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Anonymous wrote:Only these schools changed adding MIT: Spence +1, Dalton +1, Regis +2, Hunter +2, Fieldston +1.

Also added Hunter, Browning, and Dwight-Englewood

School (N): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+

Brearley (46): 36 (78%); 14 (30%); 32 (70%)
Spence (64): 41 (64%); 12 (19%); 38 (59%)
Chapin (52): 32 (62%); 6 (12%); 28 (54%)
Dalton (59): 33 (56%); 13 (22%); 32 (54%)
Saint Ann's (73): 36 (49%); 7 (10%); 27 (37%)
Horace Mann (131): 64 (49%); 6 (5%); 63 (48%)
Trinity (109): 52 (48%); 13 (12%); 49 (45%)
Regis (79): 35 (44%); 6 (8%); 29 (37%)
Nightingale (57): 24 (42%); 1 (2%); 22 (39%)
Riverdale (128): 53 (41%); 11 (9%); 48 (38%)
Hunter (114): 46 (40%); 12 (11%); 42 (37%)
Browning (27): 10 (37%); 2 (7%); 10 (37%)
Packer (92): 28 (30%); 3 (3%); 23 (25%)
Fieldston (141): 42 (30%); 12 (9%); 40 (28%)
Friends Seminary (39): 11 (28%); 2 (5%); 10 (26%)
CGPS (119): 32 (27%); 3 (3%); 28 (24%)
Dwight-Englewood (124): 31 (25%); 8 (6%); 28 (23%)
Avenues (91): 21 (23%); 4 (4%); 20 (22%)
Trevor (87): 16 (18%); 1 (1%); 16 (18%)
Berkeley Carroll (77): 14 (18%); 0 (0%); 9 (12%)
Poly Prep (123): 22 (18%); 2 (2%); 22 (18%)
Grace Church (80): 14 (18%); 1 (1%); 13 (16%)
Sacred Heart (61): 10 (16%); 2 (3%); 10 (16%)
Marymount (70): 8 (11%); 1 (1%); 7 (10%)
Brooklyn Friends (48): 5 (10%); 0 (0%); 3 (6%)

H/Y/P/S/M = Harvard + Yale + Princeton + Stanford + MIT
Ivy+ = Ivy League + Stanford + MIT + Caltech + UChicago + Duke + Johns Hopkins + Northwestern + Vanderbilt
Ivy+WASP = Ivy+ + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona

Actual data from schools' websites. 5 year averages where available, otherwise, latest year(s) available averaged.

School N/yr Ivy+WASP H/Y/P/S/M Ivy+ Years (Averaged)
Brearley 61 60% 19% 53% 2021-2025
Spence 64 54% 17% 50% 2021-2025
Dalton 87 52% 16% 48% 2019-2024
Riverdale 116 46% 11% 43% 2020-2025
Saint Ann's 86 45% 13% 35% 2024-2025
Chapin 60 43% 11% 38% 2021-2025
Nightingale 57 33% 6% 28% 2021-2025
Fieldston 120 28% 3% 24% 2020-2025
Browning 25 25% 3% 23% 2021-2025
Regis 130 25% 6% 22% 2022-2025
Friends Seminary 74 24% 5% 21% 2021-2025
Packer 96 19% 5% 16% 2021-2025
Avenues 91 19% 3% 17% 2023
Dwight-Englewood 124 17% 3% 16% 2023-2025
Sacred Heart 56 16% 3% 15% 2021-2025
Poly Prep 128 15% 2% 12% 2021-2025
Marymount 50 14% 3% 13% 2020-2024

Horace Mann 180 42% 6% 42% 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students

BCS, BFS, CGPS, GCS, Hunter, Trevor, Trinity don't report #s, just schools.

I believe Collegiate also reports 5-year data on it's website.

