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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

People are speculating that SNL weekend update continues to troll Blake. If anyone saw, they had Heidi Gardner come on and play a middle-aged Karen, who was terrified of going to New York City because of what she read on Facebook.

At one point, she basically had this schtick where everything she was seeing was P-RN! EVERYWHERE!

I saw this skit and Sunday night and it’s trolling insular tourists who don’t know anything about NYC themselves but believe crazy things that people post about NYC on Facebook. It’s quite a stretch to make this skit “be about” someone who actually lives in NYC. The lady would not let go of her purse, was afraid Jost was after her cash, and was concerned about crackheads stealing her EarPods. Don’t think they would have put in this stuff or bits like how Karen buys her clothes off QVC if intended as a Lively burn.

I don’t think the lady was supposed to represent Blake, just they were making fun of that element. A lot of people see Blake as a Karen, who, when a black man showed her something she immediately assumed it was of a sexual nature, cause you know, she got married on a plantation, and had a full lifestyle brand based on the antebellum South.

This can piss you off, it clearly does, but don’t shoot the messenger here. There’s a ton of posters online really annoyed with her about this accusation. And since SNL has made fun of her multiple times in subtle ways, including when she was actually in the audience during the 50th, it’s certainly not a stretch.

I just think that this and several of the other “SNL is roasting Lively so hard” comments that have been made here are wishful fabrications of Baldoni fans that are disconnected from reality. You can claim it’s a roast, and I can disagree.

DP. I do think SNL may be roasting her a bit. That’s what they do. But either way, who cares? We won’t ever know for sure mostly likely, and it really doesn’t matter. But yes, she’s coming off as a major Karen. If I were on her team, I’d read the room and try to fix that. It’s really time she extended an olive branch. I keep thinking more and more about the NYT angle and how played they were. I am not worried about the company itself, but that journalists career could be seriously affected.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

Incorrect. By Baldoni's own admission, the video was shown the day AFTER the birth scene was filmed.

No one said it was porn. It was still inappropriate and harassing.

It's not sexual harassment nor general harassment when Lively reportedly requested to see it per Baldoni's testimony. You're grasping at straws.

Ok, so Baldoni has not given testimony yet.

Baldoni's timeline (in his Exhibit A, which is irregular and should be struck but whatever) says that Baldoni believed Lively "presumably" would like to see the video. This presumption was clearly wrong given that when Heath tried to show it to her, she immediately stopped him and asked if his wife even knew he was sharing it with people.

And yes, showing someone unwanted videos could be part of a harassment campaign at work. Especially videos of a "deeply personal" nature (Heath's words, not mine).

Your boss says “ Hey, underlying, I would like you and the team to see this great video of the new sales process that I would like you and the team to take notes on. This is what we’re looking for on the project.”

And you would say”my boss harassed me. He wanted me and the team to watch this video that I thought was absurd and totally inappropriate just because. I want to file a harassment complaint. How dare he!”

That’s akin to what you are saying.

Blake never, ever ever was a victim, except in her own twisted mind

1) No one, including Baldoni or Heath, has asserted that Heath told Lively that the video was intended to show her what they were going for in the birth scene. They both described he interaction as starting with Heath showing the video. Also, if Heath had said, "Hey Blake, I want you to look at this video of my wife's birth experience for you to take notes on. This is what we are looking for on the birth scene," I think Lively would have said "We filmed that yesterday, and no I do not want to look at this video, thank you."

2) If the video in question was of my boss's wife giving birth, I would absolutely think it was "absurd" and "totally inappropriate." What world do you live in that people show videos of their wives' nude water births at work? My mom was a nurse and midwife and even she would find that weird unless they asked for specific consent to show that because it is personal. Deeply personal, as Heath described it.

Don't show "deeply personal" videos to colleagues at work without explaining what it is, how it's relevant to your job, and getting their consent first. I didn't think people needed to be told that but apparently they do. Maybe this case will help HR managers revise their training materials to include birth videos.

Stop comparing film sets with office jobs.

It was the PP who did that, not me.

Though some things area actually universal to all workplaces, and "don't show your wife's birth video to a colleague without explaining what it is and getting consent first" is one of them.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps quibbling over the finer details, and while I believe Justin even if we dissect the arguments on a microscopic level, what's just as important is I believe Justin when it comes to the big picture.

