Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 22:47     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone explain how John or Patsy would have any idea of how to make a garrote? This is not something that is common knowledge. And this crime didn't happen in the age of the internet where you just hop online to find instructions for something. To me, this is something a sadist would know for sure. John and Patsy were not sadists.



Exactly.



I vaguely recall John having been in the military. But it's really not such a complicated thing.


You wouldn't choose to make a brutal weapon like a garrote from your own paint set if you accidentally killed your child. Garrote's used to be used to execute people in foreign countries. This is really beyond any rational thought.


It's horrific to think that a parent would do this to their own child. But it is horrific to think that anyone would do this to a child. The thought processes involved in doing this are outside of the norm. No matter what scenario you come up with for this murder it makes no sense. Whoever did this was not thinking in a way that most of us could ever relate to. We keep trying to make sense of something that simply does not, and never will, make any sense.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 22:40     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone explain how John or Patsy would have any idea of how to make a garrote? This is not something that is common knowledge. And this crime didn't happen in the age of the internet where you just hop online to find instructions for something. To me, this is something a sadist would know for sure. John and Patsy were not sadists.



Exactly.



I vaguely recall John having been in the military. But it's really not such a complicated thing.


You wouldn't choose to make a brutal weapon like a garrote from your own paint set if you accidentally killed your child. Garrote's used to be used to execute people in foreign countries. This is really beyond any rational thought.


Killing isn't rational. And parents kill their children every day.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 22:36     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone explain how John or Patsy would have any idea of how to make a garrote? This is not something that is common knowledge. And this crime didn't happen in the age of the internet where you just hop online to find instructions for something. To me, this is something a sadist would know for sure. John and Patsy were not sadists.



Exactly.



I vaguely recall John having been in the military. But it's really not such a complicated thing.


You wouldn't choose to make a brutal weapon like a garrote from your own paint set if you accidentally killed your child. Garrote's used to be used to execute people in foreign countries. This is really beyond any rational thought.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 21:52     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
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Anonymous wrote:Here's something I don't understand.

If you think it was an intruder -- and I'm genuinely undecided -- how do you explain this: there was "touch DNA" on some of JonBenet's clothing items. But none of that DNA matched any of the intruder suspects -- like Santa or his wife. So if you think it was Santa, and you believe the DNA points to a non-family member, how do you reconcile that?


Also, JonBenet's body was covered with fibers from her parents clothing....after being murdered, and wiped down, there were multiple fibers present from her parents. How do you explain that?



I'm sure when they "found her" they picked her up and cuddled her close.

ID's last segment is on in fifteen minutes if anyone else is interested in watching. That creepy Mark Carr is going to be interviewed.


The fibers were from clothes the Ramseys were wearing the evening before. Not after her death. Though in Patsy's case, if she was wearing the same sweater, that might explain it. Perhaps that was calculated on her part?
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 21:45     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
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Anonymous wrote:Here's something I don't understand.

If you think it was an intruder -- and I'm genuinely undecided -- how do you explain this: there was "touch DNA" on some of JonBenet's clothing items. But none of that DNA matched any of the intruder suspects -- like Santa or his wife. So if you think it was Santa, and you believe the DNA points to a non-family member, how do you reconcile that?


Also, JonBenet's body was covered with fibers from her parents clothing....after being murdered, and wiped down, there were multiple fibers present from her parents. How do you explain that?



I'm sure when they "found her" they picked her up and cuddled her close.

ID's last segment is on in fifteen minutes if anyone else is interested in watching. That creepy Mark Carr is going to be interviewed.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 21:45     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Fiber evidence in JBR murder case:

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682473/Fiber%20Evidence
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 21:41     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Here's something I don't understand.

If you think it was an intruder -- and I'm genuinely undecided -- how do you explain this: there was "touch DNA" on some of JonBenet's clothing items. But none of that DNA matched any of the intruder suspects -- like Santa or his wife. So if you think it was Santa, and you believe the DNA points to a non-family member, how do you reconcile that?


Also, JonBenet's body was covered with fibers from her parents clothing....after being murdered, and wiped down, there were multiple fibers present from her parents. How do you explain that?
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 21:15     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
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Anonymous wrote:People with extra money buy sliced up fruit every week and never think about it again, especially around Christmas. Its not that "special"
What shows is the jealousy the police officers had towards the Ramseys. Everything they did pointed to guilt. prablby so the police could get back to their skiiing.


Exactly. Unlike the poster who keeps a complete inventory of all the cupboards and fridge, calculating what will get used up before the trip. Rich people don't live like that.


eh, rich people have their own special foods too. Don't be silly. Patsy and John made what their family enjoyed for Christmas breakfast. JonBenet and Burke were kids just like everyone else's kids with their own unique tastes.