School (N/yr): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+ | Years
Brearley (61): 60%; 19%; 53% | 2021-2025
Spence (64): 54%; 17%; 50% | 2021-2025
Collegiate (52): 52%; 12%; 48% | 2020-2024
Dalton (87): 52%; 16%; 48% | 2019-2024
Riverdale (116): 46%; 11%; 43% | 2020-2025
Saint Ann's (86): 45%; 13%; 35% | 2024-2025
Chapin (60): 43%; 11%; 38% | 2021-2025
Nightingale (57): 33%; 6%; 28% | 2021-2025
Fieldston (120): 28%; 3%; 24% | 2020-2025
Browning (25): 25%; 3%; 23% | 2021-2025
Regis (130): 25%; 6%; 22% | 2022-2025
Friends Seminary (74): 24%; 5%; 21% | 2021-2025
Packer (96): 19%; 5%; 16% | 2021-2025
Avenues (91): 19%; 3%; 17% | 2023
Dwight-Englewood (124): 17%; 3%; 16% | 2023-2025
Sacred Heart (56): 16%; 3%; 15% | 2021-2025
Poly Prep (128): 15%; 2%; 12% | 2021-2025
Marymount (50): 14%; 3%; 13% | 2020-2024

Horace Mann (180): 42%; 6%; 42% | 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; badges <5 students

Not the PP but if you tier her table by 10% increments on Ivy+WASP, you get these.

50+%
Brearley (61): 60%; 19%; 53% | 2021-2025
Spence (64): 54%; 17%; 50% | 2021-2025
Collegiate (52): 52%; 12%; 48% | 2020-2024
Dalton (87): 52%; 16%; 48% | 2019-2024

40-50%
Horace Mann (180): 42%; 6%; 42% | 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students
Riverdale (116): 46%; 11%; 43% | 2020-2025
Saint Ann's (86): 45%; 13%; 35% | 2024-2025
Chapin (60): 43%; 11%; 38% | 2021-2025

30-40%
Nightingale (57): 33%; 6%; 28% | 2021-2025

20-30%
Fieldston (120): 28%; 3%; 24% | 2020-2025
Browning (25): 25%; 3%; 23% | 2021-2025
Regis (130): 25%; 6%; 22% | 2022-2025
Friends Seminary (74): 24%; 5%; 21% | 2021-2025

10-20%
Packer (96): 19%; 5%; 16% | 2021-2025
Avenues (91): 19%; 3%; 17% | 2023
Dwight-Englewood (124): 17%; 3%; 16% | 2023-2025
Sacred Heart (56): 16%; 3%; 15% | 2021-2025
Poly Prep (128): 15%; 2%; 12% | 2021-2025
Marymount (50): 14%; 3%; 13% | 2020-2024

I wish I saw this 3 years ago when DD did K admissions. Fit was obviously important (who best to judge fit though than her interviewer who knows the school better than an open house and tour), but this is much more objective than the relative advice we got once we narrowed down (or were narrowed down) on fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Only these schools changed adding MIT: Spence +1, Dalton +1, Regis +2, Hunter +2, Fieldston +1.

Also added Hunter, Browning, and Dwight-Englewood

School (N): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+

Brearley (46): 36 (78%); 14 (30%); 32 (70%)
Spence (64): 41 (64%); 12 (19%); 38 (59%)
Chapin (52): 32 (62%); 6 (12%); 28 (54%)
Dalton (59): 33 (56%); 13 (22%); 32 (54%)
Saint Ann's (73): 36 (49%); 7 (10%); 27 (37%)
Horace Mann (131): 64 (49%); 6 (5%); 63 (48%)
Trinity (109): 52 (48%); 13 (12%); 49 (45%)
Regis (79): 35 (44%); 6 (8%); 29 (37%)
Nightingale (57): 24 (42%); 1 (2%); 22 (39%)
Riverdale (128): 53 (41%); 11 (9%); 48 (38%)
Hunter (114): 46 (40%); 12 (11%); 42 (37%)
Browning (27): 10 (37%); 2 (7%); 10 (37%)
Packer (92): 28 (30%); 3 (3%); 23 (25%)
Fieldston (141): 42 (30%); 12 (9%); 40 (28%)
Friends Seminary (39): 11 (28%); 2 (5%); 10 (26%)
CGPS (119): 32 (27%); 3 (3%); 28 (24%)
Dwight-Englewood (124): 31 (25%); 8 (6%); 28 (23%)
Avenues (91): 21 (23%); 4 (4%); 20 (22%)
Trevor (87): 16 (18%); 1 (1%); 16 (18%)
Berkeley Carroll (77): 14 (18%); 0 (0%); 9 (12%)
Poly Prep (123): 22 (18%); 2 (2%); 22 (18%)
Grace Church (80): 14 (18%); 1 (1%); 13 (16%)
Sacred Heart (61): 10 (16%); 2 (3%); 10 (16%)
Marymount (70): 8 (11%); 1 (1%); 7 (10%)
Brooklyn Friends (48): 5 (10%); 0 (0%); 3 (6%)