Justin did not like her, and felt like he had to appease her every step of the way based on his exchanges with others. He just comes off as so resigned and as someone who wants to get the whole thing over with. He's berated by her husband before they even begin filming but then he can't control himself and wants to ogle her? It's just bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

Incorrect. By Baldoni's own admission, the video was shown the day AFTER the birth scene was filmed.

No one said it was porn. It was still inappropriate and harassing.

It's not sexual harassment nor general harassment when Lively reportedly requested to see it per Baldoni's testimony. You're grasping at straws.

Ok, so Baldoni has not given testimony yet.

Baldoni's timeline (in his Exhibit A, which is irregular and should be struck but whatever) says that Baldoni believed Lively "presumably" would like to see the video. This presumption was clearly wrong given that when Heath tried to show it to her, she immediately stopped him and asked if his wife even knew he was sharing it with people.

And yes, showing someone unwanted videos could be part of a harassment campaign at work. Especially videos of a "deeply personal" nature (Heath's words, not mine).

Your boss says “ Hey, underlying, I would like you and the team to see this great video of the new sales process that I would like you and the team to take notes on. This is what we’re looking for on the project.”

And you would say”my boss harassed me. He wanted me and the team to watch this video that I thought was absurd and totally inappropriate just because. I want to file a harassment complaint. How dare he!”

That’s akin to what you are saying.

Blake never, ever ever was a victim, except in her own twisted mind

1) No one, including Baldoni or Heath, has asserted that Heath told Lively that the video was intended to show her what they were going for in the birth scene. They both described he interaction as starting with Heath showing the video. Also, if Heath had said, "Hey Blake, I want you to look at this video of my wife's birth experience for you to take notes on. This is what we are looking for on the birth scene," I think Lively would have said "We filmed that yesterday, and no I do not want to look at this video, thank you."

2) If the video in question was of my boss's wife giving birth, I would absolutely think it was "absurd" and "totally inappropriate." What world do you live in that people show videos of their wives' nude water births at work? My mom was a nurse and midwife and even she would find that weird unless they asked for specific consent to show that because it is personal. Deeply personal, as Heath described it.

Don't show "deeply personal" videos to colleagues at work without explaining what it is, how it's relevant to your job, and getting their consent first. I didn't think people needed to be told that but apparently they do. Maybe this case will help HR managers revise their training materials to include birth videos.

If they had conventional professions in an office…sure, but they are actors working in a film filming a birth scene.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps quibbling over the finer details, and while I believe Justin even if we dissect the arguments on a microscopic level, what's just as important is I believe Justin when it comes to the big picture.

Justin did not like her, and felt like he had to appease her every step of the way based on his exchanges with others. He just comes off as so resigned and as someone who wants to get the whole thing over with. He's berated by her husband before they even begin filming but then he can't control himself and wants to ogle her? It's just bizarre.

Sexual harassment doesn't automatically mean that the perpetrator "wants to ogle" the victim or is trying to have sex with them. Sexual harassment can happen specifically *because* a boss or manager doesn't like someone working for them, and uses things of a sexual or gendered nature to make them feel uncomfortable. It's really about power.

Lively has never alleged that he hit on her. Just that his behavior was harassing. She also alleges that he repeatedly told her that he was speaking with her dead father.

He is creepy.

Dp, but what is creepy to me is researching and posting about the personal lives of the Baldoni attorneys. It’s stalkerish. YMMV.

You mean like Baldoni supporters digging into the financial info of New York Times board members to find connections to Ryan Reynolds?

Or like Baldoni supporters obsessively tracking who is liking Baldoni's posts on Instagram? Or whether Travis Kelce follows Ryan Reynolds or not?

Or like Baldoni supporters tracking Taylor Swift's whereabouts for clues on whether or not she is still friends with Blake?

Or like Baldoni supporters digging up every LLC Ryan Reynold has ever registered?

Or like Baldoni supporters getting a donut shop shut down by making complaints about Lively not wearing a hair net during a short photo op there, even though they have never set foot in that donut shop?

