Anonymous wrote:The thing I don't understand is that the superintendent says he doesn't need SB approval bc it is a program move, not a boundary change. But then on the website for the swap, they say that a boundary adjustment is likely afterward. Hmmm. Sounds like he's trying to get around the rules by scheduling these two changes (program move and boundary adjustment) separately.

I have no axe to grind here, as I have a preschooler, but it seems to me that if this is okay, then the superintendent could move any program anywhere with no oversight as long as the boundary process was kept separate.

That’s because the boundary process is kept separate.

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone saw the SB meeting on Thursday they won't have a need to provide shuttle buses for the low-income families. According to the Key parents, they are all planning on staying at the Key building aka their neighborhood school!

Pretty much every argument made by the Key parents could be used to justify moving immersion to Carlin Springs and having both Key and ASFS neighborhood. Not sure if they’ve realized that yet.

Yes- this is the ultimate problem with their arguments. They are insisting that they want to go to the school closest to them, and oh by the way they want it to be immersion. They can go to the school closest to them- whatever it's called. Their neighbors without kids in school aren't guaranteed to get to do so unless it is a neighborhood school. Those neighbors have just as much 'need' for a close school as the students currently enrolled.

People seem to forget it was their neighborhood school when they started. Key served the neighborhood and you had a choice.

Yeah, basically that area (i.e, the Key/ASFS attendance zone) has had two "neighborhoods" schools to choose from for the last 20 years-- why? Because they need two schools in that area. By doing the swap and making Key lottery only, APS has really screwed the pooch. That area continues to grow, but yet they took away one of the schools that served the neighborhood!

Once the dust settles with SA schools, they can look at this and realize the swap is fruitless, and to keep ASFS at its location and undo the transfer policy to give them flexibility to match demand.

The old transfer policy isn’t coming back. You aren’t that special.

Anonymous wrote:The thing I don't understand is that the superintendent says he doesn't need SB approval bc it is a program move, not a boundary change. But then on the website for the swap, they say that a boundary adjustment is likely afterward. Hmmm. Sounds like he's trying to get around the rules by scheduling these two changes (program move and boundary adjustment) separately.

I have no axe to grind here, as I have a preschooler, but it seems to me that if this is okay, then the superintendent could move any program anywhere with no oversight as long as the boundary process was kept separate.

Yes, you are correct that you don’t understand.

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone saw the SB meeting on Thursday they won't have a need to provide shuttle buses for the low-income families. According to the Key parents, they are all planning on staying at the Key building aka their neighborhood school!

Pretty much every argument made by the Key parents could be used to justify moving immersion to Carlin Springs and having both Key and ASFS neighborhood. Not sure if they’ve realized that yet.

Yes- this is the ultimate problem with their arguments. They are insisting that they want to go to the school closest to them, and oh by the way they want it to be immersion. They can go to the school closest to them- whatever it's called. Their neighbors without kids in school aren't guaranteed to get to do so unless it is a neighborhood school. Those neighbors have just as much 'need' for a close school as the students currently enrolled.

People seem to forget it was their neighborhood school when they started. Key served the neighborhood and you had a choice.

Yeah, basically that area (i.e, the Key/ASFS attendance zone) has had two "neighborhoods" schools to choose from for the last 20 years-- why? Because they need two schools in that area. By doing the swap and making Key lottery only, APS has really screwed the pooch. That area continues to grow, but yet they took away one of the schools that served the neighborhood!

Once the dust settles with SA schools, they can look at this and realize the swap is fruitless, and to keep ASFS at its location and undo the transfer policy to give them flexibility to match demand.

The thing I don't understand is that the superintendent says he doesn't need SB approval bc it is a program move, not a boundary change. But then on the website for the swap, they say that a boundary adjustment is likely afterward. Hmmm. Sounds like he's trying to get around the rules by scheduling these two changes (program move and boundary adjustment) separately.

I have no axe to grind here, as I have a preschooler, but it seems to me that if this is okay, then the superintendent could move any program anywhere with no oversight as long as the boundary process was kept separate.

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone saw the SB meeting on Thursday they won't have a need to provide shuttle buses for the low-income families. According to the Key parents, they are all planning on staying at the Key building aka their neighborhood school!

Pretty much every argument made by the Key parents could be used to justify moving immersion to Carlin Springs and having both Key and ASFS neighborhood. Not sure if they’ve realized that yet.

Yes- this is the ultimate problem with their arguments. They are insisting that they want to go to the school closest to them, and oh by the way they want it to be immersion. They can go to the school closest to them- whatever it's called. Their neighbors without kids in school aren't guaranteed to get to do so unless it is a neighborhood school. Those neighbors have just as much 'need' for a close school as the students currently enrolled.

People seem to forget it was their neighborhood school when they started. Key served the neighborhood and you had a choice.

Yeah, basically that area (i.e, the Key/ASFS attendance zone) has had two "neighborhoods" schools to choose from for the last 20 years-- why? Because they need two schools in that area. By doing the swap and making Key lottery only, APS has really screwed the pooch. That area continues to grow, but yet they took away one of the schools that served the neighborhood!

