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Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

Huh? Are the voices in your head too loud?

This has been going on for over 18 months. In June there was a subpoena and then a cordial face to face in which Trump declared his intent to not return the documents. It took about a month after that for a warrant application to be written up, signed off on, approved and then executed. There is nothing strange at all about this series of events except for Trump's desire to not follow the law.

How much do you think he shredded and trashed during that month? If he didn't, he's a bigger idiot than I thought.

Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

DOJ/FBI didn’t want to do this. But there hands we tied by Trump and his co-conspirators refusal to follow the law in the first instance and comply with a grand jury subpoena. Trump rolled the dice and thought Garland would fold. It’s the Roy Cohn playbook. It’s magical thinking that Garland is boxed in. He understands the stakes better than anyone and proved it again today.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has 3 choices now:
1. He can publicly release the search warrant and inventory himself
2. He can tell the Court he doesn't oppose the DOJ motion to unseal, and the warrant will be released
3. He can oppose the motion to unseal and undermine all the crap he and his supporters have been spewing the last few days

Merrick Garland is a better poker player than Donald Trump.

Yes but given the inaccurate frothing about kicking in doors at 6am, I don’t think his supporters will even notice. I continue to fail to understand what they get out of living in an echo chamber that bears no relation to reality whatsoever. If it weren’t so destructive to our republic I wouldn’t care. But as it is, it’s like stinky slime slithering into everything.

I think they get a few things: Company (hey there's a lot of people who believe this and we like each other!) being a big one. I think they also enjoy having their worldview reinforced over and over, with story after story - and since they never actually see those stories debunked they never have to deal with the cognitive dissonance that people not steeped in this sh** would experience. An us against them take on the world can be very powerful, too.

It's probably also fun, in a sick way.

You may right. But there’s not even coherence on these in the bubble stories. The “logic” is non existent.

I think paradoxically that's part of the draw and part of what keeps them sucked in. You have to believe so many crazy, incoherent, inconsistent things, that it really binds you to the group and the beliefs and cements the in group/out group thing. The people who believe this garbage pile of stories are the true believers, the others are infidels who must be stopped. Look how quickly they turn to violence.

Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

My interpretation of that this statement is that Trump was asked to cooperate and refused.

Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

Huh? Are the voices in your head too loud?

This has been going on for over 18 months. In June there was a subpoena and then a cordial face to face in which Trump declared his intent to not return the documents. It took about a month after that for a warrant application to be written up, signed off on, approved and then executed. There is nothing strange at all about this series of events except for Trump's desire to not follow the law.

Anonymous wrote:The raid was apparently captured in its entirety on security camera video from dozens of angles, despite the FBI demanding the cameras be shut off. And Trump has all that video.

Why would the FBI want the cameras shut off?

That seems very suspicious.

FBI has their own cameras recording. They want security cams shut off so that no one on the outside can watch them searching and collecting. This is SOP.

The occupants of the house are not allowed to be inside during a search. The FBI doesn't want them watching the cams from the outside during the search or videos of their techniques getting out .

IME, each seizing agent has two camera people with them, one for photos and one for video. The seizing agent is the only one who collects the items on the warrant. The other agents look for and find the items, but the seizing agent is the only one who will touch, collect, and catalogue the items. This is to protect the chain of custody. And while the seizing agent is doing so, the cameras are rolling. The agents looking for evidence and items also have cameras on them. Depending on the size of the search, there can be multiple seizing agents, too.

But for those thinking that the FBI agents just rush in and start tossing everything like on TV shows and bagging and tagging everything, it's not like that at all. Searches are very orderly and organized. Every agent has a specific room/area that they're assigned to.

After the search, a detailed list of every item is left with the occupant, though. They'll know right when it's over what was seized by the agents. There's no "we don't know what they took!" outrage possible because if something comes up later at a trial that wasn't on the list of items seized, it can be thrown out.

Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

Nice try. No one is claiming this will show he was colluding with Russia. it will show he stole a bunch of classified documents and refused to give them back. It will be very interesting to see what those documents were, presuming the inventory list gives us an indication of what they are.

Anonymous wrote:The Motion to Unseal is here
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.18.0_4.pdf

The gratuitous reference to “preindictment stage” in fn 2 is ::chef’s kiss::

Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

It has been reported multiple times today that doj used a subpoena first several months ago. Unlike the February subpoena he did not return these documents. This was the only course of action the doj was left with. Trump refused to comply with the subpoena so they went to the magistrate with probable cause and lawfully got a search warrant. This is the opposite of overreach.

Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

I think you don’t understand about classified documents.

Why are you saying the documents show that Trump was colluding with Russia??

So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump has 3 choices now:
1. He can publicly release the search warrant and inventory himself
2. He can tell the Court he doesn't oppose the DOJ motion to unseal, and the warrant will be released
3. He can oppose the motion to unseal and undermine all the crap he and his supporters have been spewing the last few days

Merrick Garland is a better poker player than Donald Trump.

Yes but given the inaccurate frothing about kicking in doors at 6am, I don’t think his supporters will even notice. I continue to fail to understand what they get out of living in an echo chamber that bears no relation to reality whatsoever. If it weren’t so destructive to our republic I wouldn’t care. But as it is, it’s like stinky slime slithering into everything.

I think they get a few things: Company (hey there's a lot of people who believe this and we like each other!) being a big one. I think they also enjoy having their worldview reinforced over and over, with story after story - and since they never actually see those stories debunked they never have to deal with the cognitive dissonance that people not steeped in this sh** would experience. An us against them take on the world can be very powerful, too.

It's probably also fun, in a sick way.

You may right. But there’s not even coherence on these in the bubble stories. The “logic” is non existent.

Anonymous wrote:Trump has 3 choices now:
1. He can publicly release the search warrant and inventory himself
2. He can tell the Court he doesn't oppose the DOJ motion to unseal, and the warrant will be released
3. He can oppose the motion to unseal and undermine all the crap he and his supporters have been spewing the last few days

Merrick Garland is a better poker player than Donald Trump.

Flipping the narrative demonstrates real politically savvy contrary to the manner in which DOJ handles most ongoing investigations.

Brace for another wave of antisemitiism.

Anonymous wrote:Round 2 will be MAGAworld arguing that it isn’t illegal if Trump did it — that is, he didn’t violate Section 793 because he declsssified the documents. That leaves him with a PRA violation. But I’m guessing the FBI has something else from a CI or FISA intercept. Something more than he was about to destroy the materials. There’s a reason the materials weren’t properly returned pursuant to a grand jury subpoena and the chief of the DOJ counterintelligence section felt it necessary to visit MaraLago.

Yeah, Kash Patel, one of the official custodians, said they were going to release the classified documents on a random small time Christian conspiracy podcast.