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Anonymous wrote:You would think 20s and 30s can think for themselves.

This generation has done more than thinking for themselves. They have to put up with a lot of shit.

Umm… like what, exactly?

DP. You miserable people. Id be on Prozac to if some of these posters were my parents

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Anonymous wrote:Not typically in this channel, but I have to ask: can someone explain how the hell Kamala Harris managed to change the narrative about her amongst young people very sharply?

Like, less than a week ago, if you told the average young progressive voter that Kamala’s the next president they’d jump into a vat of hot oil while screaming “Cop!” And now she has memes all over Twitter about how amazing she is?!

They might not be the same people. Overall the young people want a younger candidate, just like the rest of us.

Or it’s a bunch of astroturf. Nobody likes Kamala. She is a well-recognized moron.

This. It is still beyond amusing to me that most Democrats wanted her off the ticket altogether just a year ago, because she was thought of as such a liability. But now, all of a sudden, liberal gaslighting kicks in again and she’s overnight become the best candidate ever. You know, from the same people who insisted Biden was fit and “sharp as a tack.” Too, too funny.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/09/the-case-for-biden-to-drop-kamala-harris.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4581043-with-or-without-biden-democrats-are-stuck-with-kamala-harris/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/11/how-americans-feel-about-kamala-harris-becoming-president/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/09/biden-kamala-harris-vice-president-democratic-primary-challengers.html

Well, times change.

Not really. This is still the same Kamala Harris that everyone - including Democrats - was embarrassed by a few short months (days!) ago. But the gaslighting continues. We are not to remember any of that.

You can remember that, but the context has changed.

People thought Biden was in good shape and likely to give Trump another whipping like he did in 2020.

The debate happened and people started panicking that he wasn't up to. Good news, he stepped down and Kamala stepped up. Some people are still concerned, but once we all saw how the party coalesced around here and how the grassroots started going bananas for her, our doubts were soothed.

Also, as MAGA nuts often like to point out, many, many, many Dems had been calling for this for awhile.

Your first two paragraphs are absolutely revisionist history. NO ONE believed Biden was in good shape - or thought he had any chance of “whipping” Trump. WELL before the debate, most Americans knew Biden was in serious decline - but Democrats refused to let anyone speak about it, and if they did, they were mocked, ostracized, and called trolls. It was only after the debate, when they could no longer keep up their lies, that calls for Biden to withdraw began.

The few Democrats who were brave enough to broach the subject early on - like Dean Phillips - were mocked mercilessly.

But what a rosy story you’ve spun - and I bet you actually believe it!

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the Trumper are twisting themselves into knots trying to find fault with Kamala Harris. They need to look at their own candidate. Nothing she has done or could ever do hold a candle to him and his crimes

“Trying to find fault”?? Hoo boy. If you were honest - which you’re not - you’d admit that the vast majority of Democrats were vocal about her being a complete drag on the campaign just a few short months ago.

The vast majority of Democrats have been walking around despondent because our party gave us little choice but to vote to nominate Biden even though most of us told them we think he's too old. We hadn't paid that much attention to Harris.

Now we have a coherent, energetic candidate who is not a felon and who definitely won't remove fda approval for the abortion pill or eliminate the Department of Ed and that is exciting because it is SO much better than the alternative.

The DNC aka the Saviors of democracy know best as party planners . They never make mistakes

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the Trumper are twisting themselves into knots trying to find fault with Kamala Harris. They need to look at their own candidate. Nothing she has done or could ever do hold a candle to him and his crimes

“Trying to find fault”?? Hoo boy. If you were honest - which you’re not - you’d admit that the vast majority of Democrats were vocal about her being a complete drag on the campaign just a few short months ago.

The vast majority of Democrats have been walking around despondent because our party gave us little choice but to vote to nominate Biden even though most of us told them we think he's too old. We hadn't paid that much attention to Harris.

Now we have a coherent, energetic candidate who is not a felon and who definitely won't remove fda approval for the abortion pill or eliminate the Department of Ed and that is exciting because it is SO much better than the alternative.

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I’m kinda scared that she’s pulling a lot of pop culture moves like HRC. She’s not as “smooth” as Obama, and people hyper criticize women as incompetent for trying to seem relatable

The whole “BRAT” thing is beyond embarrassing and pandering.

It really really annoyed me, and then I realized if I was 20 and scrolling on Twitter that a presidential candidate is casually boosting Charli XCX, I’d be pretty f-ing ecstatic to see someone who sorta gets it. I bet her young interns suggested it

It’s not ok. It’s as the kids say, super cringe .

