Anonymous
07/29/2023 17:01
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Nobody is saying dismantle the public school system. That’s an outrageous exaggeration. But what’s wrong with giving people some options regarding where their tax dollars go for education & where their kids are educated ? We are beaten senseless regarding diversity and respecting individual choices. But when it comes to schools it’s gotta be one size fits all.
If you can refuse to have your tax dollars go to women getting an abortion I can refuse to have mine go to any religious based school.
Also no dollars should ever be taken from a school because the students in its district use federal dollars to go elsewhere. That a disastrous plan.
Anonymous
07/29/2023 15:28
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Nobody is saying dismantle the public school system. That’s an outrageous exaggeration. But what’s wrong with giving people some options regarding where their tax dollars go for education & where their kids are educated ? We are beaten senseless regarding diversity and respecting individual choices. But when it comes to schools it’s gotta be one size fits all.
You are actually arguing for dismantling the public school system. It’s sad that you don’t see that. It’s sad that you don’t understand that that’s what your party is going after. Banning books is just a complement to that.
Anonymous
07/29/2023 15:27
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Nobody is saying dismantle the public school system. That’s an outrageous exaggeration. But what’s wrong with giving people some options regarding where their tax dollars go for education & where their kids are educated ? We are beaten senseless regarding diversity and respecting individual choices. But when it comes to schools it’s gotta be one size fits all.
Anonymous
07/29/2023 14:59
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Book Banning is one of a number of ways the GOP is undermining public education with a goal of making the masses dumb and the elite, with access to education on top of the pyramid. The reason the US led the world in the 20th Century was the public education system. But since the 1950's there has been a banging of the drum to dismantle public education, defunding the Dept of Education nationally, installing vouchers to use public money for religious schools, charters given to masked religious schools, the CRT bogeyman to scare suburban whites, etc.
It is ongoing and it is successful.
Too many of us poor and middle class people became wealthier post 1950 and that apparently has to stop.
Anonymous
07/29/2023 13:19
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Book Banning is one of a number of ways the GOP is undermining public education with a goal of making the masses dumb and the elite, with access to education on top of the pyramid. The reason the US led the world in the 20th Century was the public education system. But since the 1950's there has been a banging of the drum to dismantle public education, defunding the Dept of Education nationally, installing vouchers to use public money for religious schools, charters given to masked religious schools, the CRT bogeyman to scare suburban whites, etc.
It is ongoing and it is successful.
It is ongoing and it is successful.
Anonymous
07/29/2023 12:59
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:And now the fascists have gone silent on this matter again, waiting, waiting, waiting for the next talking point, why it’s okay that a few religious fanatics are okay controlling the book choices of the many.
The maga fascists seem to love for the next talking point.
What they don't understand is that this book banning in schools or public libraries can eventually be used against them.
Harry Potter? "Satanic"
Catholicism? "Not American"
Books featuring black people? "Too diverse"
This has already started with banning books about the civil rights movement and books by black authors.
Just wait until *your* religion or interests or culture comes under attack by the talking points generators.
Anonymous
07/29/2023 12:55
Subject: Re:Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to getting porn and books with questionable sexual content out of schools?
Sexual content is not pornography. And reading about sexuality or sexual experiences through literature is much better than learning about it through gossip or actual porn on the internet.
Graphic depictions of sex acts do not belong in schools. It boggles my mind that this is not universally agreed to.
But why are your guys banning books about civil rights, honest U.S. history, acceptance of LGBTQ without any graphic sexual content, etc.? You all mention the same 2 or 3 books but you are banning hundreds and threatening and intimidating librarians and teachers and administrators and school boards. I don’t think you are acting in good faith. It’s just a right-wing backlash political stunt.
I’m not. I’m against sexual content in schools. But when you fight against that restriction, one many would consider a low bar, you open the door for a flood of people ready to ban other books.
When you aren’t reasonable, you end up fighting other unreasonable people too.
Are you against sex ed? Please be very specific about how you define “sexual content.”
And also which grades you are for banning “sexual content” — k-12? Do you think 16 year olds need to be completely shielded from your definition of “sexual content”? You need to be specific because vague laws will ban a much wider scope. It can’t be a matter of “I know it when I see it.”
It would help, too, if most of the books the fascists have banned weren’t books about African American history and LGBTQ themes. I get that these banners are racists and homophobic, but Black kids deserve to see themselves and their history and gay kids or straight kids from gay families also deserve to see themselves. These people can’t make America look like their fantasies of the 1800s. Time moves on.
Anonymous
07/29/2023 12:44
Subject: Re:Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to getting porn and books with questionable sexual content out of schools?
Sexual content is not pornography. And reading about sexuality or sexual experiences through literature is much better than learning about it through gossip or actual porn on the internet.
Graphic depictions of sex acts do not belong in schools. It boggles my mind that this is not universally agreed to.
But why are your guys banning books about civil rights, honest U.S. history, acceptance of LGBTQ without any graphic sexual content, etc.? You all mention the same 2 or 3 books but you are banning hundreds and threatening and intimidating librarians and teachers and administrators and school boards. I don’t think you are acting in good faith. It’s just a right-wing backlash political stunt.
