Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:38     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!


So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.


Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”


Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.


No one knows yet.


To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.


I hope this is not the case, if so, air travel will be in question for a very long time in the future. I had a very unfortunate incident on a recent flight into BNA that left me with great pause in my mind about our current ATC and its’s standards. Prayers for the victims and their families, and for the country


Agree. Make no assumptions, no change course immediately was directed.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:37     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!


So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.


Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”


Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.


No one knows yet.


To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.


I hope this is not the case, if so, air travel will be in question for a very long time in the future. I had a very unfortunate incident on a recent flight into BNA that left me with great pause in my mind about our current ATC and its’s standards. Prayers for the victims and their families, and for the country


We are short 1,000 ATC. It is one, if not, the most stressful jobs in the world with high burnout, suicide rates, etc. And then we pile on them this month and threaten them and send them emails that we are going to can them.

Do you know how many training hours are required for the job and we have not had a SINGLE crash in over two decades..but lets blame this on the Feds, the ATC. Stupid Fs


Trust in govt is at an all-time low. We can see the helicopter slam directly into the side of the aircraft. We can hear the ATC communication. We can see AA and safety board saying plane was on correct path, correct altitude, etc. Yet----we already can see the cover-up beginning...
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:37     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Trump is using this tragedy to rail against DEI!


Of course he did. This is so predictable.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:37     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Messaging matters! Words matter. Especially when loss of life, and liability, is at stake.

IMO there is too much information coming out now which says, "Airliner collided with helicopter" when in fact, the helicopter collided with the airliner.

Is this some sort of back-channel attempt to place blame on the airline pilot/airline/air traffic controllers?

Even Hegseth said in his statement: "...a UH60...collided, tragically, with a civilian airliner." (:40 in his video)

If the SECDEF says Army helicopter collided with civilian airliner then headlines/news information should state that.

Headline should be,
"Army helicopter collided with civilian passenger plane, said SECDEF"


+1

Our own military managed to kill a bunch of civilians. That is the story. What the hell happened?
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:36     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
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Anonymous wrote:The contributing factors to this crash will never be fully addressed. The fundamental problem is the orientation of Runway 33 vis-a-vis military traffic on the east side of the Potomac. It’s past time that Runway 33 is closed. If that means DCA has to shed a few slots so be it. Plenty of capacity at IAD.


That was also the opinion of a guest (aviation expert?) on nbc4 this morning. Planes have to swing out to the east side of the river to land on that runway, which brings them into the same space as the helicopters that fly low and the helicopters have to maintain visual distance. Too much can go wrong.


I know nothing about airplanes. But I cannot understand how in 2025, planes aren’t equipped with technology that gives them exact location and screen visualization of other close airplanes in the air. I can understand how the naked eye could miss a nearby plane when traveling from above or below, plus night, and fast moving. But surely helicopters and commercial planes have better onboard technology than purely relying on the pilot looking out the window.


There is technology to let other aircraft and tower know where you are, but it is possible that the helicopter turned it off.


No, it isn’t.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:36     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is 100% the fault of the military helicopter. They flew into the AA regional jet’s right rear side which was seconds away from touching down. There was nothing the AA pilots could have done, and nothing the Air traffic controllers could have done. The controllers were managing landing a passenger airplane every 2 minutes (!) up until this point, as they do every day at this airport! Terrible tragedy and 100% the helicopter flew directly into the right mid/rear of the passenger airplane. They should not fly training missions at night so close to the busiest airport of the nations capital.


Hegseth has already said the helicopter collided with the airliner in his video.


^ I hope law firms are paying attention, including those who will represent American Airlines, ATC employees, airport authority, etc.


^^And most importantly, the victims' families.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:36     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!


Only took them nine days to kill 60-70 people.

Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:35     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!


So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.


Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”


Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.


No one knows yet.


To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.


I hope this is not the case, if so, air travel will be in question for a very long time in the future. I had a very unfortunate incident on a recent flight into BNA that left me with great pause in my mind about our current ATC and its’s standards. Prayers for the victims and their families, and for the country


We are short 1,000 ATC. It is one, if not, the most stressful jobs in the world with high burnout, suicide rates, etc. And then we pile on them this month and threaten them and send them emails that we are going to can them.