You don’t want to see people your parents age using the new lingo and TikTok verbiage . It’s very cringe . Calling yourself a brat at 60 years old is super super embarrassing

Do you know any young people? I work with them everyday as a professor. They’re eating this up. We’re just old and sick of politicians not acting, you know, political.

Kids are smart and know when they’re being pandered to. If you started a lecture calling yourself a brat like Charli XCX, they’d laugh at you .

I dare you to try and see if you’re taken seriously by them .

Tulsi Gabbard was right. Kamala doesn’t know how to be herself in a campaign because she doesn’t know who she is and what she stands for . She’s an empty pantssuit with a nervous belly laugh and happy smile

I don’t really need to test trial my hipness. I’m not claiming Kamala to be Obama, but my students really like Obama (they make jokes about him bombing people which are out of pocket but they like him), because they like his cool dad energy and Spotify playlists of the year. For black students, she reminds them of their “aunties”- really any older person in the family who’s fun to be around. For my other students, they used to hate her for the constant laughing, but now they have taken her so unseriously that they genuinely like her. One of my students commented that she gives them “Leslie Knope energy, vibes…”

Growing up during an Obama-trump transition must make politics feel like one massive joke.

Obama had depth to counter his levity . He was a great orator . Could make fun of himself in the same way W Bush could.

Good comedic timing. Personable . I knew Barack’s whole life story when he made that stellar 2004 DNC speech/one of the best political star making speeches in history . Republicans even give him that. And he wrote that speech himself. Does the DNC on running a keynote speaker this year that has the same future promise to be the next one in charge?

He also ran on a message of hope and barely mentioned Bush or antagonized him by name something Bush really appreciated.

I can’t say Kamala has that same charm. She comes off as super antagonistic perhaps due to her trial lawyer days . Hillary had the same problem . If she continues to just talk about Donald Trump for most of her speeches , she will lose

She does not come off as antagonistic. Give me a break. She is always smiling. I liked Obama but he often came off as stiff.and low energy and his voice was very flat. If anything, she needs to tone down the exuberance. Her off-the-cuff remarks were she laughs too much make her look unserious and can be cringeworthy. I'm hoping she will get coaching to stop that. But overall she has positive energy and seems like she is a happy person. All that matters is how that contrasts with Trump. He is like a raging Rumpelstilskin figure at this point so she's got an advantage there.

I disagree, I ended up really appreciating Obama. He could joke when it was appropriate but then when he was serious he was captivating.

I need to watch more of Kamala to come to a conclusion about that aspect of her, but she seems like a relatively nice person who can be fun.

I just don’t like her policies. Or at least the policies she had in 2020. She needs to come out being much more restrictive on immigration. Just basing off of her 2020 stance… nope. Not going to vote for her.

If she switches things up on that then maybe. I mean there’s two main reasons I’m not a Democrat anymore and the biggest one is immigration. If they get more Trumpy on immigration but keep everything else I’d be as enthusiastic as I was when I walked myself to my local precinct to caucus for Bernie in 2016.

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I’m kinda scared that she’s pulling a lot of pop culture moves like HRC. She’s not as “smooth” as Obama, and people hyper criticize women as incompetent for trying to seem relatable

The whole “BRAT” thing is beyond embarrassing and pandering.

It really really annoyed me, and then I realized if I was 20 and scrolling on Twitter that a presidential candidate is casually boosting Charli XCX, I’d be pretty f-ing ecstatic to see someone who sorta gets it. I bet her young interns suggested it

It’s not ok. It’s as the kids say, super cringe .

You don’t want to see people your parents age using the new lingo and TikTok verbiage . It’s very cringe . Calling yourself a brat at 60 years old is super super embarrassing

Do you know any young people? I work with them everyday as a professor. They’re eating this up. We’re just old and sick of politicians not acting, you know, political.

Kids are smart and know when they’re being pandered to. If you started a lecture calling yourself a brat like Charli XCX, they’d laugh at you .

I dare you to try and see if you’re taken seriously by them .

