Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 12:36     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

Someone should show this video to Brock and his dad. Consent as simple as tea.



Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:45     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

Similar crimes, but "One man will spend the entire prime of his life in prison for his crime — the other will be out of jail before the summer heat disappears. One man is black and the other is white. I won't even ask you to guess which is which. This is America."


Similar charges, but not similar crimes.


Cory Batey was a star athlete at Vanderbilt who raped an unconscious women. How are the crimes dissimilar?
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:29     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But I really think that there are more swedes in this world than Brocks.

PP I think most of the world falls into a third category - people who don't commit crimes but who aren't aware of their surroundings and willing to stick their neck out for others. But as parents I think it's our job to raise children like the Swedes.


You're probably right. I wonder how many young men would have gotten off their bikes, chased and tackled that guy. But I do think that quite a few people would have at least called 911 in a situation like that. The girl was obviously passed out and being humped behind a dumpster...yeah, that warrants a call to 911.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:28     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:


Nope. Foreign object was dirt, pine needles and other stuff. They pulled it out of her at the hospital. Turner is a weirdo.



Are you serious?

If true, he has issues on multiple fronts. Very sick young man.


No the charge and conviction were for fingers. It was outside and messy, not deliberate, as PP is implying. Stick to what he was actually convicted of.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:27     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

Similar crimes, but "One man will spend the entire prime of his life in prison for his crime — the other will be out of jail before the summer heat disappears. One man is black and the other is white. I won't even ask you to guess which is which. This is America."


Similar charges, but not similar crimes.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:24     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:But I really think that there are more swedes in this world than Brocks.

PP I think most of the world falls into a third category - people who don't commit crimes but who aren't aware of their surroundings and willing to stick their neck out for others. But as parents I think it's our job to raise children like the Swedes.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:21     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

Similar crimes, but "One man will spend the entire prime of his life in prison for his crime — the other will be out of jail before the summer heat disappears. One man is black and the other is white. I won't even ask you to guess which is which. This is America."
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:18     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag


Nope. Foreign object was dirt, pine needles and other stuff. They pulled it out of her at the hospital. Turner is a weirdo.



Are you serious?

If true, he has issues on multiple fronts. Very sick young man.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:14     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:



The rape kit was an invasive process. Necessary in some situations but probably not necessary in this case and if she had been more aware of what was happening to her she might have decided not to have that rape kit done. As it was, she had blacked out drinking and didn't know what had happened to her - she could have been gang raped for all she knew. Not knowing what had happened to her probably factored in to her decision to have that invasive rape kit and those additional photographs taken.


Were you there to see the condition of her body? Who are you to say it was probably not necessary? I think the bruising and scrapes and abrasions and general mess of her body was probably enough to warrant a rape kit, as determined by medical personnel. Why would she not have a rape kit done in this situation?


A woman can decide whether to use a rape kit or not. With no memory of the night, she would have a hard time determining whether she would want to undergo such an invasive ordeal or not. Either way, the rape kit ordeal is a part of the legal process, and does not factor into the sentence.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 11:04     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag




The rape kit was an invasive process. Necessary in some situations but probably not necessary in this case and if she had been more aware of what was happening to her she might have decided not to have that rape kit done. As it was, she had blacked out drinking and didn't know what had happened to her - she could have been gang raped for all she knew. Not knowing what had happened to her probably factored in to her decision to have that invasive rape kit and those additional photographs taken.


Were you there to see the condition of her body? Who are you to say it was probably not necessary? I think the bruising and scrapes and abrasions and general mess of her body was probably enough to warrant a rape kit, as determined by medical personnel. Why would she not have a rape kit done in this situation?
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:41     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to teach my girls to assume all men are dirtbags (even though most are not), and unless you know EVERYONE you are with in a closed environment, and trust them completely, don't drink to the point of passing out. And I'm going to teach my sons to respect women and that no means no and that the law says drunk women cannot consent, even if you are drunk too.



No one drinks enough to pass out on purpose. You can rarely control who will be at a party especially in college. I don't believe in blaming women but if I had a daughter I would do what I could in advance as well of course. Maybe we should actively teach safe drinking just like we promote safe sex and sex ed. Young men and women shouldn't be sent off to college with zero drinking knowledge where they'll be surrounded by weekend binge drinkers. They should be taught how to pace themselves, what not to mix, they need to eat first and rehydrate etc..

I think it's great that you are teaching your son about consent. Hearing that from you will be powerful I'm sure they'll always remember that.


My son has already told me that he has no interest in drinking alcohol. He enjoys athletic pursuits and being fit. Drugs/drinking/tobacco don't fit into his lifestyle. I don't know how I ended up with a kid like this but right about now I am counting my lucky stars that I have (I definitely enjoyed drinking in college). And he isn't even judgmental about people who do drink, it's just not his thing.

At any rate, I mention this because drinking really is...optional. Definitely talk to them about watching out for themselves and other people. Definitely talk to boys about being decent to girls.

