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Anonymous wrote:I’m heading back to murder suicide since heat stroke so obvious. They would have said.

Staunch murder/suicide poster here.

I am just sitting back, reading, waiting for it to be confirmed. 🍿 🍿

Couldn't one of them avoided a lot of trouble and just poisoned them at home?

Sure. Maybe he wanted to romanticize it.

The cops already said it wasn't murder.................

Toxicology hasn't come back. Surely police meant murder by a 3rd party.

Murder is murder.

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Anonymous wrote:What time was the nanny supposed to come take over childcare? Did the nanny not report the fact that the family was not home? Not saying she should have thought it was an emergency at that point. But it makes me wonder if they’d have been found alive if she had.

It was a Sunday so it probably was not a regularly scheduled block for the nanny and might have been a last minute overtime job so she might have figured there was a change of plans.

Sorry you’re confused. The family went for the hike on Sunday. Nanny showed up for work as planned on Monday morning. Family reported missing late Monday night. Police discovered bodies on Tuesday morning.

No exactly sure why people are trying to blame someone for not reporting them missing sooner.

I still say FA because:

1. Not novice hikers. Their alltrails are extensive and they liked hiking.

2. They lived close by and reportedly did hikes most weekends. They knew of the fire in 2018.

3. He researched this trail or nearby trails before heading out.

4. It was extremely hot not here that came from nowhere. Alltrails shows you the weather of the trail you want to take. No experienced hiker only looks at the weather of when you start your hike.

5. This is my main thing- finding them all close together/on trail. Heat exhaustion includes delirium. If you know about the symptoms or read about heat stroke the chances of both of them not wandering off the trail or being found close together just seems unlikely.

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Anonymous wrote:What time was the nanny supposed to come take over childcare? Did the nanny not report the fact that the family was not home? Not saying she should have thought it was an emergency at that point. But it makes me wonder if they’d have been found alive if she had.

It was a Sunday so it probably was not a regularly scheduled block for the nanny and might have been a last minute overtime job so she might have figured there was a change of plans.

If I had an agreement with someone to do a job and then the phone is off and the person is not at the agreed meeting place, I am either pissed (if I don’t know them well) or worried if the situation is the same still in a few hours (if I know them fairly well). Maybe she was a new nanny

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Anonymous wrote:What time was the nanny supposed to come take over childcare? Did the nanny not report the fact that the family was not home? Not saying she should have thought it was an emergency at that point. But it makes me wonder if they’d have been found alive if she had.

It was a Sunday so it probably was not a regularly scheduled block for the nanny and might have been a last minute overtime job so she might have figured there was a change of plans.

Sorry you’re confused. The family went for the hike on Sunday. Nanny showed up for work as planned on Monday morning. Family reported missing late Monday night. Police discovered bodies on Tuesday morning.

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Anonymous wrote:What if dog got lost. And they tried to search too long, too deep. They found dog, but by then heat stroke set in.

Or, like others suggested, dog got heat stroke first, and they tried to get him out, but that sealed their fate.

I posted upthread about this but if they thought the path was wooded/shaded (like in the pre fire photos) it’s possible dog left the house without paw protectors and the path was more exposed and hot (lots of rocks that heated up) and the dog got burned/cracked paws which would have slowed them down. If the dog had badly burned paws they might have had to carry the 50 plus pound furry dog on a hilly trail, that would have been a game changer in a bad way even for fit people who otherwise would have had no problem getting back home.

I mean, I guess but surely they would have noticed the complete lack of vegetation either upon arrival or soon after beginning the hike?

Not if they went around the whole 8-mile loop. From where they parked the car, they started north along a gentle downhill with plenty of trees. Then hit the river and turned right to walk along it. Only starting up the Savage-Lundy section of trail - 6 miles into their loop - would they have realized how burned out that last section would be. What to do at that point? Turn back and hike another 6 miles the way you came in, or keep going the 2 miles up the hill, hoping you'll find some shade along the way?

Yep not to mention two miles doesn’t seem bad if you don’t know how rough the terrain is. Most people would take the 2 over the 6 unless they were very familiar with the trail.

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Anonymous wrote:What if dog got lost. And they tried to search too long, too deep. They found dog, but by then heat stroke set in.

Or, like others suggested, dog got heat stroke first, and they tried to get him out, but that sealed their fate.