H/Y/P/S/M = Harvard + Yale + Princeton + Stanford + MIT
Ivy+ = Ivy League + Stanford + MIT + Caltech + UChicago + Duke + Johns Hopkins + Northwestern + Vanderbilt
Ivy+WASP = Ivy+ + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona

Actual data from schools' websites. 5 year averages where available, otherwise, latest year(s) available averaged.

School N/yr Ivy+WASP H/Y/P/S/M Ivy+ Years (Averaged)
Brearley 61 60% 19% 53% 2021-2025
Spence 64 54% 17% 50% 2021-2025
Dalton 87 52% 16% 48% 2019-2024
Riverdale 116 46% 11% 43% 2020-2025
Saint Ann's 86 45% 13% 35% 2024-2025
Chapin 60 43% 11% 38% 2021-2025
Nightingale 57 33% 6% 28% 2021-2025
Fieldston 120 28% 3% 24% 2020-2025
Browning 25 25% 3% 23% 2021-2025
Regis 130 25% 6% 22% 2022-2025
Friends Seminary 74 24% 5% 21% 2021-2025
Packer 96 19% 5% 16% 2021-2025
Avenues 91 19% 3% 17% 2023
Dwight-Englewood 124 17% 3% 16% 2023-2025
Sacred Heart 56 16% 3% 15% 2021-2025
Poly Prep 128 15% 2% 12% 2021-2025
Marymount 50 14% 3% 13% 2020-2024

Horace Mann 180 42% 6% 42% 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students

BCS, BFS, CGPS, GCS, Hunter, Trevor, Trinity don't report #s, just schools.

I believe Collegiate also reports 5-year data on it's website.

School (N/yr): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+ | Years
Brearley (61): 60%; 19%; 53% | 2021-2025
Spence (64): 54%; 17%; 50% | 2021-2025
Collegiate (52): 52%; 12%; 48% | 2020-2024
Dalton (87): 52%; 16%; 48% | 2019-2024
Riverdale (116): 46%; 11%; 43% | 2020-2025
Saint Ann's (86): 45%; 13%; 35% | 2024-2025
Chapin (60): 43%; 11%; 38% | 2021-2025
Nightingale (57): 33%; 6%; 28% | 2021-2025
Fieldston (120): 28%; 3%; 24% | 2020-2025
Browning (25): 25%; 3%; 23% | 2021-2025
Regis (130): 25%; 6%; 22% | 2022-2025
Friends Seminary (74): 24%; 5%; 21% | 2021-2025
Packer (96): 19%; 5%; 16% | 2021-2025
Avenues (91): 19%; 3%; 17% | 2023
Dwight-Englewood (124): 17%; 3%; 16% | 2023-2025
Sacred Heart (56): 16%; 3%; 15% | 2021-2025
Poly Prep (128): 15%; 2%; 12% | 2021-2025
Marymount (50): 14%; 3%; 13% | 2020-2024

Horace Mann (180): 42%; 6%; 42% | 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; badges <5 students

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know what it's like coming out of public in nyc, but coming out of private, you can be in the bottom 25% of the class and get into Tufts.

