Anonymous
03/17/2026 06:56
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.
Why are you so rigid? Do you have some sort of personality disorder?
My highly organized WWII Marine Corps father was extremely organized -- until he wasn't.
He became ill, and between the hospital and then the rehab place and finally assisted living, his papers and wallet went missing.
He was not well enough to go to the DMV for a new ID. Because he was already in the system, his Senior Center picture ID was deemed enough.
But that shouldn't be a reason to bar him from voting.
You might be arguing with the voting equivalent of the weirdo that constantly posts in the mass immigration thread, justifying all of the expense and the illegal horrors by ICE by posting that ICE occasionally accidentally grabs an actual criminal.
Same here. Completely dedicated to disenfranchising millions of voters to solve an imaginary problem.
They are either pathologically damaged and obsessed, or it’s a bot.
Maybe it’s the same poster!
Anonymous
03/17/2026 06:51
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.
Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.
I am a professional, non-dementia addled woman and I have no clue where my marriage certificate is. Not a clue. I don't remember ever even laying eyes on it. It isn't something I figured I would ever need again.
Lucky for me, I didn't change my maiden name when I got married.
Anonymous
03/17/2026 06:44
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
I don’t think a marriage certificate is required to apply for Medicare.
It is to change name for Social Security.
Which people do typically shortly after marriage. Your contention is if you had a document 45 years ago it’s easy to get now? Great— where is your kindergarten report card?
And all of this argument is predicated on a false assumption. Nowhere in the SAVE act does it say a marriage license will be accepted as additional documentation. It doesn’t matter how easy or hard it is to find.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 23:43
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.
Why are you so rigid? Do you have some sort of personality disorder?
My highly organized WWII Marine Corps father was extremely organized -- until he wasn't.
He became ill, and between the hospital and then the rehab place and finally assisted living, his papers and wallet went missing.
He was not well enough to go to the DMV for a new ID. Because he was already in the system, his Senior Center picture ID was deemed enough.
But that shouldn't be a reason to bar him from voting.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 22:48
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. Which is precisely why the GOP should NOT want the SAVE Act to pass — older people tend to vote Republican, so why are they trying to disenfranchise them?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
LOL! Not true. Most are collecting Social Security. You have to have birth certificate for that--also if you changed your name, you needed marriage certificate. That is why all of this is so comical.
Have you visited a doctor? Do you know what you have to show for Medicare coverage? You need your Medicare card and a picture ID.
As Kamala says: Did you just fall out of a coconut tree?
then why did the GOP vote against a voter ID law the Dems offered a few years back? Maybe because THIS isn't a voter ID law.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 22:42
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
I don’t think a marriage certificate is required to apply for Medicare.
It is to change name for Social Security.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 22:32
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
I don’t think a marriage certificate is required to apply for Medicare.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 22:30
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.
Obviously nobody would purposely throw those documents away. You overestimate how organized everyone is.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 22:29
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.
You clearly do not associate with older people. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to help my mother find things in her house that she misplaced — and as I said upthread, I could not locate her marriage certificate at all when I cleaned out her house. She was 85. The last time she probably used her marriage certificate was when she applied for Medicare circa 20 years prior — if it was even required back then. You see, a driver’s license used to be a valid form of ID, but the SAVE Act wants to invalidate that.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 22:21
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
Do you really th8nk they would throw documents away? They understand their importance.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 21:52
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
. You mean HAD documentation, which they may not have anymore, particularly if they moved.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 21:51
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
It’s harder for some than others, and no effort us being made to hide it. Are you aware Hegseth has posted remarks against women bring allowed to vote? What impact do you think those public postings have on the idea that the administration us trying to disenfranchise women?
There are counties who still haven't digitized records. Again this is primarily going to impact older people.
Getting rid of vote by mail disenfranchises servicemembers as well.
When a sitting member of the cabinet starts amplifying videos against service members and the elderly voting, I will believe that is who is being targeted. Trump’s cabinet says they don’t want women to vote: why shouldn’t i believe them?
If you know that to be true, then please cite the quote. FWIW. google is your friend. It is not true.
Here you go:
https://apnews.com/article/women-hegseth-defense-secretary-religion-d962f472910fb47a0c66cd37b01f550d
From the Secretary’s official X account.
LOL! That is not an endorsement of women not voting.