Tulsi Gabbard was right. Kamala doesn’t know how to be herself in a campaign because she doesn’t know who she is and what she stands for . She’s an empty pantssuit with a nervous belly laugh and happy smile

I don’t really need to test trial my hipness. I’m not claiming Kamala to be Obama, but my students really like Obama (they make jokes about him bombing people which are out of pocket but they like him), because they like his cool dad energy and Spotify playlists of the year. For black students, she reminds them of their “aunties”- really any older person in the family who’s fun to be around. For my other students, they used to hate her for the constant laughing, but now they have taken her so unseriously that they genuinely like her. One of my students commented that she gives them “Leslie Knope energy, vibes…”

Growing up during an Obama-trump transition must make politics feel like one massive joke.

Obama had depth to counter his levity . He was a great orator . Could make fun of himself in the same way W Bush could.

Good comedic timing. Personable . I knew Barack’s whole life story when he made that stellar 2004 DNC speech/one of the best political star making speeches in history . Republicans even give him that. And he wrote that speech himself. Does the DNC on running a keynote speaker this year that has the same future promise to be the next one in charge?

He also ran on a message of hope and barely mentioned Bush or antagonized him by name something Bush really appreciated.

I can’t say Kamala has that same charm. She comes off as super antagonistic perhaps due to her trial lawyer days . Hillary had the same problem . If she continues to just talk about Donald Trump for most of her speeches , she will lose

She does not come off as antagonistic. Give me a break. She is always smiling. I liked Obama but he often came off as stiff.and low energy and his voice was very flat. If anything, she needs to tone down the exuberance. Her off-the-cuff remarks were she laughs too much make her look unserious and can be cringeworthy. I'm hoping she will get coaching to stop that. But overall she has positive energy and seems like she is a happy person. All that matters is how that contrasts with Trump. He is like a raging Rumpelstilskin figure at this point so she's got an advantage there.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the Trumper are twisting themselves into knots trying to find fault with Kamala Harris. They need to look at their own candidate. Nothing she has done or could ever do hold a candle to him and his crimes

“Trying to find fault”?? Hoo boy. If you were honest - which you’re not - you’d admit that the vast majority of Democrats were vocal about her being a complete drag on the campaign just a few short months ago.

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Anonymous wrote:You would think 20s and 30s can think for themselves.

This generation has done more than thinking for themselves. They have to put up with a lot of shit.

Seriously. Whenever you bring up young voters, people carry Harris’s opinions that “young people are stupid.” Pretty much all of their wanted policies are not going to be on the ticket for another 30 or 40 years. They also are the most hated part of the Democratic Party for being “woke.” And add some serious mental health issues, and you got a group of people desperate for some political attention

You’d have mental health issues too if your childhood was Columbine, 9/11, wars , school shooting drills, and adulthood was college debt being the first mortgage they have fresh out of school at 22.

It’s a miracle that generation isn’t storming the Capitol every day to be quite honest

NP. Yeah, that’s so much worse than the Vietnam war, imminent threat of nuclear war, Kent State, stagflation, etc. Or the Korean War, or WW2. 🙄

I do not understand why the victim complex is so strong in this generation. Every generation had serious battles they face.

I’m not part of the generations that grew up with any of the above, before you predictably lash out with your ageist response.

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Anonymous wrote:You would think 20s and 30s can think for themselves.

This generation has done more than thinking for themselves. They have to put up with a lot of shit.

Seriously. Whenever you bring up young voters, people carry Harris’s opinions that “young people are stupid.” Pretty much all of their wanted policies are not going to be on the ticket for another 30 or 40 years. They also are the most hated part of the Democratic Party for being “woke.” And add some serious mental health issues, and you got a group of people desperate for some political attention

You’d have mental health issues too if your childhood was Columbine, 9/11, wars , school shooting drills, and adulthood was college debt being the first mortgage they have fresh out of school at 22.

It’s a miracle that generation isn’t storming the Capitol every day to be quite honest

NP. Yeah, that’s so much worse than the Vietnam war, imminent threat of nuclear war, Kent State, stagflation, etc. Or the Korean War, or WW2. 🙄

I do not understand why the victim complex is so strong in this generation. Every generation had serious battles they face.

I’m not part of the generations that grew up with any of the above, before you predictably lash out with your ageist response.

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I’m kinda scared that she’s pulling a lot of pop culture moves like HRC. She’s not as “smooth” as Obama, and people hyper criticize women as incompetent for trying to seem relatable

The whole “BRAT” thing is beyond embarrassing and pandering.

It really really annoyed me, and then I realized if I was 20 and scrolling on Twitter that a presidential candidate is casually boosting Charli XCX, I’d be pretty f-ing ecstatic to see someone who sorta gets it. I bet her young interns suggested it

It’s not ok. It’s as the kids say, super cringe .

