:40     Subject: Re:2024 US News rankings
I think it's wonderful that colleges are generous with money and Pell Grants for those in need of financial assistance. I don't see how that factor makes a school more academically superior to any other school.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 01:32     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:U.S. News’ Rankings Not the ‘Behemoth’ Perceived

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/admissions/2023/09/13/us-news-not-behemoth-one-might-think


lol ok but everyone refers to it
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2023 21:11     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
U.S. News’ Rankings Not the ‘Behemoth’ Perceived

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/admissions/2023/09/13/us-news-not-behemoth-one-might-think
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2023 21:09     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
In its new ranking, USNWR used data from over a decade ago. Why would anyone use it to make their college lists unless they intellectually lazy.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2023 20:18     Subject: 2024 US News rankings
Anonymous wrote:I think the new ranking makes sense


I am coming to the same conclusion - especially after reading the triggered posts from the kinds of people I steer clear of IRL. The new rankings are very welcome.