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Anonymous wrote:Trump still has the criminal charges coming in Georgia too. At least he has something to do in his retirement. Be a criminal defendant.

“We’ll get him on something, somewhere!”

“Because he flouted laws and rules at every turn.”

So did Hillary per Comey. She just didn't mean to

Yes, Comey knows you have to prove intent to convict at a trial. Why don’t you?

Know what else you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. That the person who Trump showed the document to actually saw its contents. The fact that it’s nowhere in the indictment speaks volumes. Remember they are trying to prove espionage act and that he deliberately meant to compromise national security.

He's not charged with dissemination so they do not have to prove that.

EXACTLY what makes the case so weak.

Why would that make the case weak? They charged retention, and they have overwhelming evidence of that. That makes a case strong, not weak.

I think you will find the SC will again, overturn any verdict in that regard. A President can retain their own presidential records.

Classified documents are not Presidential papers.

Uh, not really. They could be. But records that belong to agencies, like war plans or intel reports, are not presidential records.

Fact - the commander in chief is THEIR BOSS. You are incorrect

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Anonymous wrote:In 1968 Lyndon Johnson gave an aide classified documents to hide from the incoming Nixon Administration. Why wasn't he Indicted like Trump?

https://theintercept.com/2022/08/11/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-classified-documents-lbj/

For those who don’t want to read the article, I’ll summarize.

LBJ found out via an informant that the Nixon campaign was allegedly circumventing US foreign policy and actively discouraging peace accords in Vietnam because they didn’t want LBJ to get credit for ending the war. LBJ had some of the alleged conspirators (US citizens) surveilled, which proved the allegations were true. However, it was obvious Nixon was going to win the election, so LBJ and his advisors decided that if the American public learned what they’d been up to, it would shake public confidence in the Nixon administration so badly that Americans were better off not knowing.

LBJ asked an aide to hold all of the documentation of the surveillance instead of giving it to the incoming Nixon administration. The aide kept it all until LBJ’s death, when he donated it to LBJ’s presidential library in a sealed envelope with instructions not to open until 50 years later, 2023. The library actually opened the envelope in the 1990s.

The article states, “What the Johnson administration had done was, in a sense, ‘legal,’ given that there were essentially no laws governing the U.S. surveillance state before reforms in the 1970s. Nevertheless, everyone involved was aware that what they’d done could be seen as scandalous.”

So no one was prosecuted because there was no specific law broken and there were no allegations of wrongdoing.

I love that no one is paying any attention in this story to Nixon actively frustrating the peace process. Shades of Reagan.

Anonymous wrote:A better explanation of the espionage act

https://www.thedailybeast.com/doj-went-overboard-with-espionage-act-charges-against-trump

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Anonymous wrote:In 1968 Lyndon Johnson gave an aide classified documents to hide from the incoming Nixon Administration. Why wasn't he Indicted like Trump?

https://theintercept.com/2022/08/11/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-classified-documents-lbj/

For those who don’t want to read the article, I’ll summarize.

LBJ found out via an informant that the Nixon campaign was allegedly circumventing US foreign policy and actively discouraging peace accords in Vietnam because they didn’t want LBJ to get credit for ending the war. LBJ had some of the alleged conspirators (US citizens) surveilled, which proved the allegations were true. However, it was obvious Nixon was going to win the election, so LBJ and his advisors decided that if the American public learned what they’d been up to, it would shake public confidence in the Nixon administration so badly that Americans were better off not knowing.

LBJ asked an aide to hold all of the documentation of the surveillance instead of giving it to the incoming Nixon administration. The aide kept it all until LBJ’s death, when he donated it to LBJ’s presidential library in a sealed envelope with instructions not to open until 50 years later, 2023. The library actually opened the envelope in the 1990s.

The article states, “What the Johnson administration had done was, in a sense, ‘legal,’ given that there were essentially no laws governing the U.S. surveillance state before reforms in the 1970s. Nevertheless, everyone involved was aware that what they’d done could be seen as scandalous.”

So no one was prosecuted because there was no specific law broken and there were no allegations of wrongdoing.

I love that no one is paying any attention in this story to Nixon actively frustrating the peace process. Shades of Reagan.

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Anonymous wrote:In 1968 Lyndon Johnson gave an aide classified documents to hide from the incoming Nixon Administration. Why wasn't he Indicted like Trump?

https://theintercept.com/2022/08/11/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-classified-documents-lbj/

For those who don’t want to read the article, I’ll summarize.

LBJ found out via an informant that the Nixon campaign was allegedly circumventing US foreign policy and actively discouraging peace accords in Vietnam because they didn’t want LBJ to get credit for ending the war. LBJ had some of the alleged conspirators (US citizens) surveilled, which proved the allegations were true. However, it was obvious Nixon was going to win the election, so LBJ and his advisors decided that if the American public learned what they’d been up to, it would shake public confidence in the Nixon administration so badly that Americans were better off not knowing.

LBJ asked an aide to hold all of the documentation of the surveillance instead of giving it to the incoming Nixon administration. The aide kept it all until LBJ’s death, when he donated it to LBJ’s presidential library in a sealed envelope with instructions not to open until 50 years later, 2023. The library actually opened the envelope in the 1990s.

The article states, “What the Johnson administration had done was, in a sense, ‘legal,’ given that there were essentially no laws governing the U.S. surveillance state before reforms in the 1970s. Nevertheless, everyone involved was aware that what they’d done could be seen as scandalous.”

So no one was prosecuted because there was no specific law broken and there were no allegations of wrongdoing.

Anonymous wrote:I think Smith was told to indict. He was just given latitude about the specifics.

Anonymous wrote:In 106 years of the espionage act, not one President has been brought up on this charge. I will use the words so eloquently said by Director Comey in 2016 about classified information on a private server; "no reasonable prosecutor would file charges"

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad to see the Republicans are pushing back against this travesty.

Not "the Republicans," just the attention whore nutty ones.

Seriously, who are the non-nutty Republicans? I would love for our country to have two functional political parties, but I do not see a single Congressional Republican cheering on the rule of law.

Murkowski and Romney are pretty much it.

Anonymous wrote:In 106 years of the espionage act, not one President has been brought up on this charge. I will use the words so eloquently said by Director Comey in 2016 about classified information on a private server; "no reasonable prosecutor would file charges"

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad to see the Republicans are pushing back against this travesty.

This is an amazing gift to Biden. He can now just appoint acting DOJ officials without the need to get Senate confirmation. Thank you Vance!

Anonymous wrote:In 106 years of the espionage act, not one President has been brought up on this charge. I will use the words so eloquently said by Director Comey in 2016 about classified information on a private server; "no reasonable prosecutor would file charges"

Anonymous wrote:I think Smith was told to indict. He was just given latitude about the specifics.