Or like Baldoni supporters obsessing over three paparazzi photos of Blake walking to her car on a Saturday?

Or like Baldoni supporters combing through every interview Lively or Reynolds has ever given to find "evidence" which is actually just a couple hours babbling to the press about various projects?

Or like Baldoni supporters trying to hunt down the sexual assault victim Lively referenced anonymously in a speech?

I could go on.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

Incorrect. By Baldoni's own admission, the video was shown the day AFTER the birth scene was filmed.

No one said it was porn. It was still inappropriate and harassing.

It's not sexual harassment nor general harassment when Lively reportedly requested to see it per Baldoni's testimony. You're grasping at straws.

Ok, so Baldoni has not given testimony yet.

Baldoni's timeline (in his Exhibit A, which is irregular and should be struck but whatever) says that Baldoni believed Lively "presumably" would like to see the video. This presumption was clearly wrong given that when Heath tried to show it to her, she immediately stopped him and asked if his wife even knew he was sharing it with people.

And yes, showing someone unwanted videos could be part of a harassment campaign at work. Especially videos of a "deeply personal" nature (Heath's words, not mine).

Your boss says “ Hey, underlying, I would like you and the team to see this great video of the new sales process that I would like you and the team to take notes on. This is what we’re looking for on the project.”

And you would say”my boss harassed me. He wanted me and the team to watch this video that I thought was absurd and totally inappropriate just because. I want to file a harassment complaint. How dare he!”

That’s akin to what you are saying.

Blake never, ever ever was a victim, except in her own twisted mind

1) No one, including Baldoni or Heath, has asserted that Heath told Lively that the video was intended to show her what they were going for in the birth scene. They both described he interaction as starting with Heath showing the video. Also, if Heath had said, "Hey Blake, I want you to look at this video of my wife's birth experience for you to take notes on. This is what we are looking for on the birth scene," I think Lively would have said "We filmed that yesterday, and no I do not want to look at this video, thank you."

2) If the video in question was of my boss's wife giving birth, I would absolutely think it was "absurd" and "totally inappropriate." What world do you live in that people show videos of their wives' nude water births at work? My mom was a nurse and midwife and even she would find that weird unless they asked for specific consent to show that because it is personal. Deeply personal, as Heath described it.

Don't show "deeply personal" videos to colleagues at work without explaining what it is, how it's relevant to your job, and getting their consent first. I didn't think people needed to be told that but apparently they do. Maybe this case will help HR managers revise their training materials to include birth videos.

Stop comparing film sets with office jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Furthermore, I don’t see how you can be a lawyer and make determining statements based on biased facts. That’s not how we were trained in law school. And no way does that serve as sound consultancy in advising a client. You are not a lawyer. You are a paid influencer.

Where do you live? If you are in the DMV, do you want to meet up? I will show you I’m just a dmv lawyer mom. These accusations are so tiresome and paranoid.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps quibbling over the finer details, and while I believe Justin even if we dissect the arguments on a microscopic level, what's just as important is I believe Justin when it comes to the big picture.

Justin did not like her, and felt like he had to appease her every step of the way based on his exchanges with others. He just comes off as so resigned and as someone who wants to get the whole thing over with. He's berated by her husband before they even begin filming but then he can't control himself and wants to ogle her? It's just bizarre.

Sexual harassment doesn't automatically mean that the perpetrator "wants to ogle" the victim or is trying to have sex with them. Sexual harassment can happen specifically *because* a boss or manager doesn't like someone working for them, and uses things of a sexual or gendered nature to make them feel uncomfortable. It's really about power.

Lively has never alleged that he hit on her. Just that his behavior was harassing. She also alleges that he repeatedly told her that he was speaking with her dead father.

He is creepy.

Dp, but what is creepy to me is researching and posting about the personal lives of the Baldoni attorneys. It’s stalkerish. YMMV.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

Incorrect. By Baldoni's own admission, the video was shown the day AFTER the birth scene was filmed.

No one said it was porn. It was still inappropriate and harassing.

It's not sexual harassment nor general harassment when Lively reportedly requested to see it per Baldoni's testimony. You're grasping at straws.

Ok, so Baldoni has not given testimony yet.