And maybe this is the value in private? It puts in a bottom. You may not be going to HYP but you won't end up at (insert a college ranked 100 )

A friend of mine has a daughter that grinded it out in a upper middle class nyc suburb. all sorts of EC. 4.0 GPA. good ACT score. Tufts was the best school she got into.
(and loves it, which is important!). tough 4 years.

versus being middle of the pack at a 2T school and getting into Tufts or being in the bottom quartile at a TT and getting into Tufts.

the optionality of a better college with the "floor" of tufts is worth $300k to me if the alternative is a miserable 4 years fighting for each .01 on GPA at a top suburban school.
Others make a different choice.

Depends on what you do with the $300k from my experience. Many Ivy grads have to grind well into their 40's to make it worth it. Not everyone is going to reach the top of the pyramid in their field.

it's just over 5% of our net worth (for two kids to private high school). so while theoretically i understand the save $300k and put it into the stock market and give the kids $1mm when they graduate (although i think the math is less than $1mm but i get your point) - in reality that's not how it works for the majority of people putting their kids in private school.

do we love writing the $150k a check. Nope. but it's a one time (actually 4x) event. we move on. it's not really changing our lifestyle either way. we don't really spend our earnings completely anyway.

and it's the floor of Tufts that was the discussion, the Ivy potentially - that was just the cherry on top if it happened to be the case.

The suburb kid will come to learn grit and resilience through their HS experience, while you might have your child pick up rich kid habits (relying on parent's money) at the private HS. I don't think you will be able to magically turnoff the spending once you go down that path. They will want the same as their peer group. As an adult it takes a level of maturity to be able to handle the wealth disparity that is in your face while living in NYC, I don't know if I would want to subject my child (less mature) to it.

I am pp. grew up in the burbs. Loved it. And so agree on the kids. On the one hand I feel like they are spoiled entitled kids but I don’t want them to go thru the suburban hs experience. (The college game part).

I don’t think the wealth thing in nyc as big of a deal. We are comfortable. But not nyc wealthy. Not even close. But it doesn’t impact us day to day.

It is fairly direct when people ask what you do for a living and where you live. Ask where you summer and if you are in the Hamptons on the weekend. The schools are also very direct with how they fundraise and seating arrangement at the gala.

Anonymous wrote:The kids get fixated on wealth and talk about it non-stop. The only other place I remember kids this age talking about money this much was Great Neck.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know what it's like coming out of public in nyc, but coming out of private, you can be in the bottom 25% of the class and get into Tufts.

And maybe this is the value in private? It puts in a bottom. You may not be going to HYP but you won't end up at (insert a college ranked 100 )

A friend of mine has a daughter that grinded it out in a upper middle class nyc suburb. all sorts of EC. 4.0 GPA. good ACT score. Tufts was the best school she got into.
(and loves it, which is important!). tough 4 years.

versus being middle of the pack at a 2T school and getting into Tufts or being in the bottom quartile at a TT and getting into Tufts.

the optionality of a better college with the "floor" of tufts is worth $300k to me if the alternative is a miserable 4 years fighting for each .01 on GPA at a top suburban school.
Others make a different choice.

Depends on what you do with the $300k from my experience. Many Ivy grads have to grind well into their 40's to make it worth it. Not everyone is going to reach the top of the pyramid in their field.

it's just over 5% of our net worth (for two kids to private high school). so while theoretically i understand the save $300k and put it into the stock market and give the kids $1mm when they graduate (although i think the math is less than $1mm but i get your point) - in reality that's not how it works for the majority of people putting their kids in private school.

do we love writing the $150k a check. Nope. but it's a one time (actually 4x) event. we move on. it's not really changing our lifestyle either way. we don't really spend our earnings completely anyway.

and it's the floor of Tufts that was the discussion, the Ivy potentially - that was just the cherry on top if it happened to be the case.

The suburb kid will come to learn grit and resilience through their HS experience, while you might have your child pick up rich kid habits (relying on parent's money) at the private HS. I don't think you will be able to magically turnoff the spending once you go down that path. They will want the same as their peer group. As an adult it takes a level of maturity to be able to handle the wealth disparity that is in your face while living in NYC, I don't know if I would want to subject my child (less mature) to it.

I am pp. grew up in the burbs. Loved it. And so agree on the kids. On the one hand I feel like they are spoiled entitled kids but I don’t want them to go thru the suburban hs experience. (The college game part).