I’m not. I’m against sexual content in schools. But when you fight against that restriction, one many would consider a low bar, you open the door for a flood of people ready to ban other books.
When you aren’t reasonable, you end up fighting other unreasonable people too.
Are you against sex ed? Please be very specific about how you define “sexual content.”
And also which grades you are for banning “sexual content” — k-12? Do you think 16 year olds need to be completely shielded from your definition of “sexual content”? You need to be specific because vague laws will ban a much wider scope. It can’t be a matter of “I know it when I see it.”
Anonymous
07/29/2023 12:41
Subject: Re:Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to getting porn and books with questionable sexual content out of schools?
Sexual content is not pornography. And reading about sexuality or sexual experiences through literature is much better than learning about it through gossip or actual porn on the internet.
Graphic depictions of sex acts do not belong in schools. It boggles my mind that this is not universally agreed to.
But why are your guys banning books about civil rights, honest U.S. history, acceptance of LGBTQ without any graphic sexual content, etc.? You all mention the same 2 or 3 books but you are banning hundreds and threatening and intimidating librarians and teachers and administrators and school boards. I don’t think you are acting in good faith. It’s just a right-wing backlash political stunt.
I’m not. I’m against sexual content in schools. But when you fight against that restriction, one many would consider a low bar, you open the door for a flood of people ready to ban other books.
When you aren’t reasonable, you end up fighting other unreasonable people too.
Are you against sex ed? Please be very specific about how you define “sexual content.”
Anonymous
07/29/2023 12:33
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
And now the fascists have gone silent on this matter again, waiting, waiting, waiting for the next talking point, why it’s okay that a few religious fanatics are okay controlling the book choices of the many.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 22:44
Subject: Re:Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to getting porn and books with questionable sexual content out of schools?
Which titles do you think are “porn” and have “questionable sexual content”? Titles, not a wave of the christofascist hand.
Dp. Gender Queer and This Book is Gay are two that come to mind.
And these are at your local library?
They are in school libraries. Hence the uproar.
No, sweetcheeks, we’re talking about public libraries now.
Such a sweet rosy view based in utter ignorance.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 22:43
Subject: Re:Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to getting porn and books with questionable sexual content out of schools?
Sexual content is not pornography. And reading about sexuality or sexual experiences through literature is much better than learning about it through gossip or actual porn on the internet.
Graphic depictions of sex acts do not belong in schools. It boggles my mind that this is not universally agreed to.
But why are your guys banning books about civil rights, honest U.S. history, acceptance of LGBTQ without any graphic sexual content, etc.? You all mention the same 2 or 3 books but you are banning hundreds and threatening and intimidating librarians and teachers and administrators and school boards. I don’t think you are acting in good faith. It’s just a right-wing backlash political stunt.
I’m not. I’m against sexual content in schools. But when you fight against that restriction, one many would consider a low bar, you open the door for a flood of people ready to ban other books.
When you aren’t reasonable, you end up fighting other unreasonable people too.
You better keep up with the GOP’s rising fascism. We’re now talking about these wingnuts getting books pulled from public libraries and they’re not sexually explicit. Wingnuts just hate gay people.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 22:28
Subject: Re:Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to getting porn and books with questionable sexual content out of schools?
Which titles do you think are “porn” and have “questionable sexual content”? Titles, not a wave of the christofascist hand.
Dp. Gender Queer and This Book is Gay are two that come to mind.
Any evidence of these books being available to young children, or contain "porn"? Both books are written for teens and young adults that are at least high school age. If you're objecting to that, then I'm guessing you are the type that preaches for abstinence-only sex education.
You’d guess wrong. I’m all for factual sex education. These books are not that.
Wrong. For many LGBTQ+ young adults, This Book is Gay has been considered a factual guide on sex education for their community.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 22:02
Subject: Re:Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to getting porn and books with questionable sexual content out of schools?
Sexual content is not pornography. And reading about sexuality or sexual experiences through literature is much better than learning about it through gossip or actual porn on the internet.
Graphic depictions of sex acts do not belong in schools. It boggles my mind that this is not universally agreed to.
But why are your guys banning books about civil rights, honest U.S. history, acceptance of LGBTQ without any graphic sexual content, etc.? You all mention the same 2 or 3 books but you are banning hundreds and threatening and intimidating librarians and teachers and administrators and school boards. I don’t think you are acting in good faith. It’s just a right-wing backlash political stunt.
I’m not. I’m against sexual content in schools. But when you fight against that restriction, one many would consider a low bar, you open the door for a flood of people ready to ban other books.
When you aren’t reasonable, you end up fighting other unreasonable people too.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 21:53
Subject: Re:Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to getting porn and books with questionable sexual content out of schools?
Sexual content is not pornography. And reading about sexuality or sexual experiences through literature is much better than learning about it through gossip or actual porn on the internet.
Graphic depictions of sex acts do not belong in schools. It boggles my mind that this is not universally agreed to.
But why are your guys banning books about civil rights, honest U.S. history, acceptance of LGBTQ without any graphic sexual content, etc.? You all mention the same 2 or 3 books but you are banning hundreds and threatening and intimidating librarians and teachers and administrators and school boards. I don’t think you are acting in good faith. It’s just a right-wing backlash political stunt.