You don’t want to see people your parents age using the new lingo and TikTok verbiage . It’s very cringe . Calling yourself a brat at 60 years old is super super embarrassing

Do you know any young people? I work with them everyday as a professor. They’re eating this up. We’re just old and sick of politicians not acting, you know, political.

Kids are smart and know when they’re being pandered to. If you started a lecture calling yourself a brat like Charli XCX, they’d laugh at you .

I dare you to try and see if you’re taken seriously by them .

Tulsi Gabbard was right. Kamala doesn’t know how to be herself in a campaign because she doesn’t know who she is and what she stands for . She’s an empty pantssuit with a nervous belly laugh and happy smile

I don’t really need to test trial my hipness. I’m not claiming Kamala to be Obama, but my students really like Obama (they make jokes about him bombing people which are out of pocket but they like him), because they like his cool dad energy and Spotify playlists of the year. For black students, she reminds them of their “aunties”- really any older person in the family who’s fun to be around. For my other students, they used to hate her for the constant laughing, but now they have taken her so unseriously that they genuinely like her. One of my students commented that she gives them “Leslie Knope energy, vibes…”

Growing up during an Obama-trump transition must make politics feel like one massive joke.

Yes, I for one have always wanted a “Leslie Knope” president.
DP

You live in America. You’ve always had a Leslie Knope president no matter what you wanted. Politicians are just friends you’d drink beer with. It’s been that way for a while.

Anonymous wrote:I love how the Trumper are twisting themselves into knots trying to find fault with Kamala Harris. They need to look at their own candidate. Nothing she has done or could ever do hold a candle to him and his crimes

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Anonymous wrote:Not typically in this channel, but I have to ask: can someone explain how the hell Kamala Harris managed to change the narrative about her amongst young people very sharply?

Like, less than a week ago, if you told the average young progressive voter that Kamala’s the next president they’d jump into a vat of hot oil while screaming “Cop!” And now she has memes all over Twitter about how amazing she is?!

They might not be the same people. Overall the young people want a younger candidate, just like the rest of us.

Or it’s a bunch of astroturf. Nobody likes Kamala. She is a well-recognized moron.

This. It is still beyond amusing to me that most Democrats wanted her off the ticket altogether just a year ago, because she was thought of as such a liability. But now, all of a sudden, liberal gaslighting kicks in again and she’s overnight become the best candidate ever. You know, from the same people who insisted Biden was fit and “sharp as a tack.” Too, too funny.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/09/the-case-for-biden-to-drop-kamala-harris.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4581043-with-or-without-biden-democrats-are-stuck-with-kamala-harris/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/11/how-americans-feel-about-kamala-harris-becoming-president/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/09/biden-kamala-harris-vice-president-democratic-primary-challengers.html

Well, times change.

Not really. This is still the same Kamala Harris that everyone - including Democrats - was embarrassed by a few short months (days!) ago. But the gaslighting continues. We are not to remember any of that.

Not everything is a conspiracy. It would be really irresponsible for the media to just run around trashing Kamala and causing chaos come time for the DNC. Some people who hated her, did a little research and like her. It’s time to stop thinking that everyone else is some massive sheep just because they don’t agree with your version of the events.

So would you give the same benefit of the doubt to Trump voters?

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I’m kinda scared that she’s pulling a lot of pop culture moves like HRC. She’s not as “smooth” as Obama, and people hyper criticize women as incompetent for trying to seem relatable

The whole “BRAT” thing is beyond embarrassing and pandering.

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Anonymous wrote:You would think 20s and 30s can think for themselves.

This generation has done more than thinking for themselves. They have to put up with a lot of shit.

Seriously. Whenever you bring up young voters, people carry Harris’s opinions that “young people are stupid.” Pretty much all of their wanted policies are not going to be on the ticket for another 30 or 40 years. They also are the most hated part of the Democratic Party for being “woke.” And add some serious mental health issues, and you got a group of people desperate for some political attention

You’d have mental health issues too if your childhood was Columbine, 9/11, wars , school shooting drills, and adulthood was college debt being the first mortgage they have fresh out of school at 22.

It’s a miracle that generation isn’t storming the Capitol every day to be quite honest

Anonymous wrote:I’m 100% a Kamala fan. Where can I get a “I didn't just fall out of a coconut tree” t-shirt?

She’s going to be amazing!