I don’t think the wealth thing in nyc as big of a deal. We are comfortable. But not nyc wealthy. Not even close. But it doesn’t impact us day to day.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know what it's like coming out of public in nyc, but coming out of private, you can be in the bottom 25% of the class and get into Tufts.

And maybe this is the value in private? It puts in a bottom. You may not be going to HYP but you won't end up at (insert a college ranked 100 )

A friend of mine has a daughter that grinded it out in a upper middle class nyc suburb. all sorts of EC. 4.0 GPA. good ACT score. Tufts was the best school she got into.
(and loves it, which is important!). tough 4 years.

versus being middle of the pack at a 2T school and getting into Tufts or being in the bottom quartile at a TT and getting into Tufts.

the optionality of a better college with the "floor" of tufts is worth $300k to me if the alternative is a miserable 4 years fighting for each .01 on GPA at a top suburban school.
Others make a different choice.

Depends on what you do with the $300k from my experience. Many Ivy grads have to grind well into their 40's to make it worth it. Not everyone is going to reach the top of the pyramid in their field.

it's just over 5% of our net worth (for two kids to private high school). so while theoretically i understand the save $300k and put it into the stock market and give the kids $1mm when they graduate (although i think the math is less than $1mm but i get your point) - in reality that's not how it works for the majority of people putting their kids in private school.

do we love writing the $150k a check. Nope. but it's a one time (actually 4x) event. we move on. it's not really changing our lifestyle either way. we don't really spend our earnings completely anyway.

and it's the floor of Tufts that was the discussion, the Ivy potentially - that was just the cherry on top if it happened to be the case.

The suburb kid will come to learn grit and resilience through their HS experience, while you might have your child pick up rich kid habits (relying on parent's money) at the private HS. I don't think you will be able to magically turnoff the spending once you go down that path. They will want the same as their peer group. As an adult it takes a level of maturity to be able to handle the wealth disparity that is in your face while living in NYC, I don't know if I would want to subject my child (less mature) to it.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know what it's like coming out of public in nyc, but coming out of private, you can be in the bottom 25% of the class and get into Tufts.

And maybe this is the value in private? It puts in a bottom. You may not be going to HYP but you won't end up at (insert a college ranked 100 )

A friend of mine has a daughter that grinded it out in a upper middle class nyc suburb. all sorts of EC. 4.0 GPA. good ACT score. Tufts was the best school she got into.
(and loves it, which is important!). tough 4 years.

versus being middle of the pack at a 2T school and getting into Tufts or being in the bottom quartile at a TT and getting into Tufts.

the optionality of a better college with the "floor" of tufts is worth $300k to me if the alternative is a miserable 4 years fighting for each .01 on GPA at a top suburban school.
Others make a different choice.

Depends on what you do with the $300k from my experience. Many Ivy grads have to grind well into their 40's to make it worth it. Not everyone is going to reach the top of the pyramid in their field.

it's just over 5% of our net worth (for two kids to private high school). so while theoretically i understand the save $300k and put it into the stock market and give the kids $1mm when they graduate (although i think the math is less than $1mm but i get your point) - in reality that's not how it works for the majority of people putting their kids in private school.

do we love writing the $150k a check. Nope. but it's a one time (actually 4x) event. we move on. it's not really changing our lifestyle either way. we don't really spend our earnings completely anyway.

and it's the floor of Tufts that was the discussion, the Ivy potentially - that was just the cherry on top if it happened to be the case.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know what it's like coming out of public in nyc, but coming out of private, you can be in the bottom 25% of the class and get into Tufts.

And maybe this is the value in private? It puts in a bottom. You may not be going to HYP but you won't end up at (insert a college ranked 100 )

A friend of mine has a daughter that grinded it out in a upper middle class nyc suburb. all sorts of EC. 4.0 GPA. good ACT score. Tufts was the best school she got into.
(and loves it, which is important!). tough 4 years.

versus being middle of the pack at a 2T school and getting into Tufts or being in the bottom quartile at a TT and getting into Tufts.

the optionality of a better college with the "floor" of tufts is worth $300k to me if the alternative is a miserable 4 years fighting for each .01 on GPA at a top suburban school.
Others make a different choice.