APS staff indicated to both communities (which the pro-swappers at ASFS repeatedly reiterate whenever you bring up the issue of Key students not moving with the swap) that, if necessary, shuttles could be used so that the low-income parents would have a way to attend school functions when it moves to Key. I got the sense they were just trying to placate those at Woodbury park/lure them into staying with immersion vs. their building. It will be a real clusterf*** when APS does the swap and, oopsie, realize that they have to cram 900 kids into the Key building! (Granted, it will just be for one year until they do the boundary change and send Rosslyn students to Taylor and Long Branch).

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone saw the SB meeting on Thursday they won't have a need to provide shuttle buses for the low-income families. According to the Key parents, they are all planning on staying at the Key building aka their neighborhood school!

Pretty much every argument made by the Key parents could be used to justify moving immersion to Carlin Springs and having both Key and ASFS neighborhood. Not sure if they’ve realized that yet.

Yes- this is the ultimate problem with their arguments. They are insisting that they want to go to the school closest to them, and oh by the way they want it to be immersion. They can go to the school closest to them- whatever it's called. Their neighbors without kids in school aren't guaranteed to get to do so unless it is a neighborhood school. Those neighbors have just as much 'need' for a close school as the students currently enrolled.

People seem to forget it was their neighborhood school when they started. Key served the neighborhood and you had a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I would put good money on the swap not happening because neither school wants to go. I also believe that APS is still offering up ASFS as a camp site this summer, which they wouldn't do if they were going to be moving all the stuff.

the swap has nothing to do with the schools wanting to go, it has to do with the system as a whole. Also, there was no scenario where they would move it this summer- it is next summer or the summer after.

AKA: How to fix a “paper” issue, self-inflicted by the SB when they changed the transfer policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who assert that ASFS is easily accessible by public transportation are incorrect. ASFS is so weirdly located that it poses a real conundrum as to how to get there other than by school bus or whatever vehicle rich white women drive to drop their kids off.

Not to worry, rumor has it that APS will be providing private shuttles to parents who need to get to the school for back-to-school night, conferences, etc. That won’t help those who need to pick up from extended day but at least it’s something. But I’m not sure how that helps reduce transportation costs (or is equitable if you would like to go to an option school but don’t because you don’t have APS providing a private shuttle).

What? I thought this whole thing was about saving money on transportation. How much are these shuttles going to cost? Have we heard yet how much the swap will cost? This stuff really needs to be thought out. I sincerely hope APS is providing private shuttles for low income students at ALL option programs - if not, there needs to be equity with these types of decisions.

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How would this save money?

Rumor poster is making stuff up.

Not sure what you mean by rumor poster? APS told our community directly they intend to provide shuttles for our Woodbury Park families to get to Lincoln St if families have difficulty. Perhaps you are calling APS liars, and well I'd have to agree with you on that one. They are full of double speak.

When was that statement made, to whom, and in what context?

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Anonymous wrote:I would put good money on the swap not happening because neither school wants to go. I also believe that APS is still offering up ASFS as a camp site this summer, which they wouldn't do if they were going to be moving all the stuff.

the swap has nothing to do with the schools wanting to go, it has to do with the system as a whole. Also, there was no scenario where they would move it this summer- it is next summer or the summer after.

+1 on both points.

Anonymous wrote:I would put good money on the swap not happening because neither school wants to go. I also believe that APS is still offering up ASFS as a camp site this summer, which they wouldn't do if they were going to be moving all the stuff.

the swap has nothing to do with the schools wanting to go, it has to do with the system as a whole. Also, there was no scenario where they would move it this summer- it is next summer or the summer after.

Anonymous wrote:I would put good money on the swap not happening because neither school wants to go. I also believe that APS is still offering up ASFS as a camp site this summer, which they wouldn't do if they were going to be moving all the stuff.

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The swap is a huge waste of money and effort.

I would put good money on the swap not happening because neither school wants to go. I also believe that APS is still offering up ASFS as a camp site this summer, which they wouldn't do if they were going to be moving all the stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who assert that ASFS is easily accessible by public transportation are incorrect. ASFS is so weirdly located that it poses a real conundrum as to how to get there other than by school bus or whatever vehicle rich white women drive to drop their kids off.

Not to worry, rumor has it that APS will be providing private shuttles to parents who need to get to the school for back-to-school night, conferences, etc. That won’t help those who need to pick up from extended day but at least it’s something. But I’m not sure how that helps reduce transportation costs (or is equitable if you would like to go to an option school but don’t because you don’t have APS providing a private shuttle).

This is the first I’ve heard about private shuttles. Sounds weird, but if this is true, ok. The field at ASFS looks like a disaster zone.

I wouldn't believe the rumors. ASFS' current population has a significant number of apartment dwellers not in walking distance and they don't do diddly-squat for back to school night and conferences. People get dropped in cabs and ubers.