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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.

African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.

Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

Misinformation there. Bad site.

That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.

Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.

How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.

FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.

So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data

Because gun control is a political thing, to disarm your political opponents so they can be rounded up. Always been that way. So the Socialists skew data to fit an agenda.

so anyone can define a mass shooting however they want.

It's a pointless term and only for propaganda purposes. It has been worn out, nobody cares now.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.

African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.

Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

Misinformation there. Bad site.

That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.

Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.

How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.

FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.

So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data

Because gun control is a political thing, to disarm your political opponents so they can be rounded up. Always been that way. So the Socialists skew data to fit an agenda.

NRA lobbyists thwart any sort of government research or standardized data collection related to gun violence, so anyone can define a mass shooting however they want.

Curious how old are you? NRA hasn't been a big lobby thing really in 2 decades. They basically do nothing. Just a club.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.

African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.

Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

Misinformation there. Bad site.

That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.

Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.

How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.

FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.

So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data

Because gun control is a political thing, to disarm your political opponents so they can be rounded up. Always been that way. So the Socialists skew data to fit an agenda.

so anyone can define a mass shooting however they want.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.

African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.

Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

Misinformation there. Bad site.

That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.

Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.

How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.

FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.

So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data

Because gun control is a political thing, to disarm your political opponents so they can be rounded up. Always been that way. So the Socialists skew data to fit an agenda.

NRA lobbyists thwart any sort of government research or standardized data collection related to gun violence, so anyone can define a mass shooting however they want.

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Anonymous wrote:If all social media experienced an outage for 10 years, including so called "news" media (Not including somewhat real news orgs like CNN), I bet the number of mass shooting events would go way down.

I agree that social contagion is a thing. I believe the Georgia one last year, the shooter was following Fan accounts of past shootings.

I truly don’t understand why there isn’t more of an outcry about the role of social media/internet sites in schools shootings and mass shootings.

For public safety the identity of the shooter and specific details of the shooting should be censored. It isn’t just if we banned assault weapons we would all be safe. It would be helpful but over time if nothing is done about restricting content online new methods will crop up.

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Anonymous wrote:If all social media experienced an outage for 10 years, including so called "news" media (Not including somewhat real news orgs like CNN), I bet the number of mass shooting events would go way down.

I agree that social contagion is a thing. I believe the Georgia one last year, the shooter was following Fan accounts of past shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.

African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.

Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

Misinformation there. Bad site.

That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.

Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.

How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.

FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.

So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data

Because gun control is a political thing, to disarm your political opponents so they can be rounded up. Always been that way. So the Socialists skew data to fit an agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.

African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.

Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

Misinformation there. Bad site.

That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.

Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.

How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.

FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.

So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data

Anonymous wrote:If all social media experienced an outage for 10 years, including so called "news" media (Not including somewhat real news orgs like CNN), I bet the number of mass shooting events would go way down.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.

African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.

Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

Misinformation there. Bad site.

That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.

Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.

How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.

FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.

So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data

No one said they were unimportant. All human lives are important.

How you examine data depends on the question you are trying to answer. And if you are trying to prove a point, your data should be relevant to that point.

You are a pot stirrer, huh.

(DP). I agree. More than half of these school shooters are white and they are overwhelmingly male. I think that’s worth exploring. Is it something in white culture? Is there something in non-white cultures that discourages school shooters?

The fact that Black / non-white males are more often the perpetrators of gang violence / domestic violence (if true) seems irrelevant here. But, that’s certainly a conversation that society should be having too, just not here.

There are metal detectors in the black and Hispanic schools to prevent shootings. Schools in the inner city are ironically safer this way. Maybe instead of gay pride lessons, metal detectors can help suburban schools

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Anonymous wrote:If all social media experienced an outage for 10 years, including so called "news" media (Not including somewhat real news orgs like CNN), I bet the number of mass shooting events would go way down.

I agree that social contagion is a thing. I believe the Georgia one last year, the shooter was following Fan accounts of past shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:As usual conservatives will blame the trans community, mental health treatments like SSRIs etc and liberals will call for gun control. No changes in any of these areas are realistically achievable, and discussion will end after about a week. All forgotten until the next time this happens.