The other side of that coin, though, is that when you’re at one of these schools (I’m a trin grad, kids at dalton), you’re not competing with other schools. Your competition is almost solely internal: your extremely competitive, remarkably gifted (and sometimes extraordinarily well-connected) classmates. So, while the floor may be higher (it truly is, in my grad year, mid students with b’s and c’s got into michigan and emory, etc.), the bar to clear for admissions to top colleges is also significantly higher, which leads to an ungodly amount of stress and pressure. A lot of kids who, had the gone to a public school and thrived, could have potentially gotten into ivy+ rather than some of the places they ended up.

These are the tradeoffs. I really did not enjoy school so much, however I did adore my college experience.

People underestimate the tip top kids at good publics in nyc. The schools that use SHSAT or take tier 1 kids (hate to use tier again, but this is the term publics use). I have a kid at a top private and I hear a LOT of parents say, "he'd be in the top of the class at our public school". as a person who went to public school, I say, bullshit! He'd be top 10%, maybe. But from most publics, that aint getting you into an ivy. Unless you have a kid who is in the top 10% of the class at a private, I have no reason to think you'd be the top kid at beacon or Elro or Millennium or Brooklyn tech. None. And the top 10% in private can get into HYP anyway so who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know what it's like coming out of public in nyc, but coming out of private, you can be in the bottom 25% of the class and get into Tufts.

And maybe this is the value in private? It puts in a bottom. You may not be going to HYP but you won't end up at (insert a college ranked 100 )

A friend of mine has a daughter that grinded it out in a upper middle class nyc suburb. all sorts of EC. 4.0 GPA. good ACT score. Tufts was the best school she got into.
(and loves it, which is important!). tough 4 years.

versus being middle of the pack at a 2T school and getting into Tufts or being in the bottom quartile at a TT and getting into Tufts.

the optionality of a better college with the "floor" of tufts is worth $300k to me if the alternative is a miserable 4 years fighting for each .01 on GPA at a top suburban school.
Others make a different choice.

The other side of that coin, though, is that when you’re at one of these schools (I’m a trin grad, kids at dalton), you’re not competing with other schools. Your competition is almost solely internal: your extremely competitive, remarkably gifted (and sometimes extraordinarily well-connected) classmates. So, while the floor may be higher (it truly is, in my grad year, mid students with b’s and c’s got into michigan and emory, etc.), the bar to clear for admissions to top colleges is also significantly higher, which leads to an ungodly amount of stress and pressure. A lot of kids who, had the gone to a public school and thrived, could have potentially gotten into ivy+ rather than some of the places they ended up.

These are the tradeoffs. I really did not enjoy school so much, however I did adore my college experience.

People underestimate the tip top kids at good publics in nyc. The schools that use SHSAT or take tier 1 kids (hate to use tier again, but this is the term publics use). I have a kid at a top private and I hear a LOT of parents say, "he'd be in the top of the class at our public school". as a person who went to public school, I say, bullshit! He'd be top 10%, maybe. But from most publics, that aint getting you into an ivy. Unless you have a kid who is in the top 10% of the class at a private, I have no reason to think you'd be the top kid at beacon or Elro or Millennium or Brooklyn tech. None. And the top 10% in private can get into HYP anyway so who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:not meaningful. a lot of people would put ND, CMU, UVA or Georgetown over Tufts, USC, Texas, Wellesley or Barnard.

I mean .. Tufts? Really?

Yes, all of those are above Tufts, USC, Texas, Wellesley and Barnard.

I think you're missing her point. Adding more schools increases every school's %, but what's the point, to get everyone to 100%? The ranking doesn't really move.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont know what it's like coming out of public in nyc, but coming out of private, you can be in the bottom 25% of the class and get into Tufts.