Baldoni's timeline (in his Exhibit A, which is irregular and should be struck but whatever) says that Baldoni believed Lively "presumably" would like to see the video. This presumption was clearly wrong given that when Heath tried to show it to her, she immediately stopped him and asked if his wife even knew he was sharing it with people.

And yes, showing someone unwanted videos could be part of a harassment campaign at work. Especially videos of a "deeply personal" nature (Heath's words, not mine).

Your boss says “ Hey, underlying, I would like you and the team to see this great video of the new sales process that I would like you and the team to take notes on. This is what we’re looking for on the project.”

And you would say”my boss harassed me. He wanted me and the team to watch this video that I thought was absurd and totally inappropriate just because. I want to file a harassment complaint. How dare he!”

That’s akin to what you are saying.

Blake never, ever ever was a victim, except in her own twisted mind

1) No one, including Baldoni or Heath, has asserted that Heath told Lively that the video was intended to show her what they were going for in the birth scene. They both described he interaction as starting with Heath showing the video. Also, if Heath had said, "Hey Blake, I want you to look at this video of my wife's birth experience for you to take notes on. This is what we are looking for on the birth scene," I think Lively would have said "We filmed that yesterday, and no I do not want to look at this video, thank you."

2) If the video in question was of my boss's wife giving birth, I would absolutely think it was "absurd" and "totally inappropriate." What world do you live in that people show videos of their wives' nude water births at work? My mom was a nurse and midwife and even she would find that weird unless they asked for specific consent to show that because it is personal. Deeply personal, as Heath described it.

Don't show "deeply personal" videos to colleagues at work without explaining what it is, how it's relevant to your job, and getting their consent first. I didn't think people needed to be told that but apparently they do. Maybe this case will help HR managers revise their training materials to include birth videos.

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Anonymous wrote:Sean Baker, who won Best Director this year, simulated sex with his wife to give Mikey Madison an idea of how he wanted scenes to look like in "Anora."

Film is a visual medium that can require some unusual behind the scenes methods to achieve the intended result, and Heath showing Blake one-second of that video is just so minor.

I know the pro-Lively people will say, "Well, the difference is that Mikey consented." But even the mere suggestion of certain things or the mere asking of questions was enough for Blake to include these instances in her complaint.

That's revolting, sorry.

But yeah, consent is relevant. Also relevant is the fact that Heath showed Lively the video AFTER they had already shot the birth scene. It was not shown to her as an instruction for how they wanted the scene to look. If that's what they wanted to do, they could have suggested it and made sure she was cool with it (just as I sure hope Sean Baker presumably did with Madison) before the scene was shot.

Also, I just want to add that it's insane to me that they wanted to use Heath's wife's birth experience and video as a model for how the birth scene looked. To be clear, this was a movie about a woman who has a kid with a guy who is physically and emotionally abusing her, and it is the birth of her daughter that makes her realize she cannot stay with him and needs to leave (the phrase "it ends with us" refers to the character's pledge to her baby). It's just really weird that they felt that was appropriate inspiration for the movie.

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Anonymous wrote:Sean Baker, who won Best Director this year, simulated sex with his wife to give Mikey Madison an idea of how he wanted scenes to look like in "Anora."

Film is a visual medium that can require some unusual behind the scenes methods to achieve the intended result, and Heath showing Blake one-second of that video is just so minor.

I know the pro-Lively people will say, "Well, the difference is that Mikey consented." But even the mere suggestion of certain things or the mere asking of questions was enough for Blake to include these instances in her complaint.

That's revolting, sorry.

But yeah, consent is relevant. Also relevant is the fact that Heath showed Lively the video AFTER they had already shot the birth scene. It was not shown to her as an instruction for how they wanted the scene to look. If that's what they wanted to do, they could have suggested it and made sure she was cool with it (just as I sure hope Sean Baker presumably did with Madison) before the scene was shot.

Also, I just want to add that it's insane to me that they wanted to use Heath's wife's birth experience and video as a model for how the birth scene looked. To be clear, this was a movie about a woman who has a kid with a guy who is physically and emotionally abusing her, and it is the birth of her daughter that makes her realize she cannot stay with him and needs to leave (the phrase "it ends with us" refers to the character's pledge to her baby). It's just really weird that they felt that was appropriate inspiration for the movie.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

Incorrect. By Baldoni's own admission, the video was shown the day AFTER the birth scene was filmed.