My question is why is there so little discussion about enhanced security at schools? Which is actually achievable?? For example: at my kids’ old elementary school the gate is locked during school hours and visitors need to enter through the office. That is the extent of their “security” which is basically worthless. A gunman could just enter the office, take out the front desk ladies and then have free access to the entire school. No security personnel either. Their current high school is the exact same setup but they do have a police officer on site (whose office is somewhere in the back of the school). WHY is this?! Why aren’t there additional security procedures and why can basically anyone enter the front office?

It is my understanding that the church doors were locked during mass, as a security procedure, or this recent event could have been far worse.

My kids’ preschool (over a decade ago) had all doors locked during the day, with a video camera at the main entry door- with security needing to visualize and speak to you before the door was remotely unlocked. Apartment complexes have had such technology for decades.

But most public schools have, basically, no security at all. Anyone with a gun can pretty much waltz in and have free reign. Why?

It certainly wouldn’t prevent everything, but why does nothing seem to be done at all? These are all easy things.

This is not true where I live. All schools are locked and you have to show ID to a camera outside before being let in. And then you go through a metal detector, at least in the middle and high schools. God, just typing that out is so depressing.

Most schools don’t have metal detectors but they do have everything else listed. None of these things would have helped in this case since they went through the windows. The only thing I think would keep someone off the premises is a high gate and multiple security personnel. Prison like conditions

And then even if you do that what happens if they can shoot through onto the playground when the kids are at recess. What about bus loading/unloading. Field trips.

Sounds like the kids need guns to shoot back...

At least the administration should be armed, and some competent faculty who choose to be armed. Not the Karen teachers who would just freeze up.

Oh Gee let's fill the schools with more guns What could possibly go wrong...

You gun nuts are absolutely bonkers and demented.

Many schools do have armed staff. Several hundred school districts have them and had them for years. Never been a mass shooting in any of them, and some were stopped almost instantly.

When you say staff, do you mean teachers. That is F-d up. If you don't think it is, you are F'd up. Our kids have to deal with this sh*t because of all you gun fetishists.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

This isn't about Trans so shut the hell up.

Over 54% of all violent crimes in this country are perpetrated by good old White Christian Males.

It is time that MAGA accepts their boys are sick. Their boys grow up to rape small children. Yeah, especially the church going ones. Yep those church boys sure do have an issue with child porn, killing school children with guns and sexual assault. Not like the government website doesn't have these stats.

You sound sick. You might want to get some help.

And yes, trans is definitely a problem.

Nope. majority of mass shooters are not trans, their are regular old white males. PP is correct. You are deflecting and no one is buying it.

African Americans. Around 80-90%.

Now "school shooters" DO trend white male, usually bi or gay/trans.

Mass shooters are 54% white, 95% male.
https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

Misinformation there. Bad site.

That website has a very narrow definition of “mass shooter” (has to be in a public place, has to be random victims, etc). And in those circumstances, it’s 54% white. So I think that’s why, when we hear about a random shooting at a school, we do immediately think “white guy” and often we’re correct.

But yes, the other pp is correct that if you are just talking about people who kill more than 1 person, so you capture gang violence and domestics, the percentage of whites goes down.

Stop moving the goal posts. When people talk about mass shooter they mean that definition (public, random victims). They aren't talking about gang violence. It's a different category and you know it.

How do you differentiate it?

4 people killed/injured excluding the shooter seems to be the standard used by most media organizations.

FBI document linked above specify that active shooter incidents doesn't include gang violence, domestic violence etc. See for yourself.

So those deaths are unimportant?

Seems like a very selective way to view the data

No one said they were unimportant. All human lives are important.

How you examine data depends on the question you are trying to answer. And if you are trying to prove a point, your data should be relevant to that point.

You are a pot stirrer, huh.

(DP). I agree. More than half of these school shooters are white and they are overwhelmingly male. I think that’s worth exploring. Is it something in white culture? Is there something in non-white cultures that discourages school shooters?

The fact that Black / non-white males are more often the perpetrators of gang violence / domestic violence (if true) seems irrelevant here. But, that’s certainly a conversation that society should be having too, just not here.