Huh? I watched the video he tweeted many times over in horror in disgust. The entire thing is about his.church's belief that women should be subservient to men and several church leaders discuss repealing the 19th. He tweeted the video with a religious praise type comment. He did later rescind after backlash, but I take the original posting as his true feelings on the matter. He attends that church and hosted that very church leader who believes in repealing the 19th to proselytize at the Pentagon.
It is disgusting. You cannot agree at least that this church's views toward women.are gross and unAmerican? Or you agree with them?
Anonymous
03/16/2026 21:50
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:. Which is precisely why the GOP should NOT want the SAVE Act to pass — older people tend to vote Republican, so why are they trying to disenfranchise them?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
LOL! Not true. Most are collecting Social Security. You have to have birth certificate for that--also if you changed your name, you needed marriage certificate. That is why all of this is so comical.
Have you visited a doctor? Do you know what you have to show for Medicare coverage? You need your Medicare card and a picture ID.
As Kamala says: Did you just fall out of a coconut tree?
The SAVE Act does not view Real ID as a valid ID, my friend. That’s the issue. You can go to the doctor and use your Real ID, but you will not be able to use it to vote. When a person signed up for Medicare, perhaps they had documents then, but I’m not aware that you have to show those documents annually. So when someone signed up for Medicare at 65 (or whatever the age is), they likely no longer have those documents with them — particularly if they downsized their home or moved into an assisted living facility. I recently cleaned out my parents’ house and never did come across their marriage certificate.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 21:46
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
Anonymous wrote:. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.
Any old person who is a citizen and on Medicare and Social Security has documentation to get a Smart ID. Now, if they have misplaced it, it might need to be replaced. But, they can easily get it because they needed it to get on Social Security.
Anonymous
03/16/2026 21:43
Subject: Re:How likely for save act to pass senate?
. I can be hard for older people, particularly those who are not good with technology. But go ahead and keep thinking this is going to work out for the GOP…Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine, Republicans go ahead and pass the voter suppression act. It will impact way more of you than democrats. More Dems have passports, more Dem have funds to get proper paperwork. We have organizations ready and willing to help. All the MAGA mommas gonna find out GOP wants you to shut up.
+1
Older women/elderly trend towards the GOP. I wonder how many of them have all their documents? How many of them live in rural areas where they don’t have internet and the nearest vital records office is 2 hours away?
When my FIL died my MIL needed copies of all her marriage certificate and such for Social Security and we dug through everything and couldn't find it. And then she couldn't remember which county or city they had gotten their license in, but we had to pay fees just for the various jurisdictions to look to see if they had it, then to get a copy. Fortunately Social security appeals took some other documentation we had because the whole process took months and months and hundreds of dollars.
States have an office of vital records.
Trust me we tried the state. They referred us back to the county office. It's very state dependent.
Maybe you should have tried this index:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm
Surprising that Social Security required her marriage certificate again. I had to use mine to change my name on Social Security. But, I still have it.
We tried everything, we even got a lawyer. We eventually got someone in appeals who took her secondary evidence.
Older people don't have all their documents in order, they can't remember what counties they got married in or were born in and it makes things messy.
That is an erroneous generalization. I've had a lot of experience with older people--they may not remember what they had for lunch, but they remember important life events.
But, would you have someone who cannot remember where she got married voting?
My MIL has since died but when this went down she was just 65. She just couldn't remember if the courthouse she went to 45 years ago was a city courthouse or state courthouse and the location she had gone to didn't exist anymore. She could remember the church they got married in and we had googled extensively. And when we did find it getting the documents off microfiche cost hundreds and took months. The county had moved it's records around.
It was also hard to.talk about this stuff at the time because she was distressed about her husband's death.
My own mom had some trouble getting a copy of her birth certificate in her 20s because she didn't know she was born one city over from where she grew up. The hospital had a pipe burst and the maternity ward was closed. No one had bothered to tell her until they couldn't find it.
Point is that this stuff can take months to fix and cost a lot of money.
Remarkable that both of your parents had such problems knowing information about their lives. Sad. Sad that there were no other family members who might have known.
My parents eloped and I know the town where they married. I guess they talked about their lives more than your family did.
Remarkable that you think this is a convincing point in favor of the legislation. Are you TRYING to foment opposition to it?
Remarkable that you think people cannot secure the documents they need. Go look at the link posted above. There are ways to get them. And, if it is not possible to get them through vital records, then you are going to have problems collecting Social Security. You will have to secure other documentation--and there are ways to do it.
This is not that hard.