Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 13:19     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Putin is the face of global conservativism. When you look at him with that lens, you will understand why the GOP is so eager to see Biden and United States fail.

At this point, they are basically saying they support Putin over Biden, that Putin is doing nothing wrong, etc. I don't think this has happened since WW2, when some American politicians were actively aligning with Germany/Hitler.


It's not really conservatism. Hard telling what the hell Republicans actually believe these days. They hate liberals more than they love anything.


It's a story as old as history - conservative fascism. Putin opposes gays, transgender, abortion, promotes the Orthodox Church. Crony alignment with the business elite. Pushing to end independent media, either through the use of force (Putin) or nuisance lawsuits (Gawker, NYTimes, CNN, etc.)

The GOP has very similar policies as Putin.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 13:10     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Putin is the face of global conservativism. When you look at him with that lens, you will understand why the GOP is so eager to see Biden and United States fail.

At this point, they are basically saying they support Putin over Biden, that Putin is doing nothing wrong, etc. I don't think this has happened since WW2, when some American politicians were actively aligning with Germany/Hitler.


It's not really conservatism. Hard telling what the hell Republicans actually believe these days. They hate liberals more than they love anything.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 13:10     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:So now that DPR and LPR are recognized as free by Russia the script will now change to referendums on joining with Russia. Just like the Crimea. It’s done. What could the President have done to prevent this? Not much over sanctions, which won’t work-they’ll cause pain for sure but won’t result in any change of behavior. He rightly has dismissed any military action against Russia over Ukraine so really just not much left at this point.


If you assume that the end game is DPR & LPR. But they are not. Putin is opportunist and will keep pushing for as much as he can get away with. Sanctions needed to prevent this scenario and additional invasion and reverse the occupation of Donetsk Luhansk & crimea. Otherwise, he’d see it as an emboldening success for more occupation.

Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 13:08     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Let’s all pretend we care about Ukraine, and send all our money into Ukraine in the form of advanced weapons. Then when the Ukrainians run away from the battle, Russia can have the weapons


We should stand by and do nothing as Russia invades a European nation for peace in our times.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 12:28     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
The sanctions are just the necessary first step. I don’t think there’s anyone in the administration that thinks the sanctions will fix it. It is a game of chess not a fist fight.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 11:07     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:So now that DPR and LPR are recognized as free by Russia the script will now change to referendums on joining with Russia. Just like the Crimea. It’s done. What could the President have done to prevent this? Not much over sanctions, which won’t work-they’ll cause pain for sure but won’t result in any change of behavior. He rightly has dismissed any military action against Russia over Ukraine so really just not much left at this point.


Come on man. It’s not done. You don’t bring blood if you don’t plan to fight!
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 11:05     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Putin is the face of global conservativism. When you look at him with that lens, you will understand why the GOP is so eager to see Biden and United States fail.

At this point, they are basically saying they support Putin over Biden, that Putin is doing nothing wrong, etc. I don't think this has happened since WW2, when some American politicians were actively aligning with Germany/Hitler.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 11:00     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
So now that DPR and LPR are recognized as free by Russia the script will now change to referendums on joining with Russia. Just like the Crimea. It’s done. What could the President have done to prevent this? Not much over sanctions, which won’t work-they’ll cause pain for sure but won’t result in any change of behavior. He rightly has dismissed any military action against Russia over Ukraine so really just not much left at this point.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 10:43     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Those of you criticizing Biden for being weak on Ukraine, please explain what exactly you would do in his place. What would be a strong response?


They don't have any better ideas, because Biden has done an excellent job managing this.

Putin underestimated Biden, and NATO as a whole. He thought this would go like all his past invasions - create a pretext, march in and take over, get a few useless sanctions put on him, and everyone eventually moves on. He also hoped it would divide NATO - that the Germans wouldn't give up NordStream, the French and the British wouldn't give up the oligrachs' money. But Biden and his team have convinced all of them that the line needs to be drawn here. Instead NATO is MORE unified and NATO have been placed even closer to Russia, which is the opposite of what Putin wanted.