Rich people who want to make pancakes need to buy the ingredients to make pancakes. If they know that their kids like toppings on their pancakes - they buy those toppings. If they want hash browns and bacon for breakfast they make sure to have those foods on hand. If JonBenet could have a favorite doll she could also have a favorite fruit. Pineapple was one of those fave fruits.

Do you seriously think that rich people just go out to the grocery and load their cart up with a bunch of random food - no plan, just random buying? No, they don't. If they are making pot roast for dinner they get the makings for pot roast. Why wouldn't they?


1) making a special breakfast doesn't have to include pineapples. Why do you assume that pineapple was a must?
2) nobody said it was her favourite fruit.
3)I don't plan out my groceries. I buy random stuff that I can pull together for a meal.

I read That Patsy said pineapples were not JBR's fave snack.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 21:12     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
What is Dr Michael Baden's opinion on JonBenet's cause of death. That guy is pretty good but I don't think I've ever heard him voice an opinion which is odd for him.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 21:10     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People with extra money buy sliced up fruit every week and never think about it again, especially around Christmas. Its not that "special"
What shows is the jealousy the police officers had towards the Ramseys. Everything they did pointed to guilt. prablby so the police could get back to their skiiing.


Exactly. Unlike the poster who keeps a complete inventory of all the cupboards and fridge, calculating what will get used up before the trip. Rich people don't live like that.


eh, rich people have their own special foods too. Don't be silly. Patsy and John made what their family enjoyed for Christmas breakfast. JonBenet and Burke were kids just like everyone else's kids with their own unique tastes.

Rich people who want to make pancakes need to buy the ingredients to make pancakes. If they know that their kids like toppings on their pancakes - they buy those toppings. If they want hash browns and bacon for breakfast they make sure to have those foods on hand. If JonBenet could have a favorite doll she could also have a favorite fruit. Pineapple was one of those fave fruits.

Do you seriously think that rich people just go out to the grocery and load their cart up with a bunch of random food - no plan, just random buying? No, they don't. If they are making pot roast for dinner they get the makings for pot roast. Why wouldn't they?
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 21:00     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone explain how John or Patsy would have any idea of how to make a garrote? This is not something that is common knowledge. And this crime didn't happen in the age of the internet where you just hop online to find instructions for something. To me, this is something a sadist would know for sure. John and Patsy were not sadists.



Step 1 would be what are these garrote a used for? Where have they been featured? Classic books? Movies? Boy Scouts? S&M? Etc... Who uses them and for what?

Step 2 would be which injury came first? Was the garrote secondary happening after the head injury? Or was it first? Was it actually effective or just for show? Did they test it afterwards? Did they have anyone try to create one?


The autopsy said both the garotte and the whack on the head contributed to her death. It could not be proven which came first.


That's not was the show said last night. They said the hit on the head came two hours (I coulon the exact time) before the strangulation. [/quote

That has never been proven. If you look at the crime scene photos, it looks like she was probably struggling while being strangled. Finger nail and ligature movement marks on her neck. This is what Smit and other forensic experts thought. The blow to the head probably came at the very end.


At this point it is pretty well establish shed that the head blow came first. Read Foreign Faction.

Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 20:54     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone explain how John or Patsy would have any idea of how to make a garrote? This is not something that is common knowledge. And this crime didn't happen in the age of the internet where you just hop online to find instructions for something. To me, this is something a sadist would know for sure. John and Patsy were not sadists.



Exactly.



I vaguely recall John having been in the military. But it's really not such a complicated thing.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 18:06     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Has John ever said why he chose that room first and didn't search any other basement areas?

Had the parents searched the house before police were called to be sure no one was hiding in the house?



Yes. He was told by the police to do the search. They didn't help or give him any direction. So he and Fleet decided to start in the basement and systematically go room by room. Sadly, he found JB in that first corner of the basement. Remember he had already been in the kitchen and living room with police and all the bedrooms quickly when first looking for JB. They woke up. Patsy put on her clothes and makeup and walked into the note on her stairs. They ran to JB's room and to Burke's. Then they called police.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 18:04     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Has John ever said why he chose that room first and didn't search any other basement areas?

Had the parents searched the house before police were called to be sure no one was hiding in the house?


Yes, I think it was the 3rd search when he discovered her body.
Anonymous
Post 09/14/2016 17:45     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
About the pineapple, patsy was interviewed in April. Do you remember what you ate four months later? At that point, she didn't know that JBR had pineapple found in the autopsy.
It's not like she was asked the day after.