What happened in this case is a parent's nightmare - on both sides. But I really think that there are more swedes in this world than Brocks.


How old is your son?


He's a HS junior.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:41     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."


3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.


Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.


Yes x3, it's getting very tiresome. Somehow if we are not all 100% anti Brock in every single one of our comments then we support him. And "help rapists rape". Ridiculous and over the top insulting.

Yes, he did some very bad things. He is being punished for them. Good. But there ARE other lessons here to be learned.

Don't rape.
Be careful.
Help others.


We heard you the first 10 times.


Oh really? And I bet it still sounds like I'm helping rapists rape, huh?


You just keep repeating yourself like you're saying something profound, and it's annoying me. I don't think it's profound at all; I think it's simplistic. And I don't think you get why saying "be careful" in this context is lame. Of course, everyone should be careful. You don't think the victim wishes she'd been more careful? You can't read the story without thinking, gosh, I should be more careful. But it's shitty to say it, because she paid 1000000 times over for her "carelessness." And nobody deserves what happened to her. And when you do what you're doing, which is assign guilt, you're telling every single person that reads your words that if they're raped, they should go over what they did and think about they're role in it.


You know what? I read her story and think that I would have been severely upset and angry if I found out that some opportunistic college hook up had fingered me while I was passed out drunk.

But being passed out drunk and half naked and then being photographed like that by the police... being at the hospital and not knowing what had happened to me, getting that rape kit done, being photographed again, going through the trial, having all of that graphic evidence laid out for all to see.....that would have been way worse than the initial crime. Maybe that's just me. But I can not imagine going through that hell...


He was convicted of penetration with a foreign object. He wasn't just fingering her. He was shoving stuff up her vagina while she was unconscious.


Foreign object = fingers.


Nope. Foreign object was dirt, pine needles and other stuff. They pulled it out of her at the hospital. Turner is a weirdo.

Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 09:44     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to teach my girls to assume all men are dirtbags (even though most are not), and unless you know EVERYONE you are with in a closed environment, and trust them completely, don't drink to the point of passing out. And I'm going to teach my sons to respect women and that no means no and that the law says drunk women cannot consent, even if you are drunk too.



No one drinks enough to pass out on purpose. You can rarely control who will be at a party especially in college. I don't believe in blaming women but if I had a daughter I would do what I could in advance as well of course. Maybe we should actively teach safe drinking just like we promote safe sex and sex ed. Young men and women shouldn't be sent off to college with zero drinking knowledge where they'll be surrounded by weekend binge drinkers. They should be taught how to pace themselves, what not to mix, they need to eat first and rehydrate etc..

I think it's great that you are teaching your son about consent. Hearing that from you will be powerful I'm sure they'll always remember that.


My son has already told me that he has no interest in drinking alcohol. He enjoys athletic pursuits and being fit. Drugs/drinking/tobacco don't fit into his lifestyle. I don't know how I ended up with a kid like this but right about now I am counting my lucky stars that I have (I definitely enjoyed drinking in college). And he isn't even judgmental about people who do drink, it's just not his thing.

At any rate, I mention this because drinking really is...optional. Definitely talk to them about watching out for themselves and other people. Definitely talk to boys about being decent to girls.

What happened in this case is a parent's nightmare - on both sides. But I really think that there are more swedes in this world than Brocks.


How old is your son?
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 09:10     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."


3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.


Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.


Yes x3, it's getting very tiresome. Somehow if we are not all 100% anti Brock in every single one of our comments then we support him. And "help rapists rape". Ridiculous and over the top insulting.

Yes, he did some very bad things. He is being punished for them. Good. But there ARE other lessons here to be learned.

Don't rape.
Be careful.
Help others.


We heard you the first 10 times.


Oh really? And I bet it still sounds like I'm helping rapists rape, huh?


You just keep repeating yourself like you're saying something profound, and it's annoying me. I don't think it's profound at all; I think it's simplistic. And I don't think you get why saying "be careful" in this context is lame. Of course, everyone should be careful. You don't think the victim wishes she'd been more careful? You can't read the story without thinking, gosh, I should be more careful. But it's shitty to say it, because she paid 1000000 times over for her "carelessness." And nobody deserves what happened to her. And when you do what you're doing, which is assign guilt, you're telling every single person that reads your words that if they're raped, they should go over what they did and think about they're role in it.


You know what? I read her story and think that I would have been severely upset and angry if I found out that some opportunistic college hook up had fingered me while I was passed out drunk.

But being passed out drunk and half naked and then being photographed like that by the police... being at the hospital and not knowing what had happened to me, getting that rape kit done, being photographed again, going through the trial, having all of that graphic evidence laid out for all to see.....that would have been way worse than the initial crime. Maybe that's just me. But I can not imagine going through that hell...


He was convicted of penetration with a foreign object. He wasn't just fingering her. He was shoving stuff up her vagina while she was unconscious.


Foreign object = fingers.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 09:08     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
He's a pig. Hope he squeals like one.