And it's been masterful. Trump and his minions did NOT succeed in hollowing out the American intelligence capability, and announcing ahead of time Putin's plans seems to have unnerved him a bit, as well as showing that the emperor has no clothes.

It's really nice to have adults in charge again.


Everybody underestimates Biden, including 65% Americans.
Please go write propaganda some place else.
As Hannity said.. Biden is a senile mumbling buffon
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 10:18     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Those of you criticizing Biden for being weak on Ukraine, please explain what exactly you would do in his place. What would be a strong response?


I happen to sorta support Putin in this matter but if I was Biden, I would flood Ukraine with tons of drones and anti tank platforms and get Russians stuck into an Afghanistan on their border.

1. We need to see our autonomous air capabilities against Russian air defense
2. Ukrainians get a fighting chance
3. Russians bleed out


It looks like the US has already given Ukraine considerable military aid, including anti-tank weapons. But I'm guessing more military assistance is needed from us in the form of military equipment.

The administration said Wednesday (Jan. 19, 2022) it is providing a further $200 million in defensive military aid to Ukraine. Since 2014 the United States has provided Ukraine with about $2.5 billion in defense assistance, including anti-tank missiles and radars.


https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-russia-antony-blinken-europe-ukraine-fbb86e0f1d43ee4226f921960ecc8ea3
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 10:11     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Those of you criticizing Biden for being weak on Ukraine, please explain what exactly you would do in his place. What would be a strong response?


They don't have any better ideas, because Biden has done an excellent job managing this.

Putin underestimated Biden, and NATO as a whole. He thought this would go like all his past invasions - create a pretext, march in and take over, get a few useless sanctions put on him, and everyone eventually moves on. He also hoped it would divide NATO - that the Germans wouldn't give up NordStream, the French and the British wouldn't give up the oligrachs' money. But Biden and his team have convinced all of them that the line needs to be drawn here. Instead NATO is MORE unified and NATO have been placed even closer to Russia, which is the opposite of what Putin wanted.

And it's been masterful. Trump and his minions did NOT succeed in hollowing out the American intelligence capability, and announcing ahead of time Putin's plans seems to have unnerved him a bit, as well as showing that the emperor has no clothes.

It's really nice to have adults in charge again.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 10:05     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Those of you criticizing Biden for being weak on Ukraine, please explain what exactly you would do in his place. What would be a strong response?


I will let the European deal with the issue. We do not have anything to do with Ukraine. Who cares if Putin want to recreate the U.S.S.R. let him do it.
If liberal like so much socialism the ought to be happy with the renaissance of the old soviet empire.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 10:02     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Those of you criticizing Biden for being weak on Ukraine, please explain what exactly you would do in his place. What would be a strong response?


I happen to sorta support Putin in this matter but if I was Biden, I would flood Ukraine with tons of drones and anti tank platforms and get Russians stuck into an Afghanistan on their border.

1. We need to see our autonomous air capabilities against Russian air defense
2. Ukrainians get a fighting chance
3. Russians bleed out
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 09:49     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Those of you criticizing Biden for being weak on Ukraine, please explain what exactly you would do in his place. What would be a strong response?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2022 09:43     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just an incursion- Biden has managed this nicely.


Sure.

Putin's "peace-keeping" mission is really a "piece-keeping" mission.
Take a piece of Ukraine and keep it.

Biden has failed. His sanctions will do nothing to prevent Putin from taking Ukraine.
Putin has taken note of Biden's weakness. He put people in his cabinet that were there when he annexed Crimea and they did nothing.
He has seen that Biden doesn't care a whit about our southern border.
He watched as Biden totally botched the withdrawal from Afghanistan. That is when Putin started building his troop presence around Ukraine.
Putin may be evil.... but he is not stupid. He knows when to act. He was thrilled when Biden won the election.


Ok don’t make me laugh…. Trump is out there waiting to see what Putin does and THEN he praises it, but Biden is the one he wanted? Suuuure.