I posted upthread about this but if they thought the path was wooded/shaded (like in the pre fire photos) it’s possible dog left the house without paw protectors and the path was more exposed and hot (lots of rocks that heated up) and the dog got burned/cracked paws which would have slowed them down. If the dog had badly burned paws they might have had to carry the 50 plus pound furry dog on a hilly trail, that would have been a game changer in a bad way even for fit people who otherwise would have had no problem getting back home.

I mean, I guess but surely they would have noticed the complete lack of vegetation either upon arrival or soon after beginning the hike?

People wearing shoes don’t realize how hot rocks and asphalt gets especially if they’re wearing hiking shoes. It could have been only 80s but burning hot on the rocks. You see pets get burned all the time in summer

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Anonymous wrote:What if dog got lost. And they tried to search too long, too deep. They found dog, but by then heat stroke set in.

Or, like others suggested, dog got heat stroke first, and they tried to get him out, but that sealed their fate.

I posted upthread about this but if they thought the path was wooded/shaded (like in the pre fire photos) it’s possible dog left the house without paw protectors and the path was more exposed and hot (lots of rocks that heated up) and the dog got burned/cracked paws which would have slowed them down. If the dog had badly burned paws they might have had to carry the 50 plus pound furry dog on a hilly trail, that would have been a game changer in a bad way even for fit people who otherwise would have had no problem getting back home.

I mean, I guess but surely they would have noticed the complete lack of vegetation either upon arrival or soon after beginning the hike?

Not if they went around the whole 8-mile loop. From where they parked the car, they started north along a gentle downhill with plenty of trees. Then hit the river and turned right to walk along it. Only starting up the Savage-Lundy section of trail - 6 miles into their loop - would they have realized how burned out that last section would be. What to do at that point? Turn back and hike another 6 miles the way you came in, or keep going the 2 miles up the hill, hoping you'll find some shade along the way?

Anonymous wrote:What time was the nanny supposed to come take over childcare? Did the nanny not report the fact that the family was not home? Not saying she should have thought it was an emergency at that point. But it makes me wonder if they’d have been found alive if she had.

It was a Sunday so it probably was not a regularly scheduled block for the nanny and might have been a last minute overtime job so she might have figured there was a change of plans.

What can I say? Netflix and chill saves lives. Sad situation all around. My bet is on heat stroke.

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Anonymous wrote:What if dog got lost. And they tried to search too long, too deep. They found dog, but by then heat stroke set in.

Or, like others suggested, dog got heat stroke first, and they tried to get him out, but that sealed their fate.

I posted upthread about this but if they thought the path was wooded/shaded (like in the pre fire photos) it’s possible dog left the house without paw protectors and the path was more exposed and hot (lots of rocks that heated up) and the dog got burned/cracked paws which would have slowed them down. If the dog had badly burned paws they might have had to carry the 50 plus pound furry dog on a hilly trail, that would have been a game changer in a bad way even for fit people who otherwise would have had no problem getting back home.

I mean, I guess but surely they would have noticed the complete lack of vegetation either upon arrival or soon after beginning the hike?

Anonymous wrote:What if dog got lost. And they tried to search too long, too deep. They found dog, but by then heat stroke set in.

Or, like others suggested, dog got heat stroke first, and they tried to get him out, but that sealed their fate.

I posted upthread about this but if they thought the path was wooded/shaded (like in the pre fire photos) it’s possible dog left the house without paw protectors and the path was more exposed and hot (lots of rocks that heated up) and the dog got burned/cracked paws which would have slowed them down. If the dog had badly burned paws they might have had to carry the 50 plus pound furry dog on a hilly trail, that would have been a game changer in a bad way even for fit people who otherwise would have had no problem getting back home.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m heading back to murder suicide since heat stroke so obvious. They would have said.

Staunch murder/suicide poster here.

I am just sitting back, reading, waiting for it to be confirmed. 🍿 🍿

Couldn't one of them avoided a lot of trouble and just poisoned them at home?

Sure. Maybe he wanted to romanticize it.

The cops already said it wasn't murder.................

Toxicology hasn't come back. Surely police meant murder by a 3rd party.

What if dog got lost. And they tried to search too long, too deep. They found dog, but by then heat stroke set in.

Or, like others suggested, dog got heat stroke first, and they tried to get him out, but that sealed their fate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m heading back to murder suicide since heat stroke so obvious. They would have said.

Staunch murder/suicide poster here.

I am just sitting back, reading, waiting for it to be confirmed. 🍿 🍿

Couldn't one of them avoided a lot of trouble and just poisoned them at home?

Sure. Maybe he wanted to romanticize it.

The cops already said it wasn't murder.................