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Anonymous wrote:Describing Cal & Stanford as "middling football programs with dispassionate fan bases", Sports Illustrated.com article asserts that joining ACC makes sense:

https://si.com/college/2023/08/08/acc-expansion-interest-california-stanford-making-sense

Is a broadcaster willing to pay $42 million a year to air Cal and Stanford games? Unless the answer is yes, adding them will cost ACC members money

I do not think you get how this works. ESPN will increase their payout to the SEC if they pick up the California markets. At worst it would be revenue neutral to the ACC or it will not happen. ACC will not do anything that would cut their payout. They are talking to ESPN now in real time about how this would work. As stated above, the ACC is not going to have just 2 west schools. They would also add others that will bring in other markets.

Maybe and maybe not. The Big12 contract explicitly contains pro-rata increases for new P5 teams. The Big10 was more careful because their contract does not. We do not know what is in the ACC contract. If adding them requires negotiation, the question becomes how much is Cal football worth to Disney. My guess would be not very much

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Anonymous wrote:Describing Cal & Stanford as "middling football programs with dispassionate fan bases", Sports Illustrated.com article asserts that joining ACC makes sense:

https://si.com/college/2023/08/08/acc-expansion-interest-california-stanford-making-sense

Is a broadcaster willing to pay $42 million a year to air Cal and Stanford games? Unless the answer is yes, adding them will cost ACC members money

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Anonymous wrote:FSU may have engaged the services of an investment banker (JP Morgan Chase) and a private equity (PE firm Sixth Street) firm to raise money as well as to have access to sufficient capital to first make a settlement offer and to have a sufficient show of capital to fund an expensive court battle (which is a great & often effective settlement strategy).

Agree with the first part but there is no way there will be investor money to fund this lawsuit. They will fund a settlement. The outcome is not good. You could not get anyone to fund -- except alums and even they don't have that kind of cash.

Agree, but a show of force is often enough to get folks to the table and engage on a reasonable level regarding a settlement.

A show of force? If FSU offers 1.2 billion it will be considered. If they want to borrow it or sell their rights to Wall Street for the money nobody cares. Still might not be agreed to.

Some of us deal in the real world where business decisions typically involve some degree of bargaining and compromise while others may choose a hard-headed fight to the death type approach.

sigh. You are playing checkers. Chess is the game. What do the ACC schools that can't go anywhere want? It is not money. Duke and BC are loaded. What they want is a power conference. In other words they do not want the dollars -- they want the conference. So go ahead and sue us. You can't move until the litigation is over and appeals are over. No conference would touch you. Best case you sue and three years later you can move because you won. But three years from now there may be no slots. You will be screwed. The ACC schools that can't get anywhere else are not going to be reasonable. Why would they. They have you over a barrel. You can't give them what they want. The ACC has to either expand or get taken by the SEC and Big10.

When I read statements like this, it is clear that you are--to use a word from your prior post--delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:Describing Cal & Stanford as "middling football programs with dispassionate fan bases", Sports Illustrated.com article asserts that joining ACC makes sense:

https://si.com/college/2023/08/08/acc-expansion-interest-california-stanford-making-sense

Is a broadcaster willing to pay $42 million a year to air Cal and Stanford games? Unless the answer is yes, adding them will cost ACC members money

I do not think you get how this works. ESPN will increase their payout to the SEC if they pick up the California markets. At worst it would be revenue neutral to the ACC or it will not happen. ACC will not do anything that would cut their payout. They are talking to ESPN now in real time about how this would work. As stated above, the ACC is not going to have just 2 west schools. They would also add others that will bring in other markets.

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Anonymous wrote:Describing Cal & Stanford as "middling football programs with dispassionate fan bases", Sports Illustrated.com article asserts that joining ACC makes sense:

https://si.com/college/2023/08/08/acc-expansion-interest-california-stanford-making-sense

Is a broadcaster willing to pay $42 million a year to air Cal and Stanford games? Unless the answer is yes, adding them will cost ACC members money

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CNN, citing "multiple sources", reports that the ACC is in exploratory talks with Cal & Stanford.

That would put those schools at a competitive disadvantage, having to travel cross country for all of the away matches.

Anonymous wrote:Describing Cal & Stanford as "middling football programs with dispassionate fan bases", Sports Illustrated.com article asserts that joining ACC makes sense:

https://si.com/college/2023/08/08/acc-expansion-interest-california-stanford-making-sense

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CNN, citing "multiple sources", reports that the ACC is in exploratory talks with Cal & Stanford.

The interesting effect of all this is that these schools that are supposed to be intelligent are looking like they are stupid planners and on top of that panicky.

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CNN, citing "multiple sources", reports that the ACC is in exploratory talks with Cal & Stanford.

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CNN, citing "multiple sources", reports that the ACC is in exploratory talks with Cal & Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:“ UVA, UNC, Miami, BC, Wake all Cal level.”

Only at USNWR. In the real world, Berkeley is definitely a tier or two above those mentioned.

How do statements like this help your case ?

It is as though you insist on bringing just a knife to a gun fight.

If Berkeley is so superior academically, then why associate with the ordinaries of the ACC or the Big Ten or the Big 12 or the SEC as it is clear that Berkeley belongs in the Ivy League.

That wasn’t the point at all. Saying that Miami, BC, and Wake Forest are at Berkeley’s academic level doesn’t mean that they can’t play sports together. It’s like Vanderbilt in the SEC. It’s academically superior to every other school in that conference, with the possible exception of Florida. I didn’t initially bring up the academic issue, but I’m not going to ignore silly statements that aren’t accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:“ UVA, UNC, Miami, BC, Wake all Cal level.”

Only at USNWR. In the real world, Berkeley is definitely a tier or two above those mentioned.

How do statements like this help your case ?

It is as though you insist on bringing just a knife to a gun fight.

If Berkeley is so superior academically, then why associate with the ordinaries of the ACC or the Big Ten or the Big 12 or the SEC as it is clear that Berkeley belongs in the Ivy League.