And maybe this is the value in private? It puts in a bottom. You may not be going to HYP but you won't end up at (insert a college ranked 100 )

A friend of mine has a daughter that grinded it out in a upper middle class nyc suburb. all sorts of EC. 4.0 GPA. good ACT score. Tufts was the best school she got into.
(and loves it, which is important!). tough 4 years.

versus being middle of the pack at a 2T school and getting into Tufts or being in the bottom quartile at a TT and getting into Tufts.

the optionality of a better college with the "floor" of tufts is worth $300k to me if the alternative is a miserable 4 years fighting for each .01 on GPA at a top suburban school.
Others make a different choice.

The other side of that coin, though, is that when you’re at one of these schools (I’m a trin grad, kids at dalton), you’re not competing with other schools. Your competition is almost solely internal: your extremely competitive, remarkably gifted (and sometimes extraordinarily well-connected) classmates. So, while the floor may be higher (it truly is, in my grad year, mid students with b’s and c’s got into michigan and emory, etc.), the bar to clear for admissions to top colleges is also significantly higher, which leads to an ungodly amount of stress and pressure. A lot of kids who, had the gone to a public school and thrived, could have potentially gotten into ivy+ rather than some of the places they ended up.

These are the tradeoffs. I really did not enjoy school so much, however I did adore my college experience.

Anonymous wrote:If you cruised through four years of high school to get into Tufts, then cruise through another four years at Tufts, then what? I am not sure merely getting into Tufts means anything. Why do you think this is a good option? PP?

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Anonymous wrote:Only these schools changed adding MIT: Spence +1, Dalton +1, Regis +2, Hunter +2, Fieldston +1.

Also added Hunter, Browning, and Dwight-Englewood

School (N): Ivy+WASP; H/Y/P/S/M; Ivy+

Brearley (46): 36 (78%); 14 (30%); 32 (70%)
Spence (64): 41 (64%); 12 (19%); 38 (59%)
Chapin (52): 32 (62%); 6 (12%); 28 (54%)
Dalton (59): 33 (56%); 13 (22%); 32 (54%)
Saint Ann's (73): 36 (49%); 7 (10%); 27 (37%)
Horace Mann (131): 64 (49%); 6 (5%); 63 (48%)
Trinity (109): 52 (48%); 13 (12%); 49 (45%)
Regis (79): 35 (44%); 6 (8%); 29 (37%)
Nightingale (57): 24 (42%); 1 (2%); 22 (39%)
Riverdale (128): 53 (41%); 11 (9%); 48 (38%)
Hunter (114): 46 (40%); 12 (11%); 42 (37%)
Browning (27): 10 (37%); 2 (7%); 10 (37%)
Packer (92): 28 (30%); 3 (3%); 23 (25%)
Fieldston (141): 42 (30%); 12 (9%); 40 (28%)
Friends Seminary (39): 11 (28%); 2 (5%); 10 (26%)
CGPS (119): 32 (27%); 3 (3%); 28 (24%)
Dwight-Englewood (124): 31 (25%); 8 (6%); 28 (23%)
Avenues (91): 21 (23%); 4 (4%); 20 (22%)
Trevor (87): 16 (18%); 1 (1%); 16 (18%)
Berkeley Carroll (77): 14 (18%); 0 (0%); 9 (12%)
Poly Prep (123): 22 (18%); 2 (2%); 22 (18%)
Grace Church (80): 14 (18%); 1 (1%); 13 (16%)
Sacred Heart (61): 10 (16%); 2 (3%); 10 (16%)
Marymount (70): 8 (11%); 1 (1%); 7 (10%)
Brooklyn Friends (48): 5 (10%); 0 (0%); 3 (6%)

H/Y/P/S/M = Harvard + Yale + Princeton + Stanford + MIT
Ivy+ = Ivy League + Stanford + MIT + Caltech + UChicago + Duke + Johns Hopkins + Northwestern + Vanderbilt
Ivy+WASP = Ivy+ + Williams + Amherst + Swarthmore + Pomona

Actual data from schools' websites. 5 year averages where available, otherwise, latest year(s) available averaged.