No one said it was porn. It was still inappropriate and harassing.

It's not sexual harassment nor general harassment when Lively reportedly requested to see it per Baldoni's testimony. You're grasping at straws.

Ok, so Baldoni has not given testimony yet.

Baldoni's timeline (in his Exhibit A, which is irregular and should be struck but whatever) says that Baldoni believed Lively "presumably" would like to see the video. This presumption was clearly wrong given that when Heath tried to show it to her, she immediately stopped him and asked if his wife even knew he was sharing it with people.

And yes, showing someone unwanted videos could be part of a harassment campaign at work. Especially videos of a "deeply personal" nature (Heath's words, not mine).

Your boss says “ Hey, underlying, I would like you and the team to see this great video of the new sales process that I would like you and the team to take notes on. This is what we’re looking for on the project.”

And you would say”my boss harassed me. He wanted me and the team to watch this video that I thought was absurd and totally inappropriate just because. I want to file a harassment complaint. How dare he!”

That’s akin to what you are saying.

Blake never, ever ever was a victim, except in her own twisted mind

1) No one, including Baldoni or Heath, has asserted that Heath told Lively that the video was intended to show her what they were going for in the birth scene. They both described he interaction as starting with Heath showing the video. Also, if Heath had said, "Hey Blake, I want you to look at this video of my wife's birth experience for you to take notes on. This is what we are looking for on the birth scene," I think Lively would have said "We filmed that yesterday, and no I do not want to look at this video, thank you."

2) If the video in question was of my boss's wife giving birth, I would absolutely think it was "absurd" and "totally inappropriate." What world do you live in that people show videos of their wives' nude water births at work? My mom was a nurse and midwife and even she would find that weird unless they asked for specific consent to show that because it is personal. Deeply personal, as Heath described it.

Don't show "deeply personal" videos to colleagues at work without explaining what it is, how it's relevant to your job, and getting their consent first. I didn't think people needed to be told that but apparently they do. Maybe this case will help HR managers revise their training materials to include birth videos.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

Incorrect. By Baldoni's own admission, the video was shown the day AFTER the birth scene was filmed.

No one said it was porn. It was still inappropriate and harassing.

It's not sexual harassment nor general harassment when Lively reportedly requested to see it per Baldoni's testimony. You're grasping at straws.

Ok, so Baldoni has not given testimony yet.

Baldoni's timeline (in his Exhibit A, which is irregular and should be struck but whatever) says that Baldoni believed Lively "presumably" would like to see the video. This presumption was clearly wrong given that when Heath tried to show it to her, she immediately stopped him and asked if his wife even knew he was sharing it with people.

And yes, showing someone unwanted videos could be part of a harassment campaign at work. Especially videos of a "deeply personal" nature (Heath's words, not mine).

Your boss says “ Hey, underlying, I would like you and the team to see this great video of the new sales process that I would like you and the team to take notes on. This is what we’re looking for on the project.”

And you would say”my boss harassed me. He wanted me and the team to watch this video that I thought was absurd and totally inappropriate just because. I want to file a harassment complaint. How dare he!”

That’s akin to what you are saying.

Blake never, ever ever was a victim, except in her own twisted mind

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Anonymous wrote:Furthermore, I don’t see how you can be a lawyer and make determining statements based on biased facts. That’s not how we were trained in law school. And no way does that serve as sound consultancy in advising a client. You are not a lawyer. You are a paid influencer.

Where do you live? If you are in the DMV, do you want to meet up? I will show you I’m just a dmv lawyer mom. These accusations are so tiresome and paranoid.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps quibbling over the finer details, and while I believe Justin even if we dissect the arguments on a microscopic level, what's just as important is I believe Justin when it comes to the big picture.

Justin did not like her, and felt like he had to appease her every step of the way based on his exchanges with others. He just comes off as so resigned and as someone who wants to get the whole thing over with. He's berated by her husband before they even begin filming but then he can't control himself and wants to ogle her? It's just bizarre.