Do you know how many training hours are required for the job and we have not had a SINGLE crash in over two decades..but lets blame this on the Feds, the ATC. Stupid Fs
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:35     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!


So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.


Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”


Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.


No one knows yet.


To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.


How do they normally communicate and ID which plane is which to the military pilots?

Doesn’t everyone have radar? It’s not like. None knew where approaching planes were trying to go. They were going to one of two landing strips to land. One is N/S other is slight angle NW/SE.
This wasn’t some mid-air military exercise where you don’t know what the other guy is doing. They’re landing the damn passenger jet on the damn runway at the damn airport, the one you’re flying right by!
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:34     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP. This is 100% the fault of the military helicopter. They flew into the AA regional jet’s right rear side which was seconds away from touching down. There was nothing the AA pilots could have done, and nothing the Air traffic controllers could have done. The controllers were managing landing a passenger airplane every 2 minutes (!) up until this point, as they do every day at this airport! Terrible tragedy and 100% the helicopter flew directly into the right mid/rear of the passenger airplane. They should not fly training missions at night so close to the busiest airport of the nations capital.


Hegseth has already said the helicopter collided with the airliner in his video.


^ I hope law firms are paying attention, including those who will represent American Airlines, ATC employees, airport authority, etc.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:34     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:The felon is now saying DEI caused the crash and blaming Dems for being worse than him. So for everyone claiming that people wanting answers is politicizing a tragedy (caused by the US) here is Example A of politicization by the supposed “leader” of the free world.


+100000
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:33     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.


Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.


Well large sections of the river were still frozen know-it-all, whether you understand that or not.

(How arrogant many posters are. Multiple people said they saw ice with their own eyes but you still think you are right!)


Stop it with the ice chunks. This isn’t Lake Michigan, it’s a briney river with a 6-8 foot tide every day that never freezes beyond some chunks and shoreline stuff.

Nothing to do with needing an icebreaker to get to the debris or damage. Yes divers need dry suits this time of year.

Terrible tragic accident. Unless we find out someone was way off protocol or not focusing.


Hey wingus, you can listen to the scanners and literally hear them saying they can't get where they need to be because of ice.

Or, you can just be stupid on DCUM. But yes, ice, and yes, it's impeding the rescue/recovery efforts.


I had this argument with my husband this morning who said there was no ice because he's watching the news.

Meanwhile I drive over the potomac river every day and had just come back from drop-off----and, YES, there is still a good portion of the river frozen.

WE had to go into Georgetown for something and I had fun pointing out the frozen river/ice coming down the Wisconsin hill to K street. Met with silence.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:33     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:NP. This is 100% the fault of the military helicopter. They flew into the AA regional jet’s right rear side which was seconds away from touching down. There was nothing the AA pilots could have done, and nothing the Air traffic controllers could have done. The controllers were managing landing a passenger airplane every 2 minutes (!) up until this point, as they do every day at this airport! Terrible tragedy and 100% the helicopter flew directly into the right mid/rear of the passenger airplane. They should not fly training missions at night so close to the busiest airport of the nations capital.


Hegseth has already said the helicopter collided with the airliner in his video.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:33     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!


So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.


Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”


Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.


No one knows yet.


To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.


I hope this is not the case, if so, air travel will be in question for a very long time in the future. I had a very unfortunate incident on a recent flight into BNA that left me with great pause in my mind about our current ATC and its’s standards. Prayers for the victims and their families, and for the country
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2025 11:33     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
What an absolute trash speech the gd President of the US just gave on national tv. What an absolute joke.

It didn't even take him 2 mins to start shifting blame and trashing Biden.

Newsflash, buckaroo, this tragedy happened on YOUR watch. This happened days after YOU gutted the offices and qualified officials from their positions.

He makes me sick. I had hope when NBC cut away from him rambling but then they went back. Fk that nonsense. I've cut it off.

This country is doomed. I can't even believe this is the world my kids will have to live in.