School N/yr Ivy+WASP H/Y/P/S/M Ivy+ Years (Averaged)
Brearley 61 60% 19% 53% 2021-2025
Spence 64 54% 17% 50% 2021-2025
Dalton 87 52% 16% 48% 2019-2024
Riverdale 116 46% 11% 43% 2020-2025
Saint Ann's 86 45% 13% 35% 2024-2025
Chapin 60 43% 11% 38% 2021-2025
Nightingale 57 33% 6% 28% 2021-2025
Fieldston 120 28% 3% 24% 2020-2025
Browning 25 25% 3% 23% 2021-2025
Regis 130 25% 6% 22% 2022-2025
Friends Seminary 74 24% 5% 21% 2021-2025
Packer 96 19% 5% 16% 2021-2025
Avenues 91 19% 3% 17% 2023
Dwight-Englewood 124 17% 3% 16% 2023-2025
Sacred Heart 56 16% 3% 15% 2021-2025
Poly Prep 128 15% 2% 12% 2021-2025
Marymount 50 14% 3% 13% 2020-2024

Horace Mann 180 42% 6% 42% 2023-2025 *** lower bound; missing Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams; <5 students

BCS, BFS, CGPS, GCS, Hunter, Trevor, Trinity don't report #s, just schools.

Woow this is much more meaningful data! Thanks for putting this together

she still won't add the other colleges. this is Ivy+ or bust mom!

What's your guess which schools move up and which move down if she added 5-10 more schools? I can't imagine much changes.

it changes the data to show how broadly the schools do - this Ivy plus WASP is a very tight definition.

For example, CGPS has 67 kids (out of 120) going to the ivy plus wasp PLUS - emory, washu, berkley, ucla, michigan, texas, rice (and i think i included tufts and usc in here as well).

versus 32 i believe they had for ivy plus wasp. so another 25% (35 kids) or so going to what most would say are really good schools.

if you just use the ivy plus wasp you are really just narrowing now the list and of course the top schools will be doing better.

These are really excellent schools. I'd agree adding them but they are also not difficult to get into from NYC schools.
Many T2 send multiple students to Emory, WashU, Michigan each year.
Same thing for LACs, why only WASP? Wellesley, Barnard, Bowdoin are all excellent schools.

Ok - one time analysis, because it doesn't really change the order much, right?

Ivy+24 = Ivies + Stanford, MIT, Caltech, UChicago, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Emory, WashU, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Texas, Rice, Tufts, USC, Wellesley, Barnard, Bowdoin

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Spence: 87.5%
Brearley: 84.8%
Chapin: 75.0%
Dalton: 71.2%
Riverdale: 67.2%
Saint Ann's: 65.8%
Horace Mann: 65.6%
Trinity: 64.2%
Nightingale: 63.2%
Hunter: 52.6%
Fieldston: 52.5%
Packer: 51.1%
Regis: 50.6%
CGPS: 50.4%
Friends Seminary: 48.7%
Browning: 48.1%
Avenues: 42.9%
Dwight-Englewood: 41.1%
Berkeley Carroll: 40.3%
Poly Prep: 36.6%
Grace Church: 32.5%
Trevor: 32.2%
Marymount: 25.7%
Sacred Heart: 21.3%
Brooklyn Friends: 16.7%

Up:
• Riverdale: #10 → #5, +5 spots. 41.4% → 67.2%. This is the biggest beneficiary: +33 added-school kids.
• Fieldston: #14 → #11, +3. 29.8% → 52.5%. +32 added-school kids.
• CGPS: #16 → #14, +2. 26.9% → 50.4%. +28 added-school kids.
• Packer / Poly / Hunter / Grace / Berkeley Carroll / Marymount each +1.

Down:
• Regis: #8 → #13, -5. 44.3% → 50.6%, but only +5 from the expanded bucket, so it gets passed.
• Browning: #12 → #16, -4. 37.0% → 48.1%, only +3.
• Trevor: #19 → #22, -3. 18.4% → 32.2%, decent absolute lift but not enough vs others.
• Brearley slips #1 → #2 only because Spence has huge Tufts/expanded-bucket lift

Is this meaningful?

Question becomes what happened to Trinity and HM ? They have such an academic rigor reputation but now being the lowest 2 among all TTs.